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By Voren 2013-08-31 03:20:58  
I have Hecatomb Mittens +1 augmented with crit dmg +2% aug (trying for more) and Byakko's Haidate with +4% crit dmg aug. Are these pieces still viable for mighty strikes weapons skills in relation to other gear available?
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-09-02 18:43:36  
in terms of takeing less dmg would cizin mail work better then mekira toshugai? Less pdt but almsot double the defence and higher vit. (Assuming cizin was augmented with atleast pdt-3%)
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-09-02 19:39:26  
Odin.Godofgods said: »
in terms of takeing less dmg would cizin mail work better then mekira toshugai? Less pdt but almsot double the defence and higher vit. (Assuming cizin was augmented with atleast pdt-3%)

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With a follow up post.

Nothing of individual pieces, but you can put both pieces into your -DT set and figure out which is best for you.
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By Voren 2013-09-03 01:55:28  
From what I'm reading Cizin Mail would give 12.5-18.75% PDT reduction whereas Mekira Toshugai would give 14.5-18.25% PDT reduction.

Personally, seeing as it appears to be, if my math is correct (if not please correct) negligable I'd opt for using Cizin over Mekira unless it's the Mekira Meikogai in which case you could save an inventory spot and macro that in for both MDT and PDT reductions.
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By Bismarck.Flipmode 2013-09-03 05:46:07  
Voren said: »
From what I'm reading Cizin Mail would give 12.5-18.75% PDT reduction whereas Mekira Toshugai would give 14.5-18.25% PDT reduction.

Personally, seeing as it appears to be, if my math is correct (if not please correct) negligable I'd opt for using Cizin over Mekira unless it's the Mekira Meikogai in which case you could save an inventory spot and macro that in for both MDT and PDT reductions.
So what your telling me is i can stop /wrists @ kaggen and use my