Excalibur Vs. Almace

I'm sure you mean Atonement.

Errr, yeah sorry, Clearly I play too much blu.

imposhibibble, IMPOSHIBIBBLE

Ze Shoopuf approves. (If I caught that right. Been a while since I played that.

I had played around with my spreadsheet a while ago compareing 99 Almace to 99 Excalibur, after seeing this post I decided to pick it up again and post my resluts.
I used these gear sets

Hands are Crit damage +3%, Sword skill +4. Feet are STR +4 Attack+4. Legs are Crit rate +3%, accuracy +5

these are not the ideal gearsets but they are what i have.
There is no ODD or occasional 2.5% damage in these results btw as im not sure the proc %, also there is no enlight

Vs Fodder no buffs:
Melee DPS- Almace: 51.953 Excal: 54.279
WS damage- Almace: 1573 Excal: 1648
Total DPS- Almace: 93.322 Excal: 99.331
Vs Fodder with berserk:
Melee DPS- Almace: 63.768 Excal: 66.839
WS damage- Almace: 1862 Excal: 2146
Total DPS- Almace: 112.616 Excal: 125.742
Vs Fodder with berserk & Red Curry bun:
Melee DPS- Almace: 71.162 Excal: 70.284
WS damage- Almace: 1978 Excal: 2578
Total DPS- Almace: 122.851 Excal: 141.632

Vs Dynamis DC no buffs:
Melee DPS- Almace: 51.284 Excal: 53.509
WS damage- Almace: 1533 Excal: 1597
Total DPS- Almace: 91.561 Excal: 97.126
Vs Dynamis DC berserk:
Melee DPS- Almace: 62.836 Excal: 65.784
WS damage- Almace: 1812 Excal: 2080
Total DPS- Almace: 110.326 Excal: 122.821
Vs Dynamis DC berserk & RCB:
Melee DPS- Almace: 73.377 Excal: 71.456
WS damage- Almace: 1978 Excal: 2578
Total DPS- Almace: 123.998 Excal: 142.735

Vs Bukhis (but not in abyssea) with only aggressor:
Melee DPS- Almace: 34.524 Excal: 35.795
WS damage- Almace: 1191 Excal: 1081
Total DPS- Almace: 66.125 Excal: 65.352
Vs Bukhis (but not in abyssea) with berserk:
Melee DPS- Almace: 42.824 Excal: 44.641
WS damage- Almace: 1406 Excal: 1446
Total DPS- Almace: 80.001 Excal: 84.362
Vs Bukhis (but not in abyssea) with berserk & RCB:
Melee DPS- Almace: 52.562 Excal: 54.375
WS damage- Almace: 1628 Excal: 1808
Total DPS- Almace: 95.439 Excal: 104.122

Vs Pil with aggressor and stalwarts:
Melee DPS- Almace: 28.460 Excal: 30.263
WS damage- Almace: 1044 Excal: 878
Total DPS- Almace: 56.264 Excal: 54.207
Vs Pil with aggressor, stalwarts and berserk:
Melee DPS- Almace: 36.648 Excal: 38.994
WS damage- Almace: 1257 Excal: 1242
Total DPS- Almace: 69.963 Excal: 73.006
Vs Pil with aggressor, stalwarts, berserk & RCB:
Melee DPS- Almace: 46.174 Excal: 47.717
WS damage- Almace: 1486 Excal: 1600
Total DPS- Almace: 85.424 Excal: 91.764

Vs Qilin with aggressor and stalwarts:
Melee DPS- Almace: 27.479 Excal: 29.865
WS damage- Almace: 1039 Excal: 875
Total DPS- Almace: 55.179 Excal: 53.279
Vs Qilin with aggressor, stalwarts and berserk:
Melee DPS- Almace: 35.555 Excal: 38.481
WS damage- Almace: 1250 Excal: 1237
Total DPS- Almace: 68.739 Excal: 72.436
Vs Qilin with aggressor, stalwarts, berserk & RCB:
Melee DPS- Almace: 44.344 Excal: 46.439
WS damage- Almace: 1477 Excal: 1581
Total DPS- Almace: 83.420 Excal: 90.052

So it seems the more attack buffs you have the more excalibur with rquiescat becomes better than almace.

If anyone would like to look over my speadsheet i have uploaded it http://wikisend.com/download/344064/PLD%20almace%20vs%20excal%2099.xls

Most people don't even have 99 almace, everyone discussing here only has 90 and below. If you think 90 or 85 Almace beats 99 Excal thats a problem...99 maybe..go do some chants on Odin 2 and resos as well and post them for me.

But it looks like almace still wins in lolabyssea

Its quite fair to compare a 99 almace to a 99 excal considering they both cost the same amount of gil to make (give or take a few mil)

Anyway Kocvict i am still waiting for you to explain what you use instead of PLD for holding mobs in legion...

Trusting anyone on the basis of what they do or do not have is a problem in and of itself.

almace is only worth using if you can spam cdc like in vw or in aby with atma. PLD shouldnt be subbing WAR for anything anymore anyway.
/RDM mostly or /DNC for erase. PLD/RDM With RCB will do more with excal then almace. And not many ppl are gonna dump 200M into 99ing almace. So commonly were looking at Excal 95~99 vs Almace 85~90 and excalibur is way better on relevant content since you should have both shields and not have anyone giving you buffs outside brava in legion and you shouldnt be meleeing in there anyway.

You just highlighted exactly why Almace is the better choice.

Excalibur is better when meleeing is pointless.

The real answer is that BLU is the only sword job that matters, and BLU can't use Excalibur.

What?

Sums up everythang

no i just highlighted that pld isnt used/needed outside legion at the moment bar soloing. And in legion your not supposed to be feeding tp bc regardless of w/e weapon you use your dmg is garbage in there. If your on last mob i guess you could swat at it but excalibur still better since it doesnt rely on AM for dmg x2.5/add effect.

Its in english sir, dont know how better to explain it.

LOL thats why there is this Remedy and these Panacea

i think whats trying to be said is.....

for survivability where dmg wont matter anyways /dnc or /rdm are better options

However anywhere dmg matters ofc /war is the better choice

idk why this threads been made tbh - this questions been asked and answered before if your serious get both an Almace and Excal (and then even a Burtang..) its all situational

Just be sure to get some nice attack buffs if your going to be spamming Req or its going to be a pretty flat WS

Thinking more constant attacks hitting harder and faster build enmity. Maybe I am wrong and need to go back to Paladin school. You know and Tranquil heart works wonders for Cure 4 and keeping hate I hear. BLATENT SARCASM

/war for hitting more constant and harder .. yes.

But if other DD going to town on mobs your not going to really hold hate worth a damn anyways - unless shits got crazy DT and your actually having to use cure cheats etc ...

but lets not derail this pointless thread by talking to much about the outdated emnity system

There is an actual [/sarcasm] tag for these forums :P. I just learned of it recently myself hehe.

Pretty sure the main reason to use PLD now is voidwatch (Morta/Bismarck) and Legion, hateless supertanking, enmity and damage have no use here. In legion, half of the time i wouldn't even bother tanking, kiting is just so much easier when your likely to not have buffs shared by the DDs nor a healer. The damage is relevant on the first wave if you have buffs, but why gear for the first wave and sub war and gimp yourself the rest of the run?

Tranquil Heart is pretty meaningless without high healing skill

And if you're looking for the most defensive subjob, you want /SCH or /BLU

Unless im holding more than 1 mob or im kiteing in mul i allways TP mobs and get them down around 10% before the DD's move in. PLD could solo most of the tier 1 and tier 2 mobs if given enough time. if your damage sucks its probably due to accuracy.

I have 85 Almace and 95 Excal. Here's my $0.02:

My experience thus far is that Almace is an abyssea weapon, and Excal is for everything else. There's definitely exceptions to this both ways (i.e. any NM I'm soloing that has a TP reset move like Amhuluk I'm more likely to use Excal, even if abyssea). That said I'm also using excal more and more full-time, even in abyssea.

The biggest difference for me is the addl. effect on excal, it really makes a difference. To contrast that, the lack of viable enlight on excalibur is discouraging though - Almace has that going for it.

The +atk from excal doesnt work offhand.

I don't see how /DNC stands to benefit PLD, either. You gain no practical durability, lose damage output, and lose proc options

And Excalibur is never better in Abyssea, nor is it going to be better in Voidwatch very often. The only place Excalibur has a chance of being consistently better is when your crit rate is reduced, which incidentaly are not fights where the PLD's contributions matter

The only proc you are going to be losing out on from /war to /dnc is SoD provided you have ark scythe. With /dnc you gain access to cyclone and energy drain. Pld on its own gets club staff polearm sword GS.

Interesting... I simply haven't done proper testing/parsing but it does seem like it does consistently more damage than using swords with near damage as 95 with no attack attribute. Probably just coincidence since it's so infrequent I would DW on pld anyways... thanks for the tip.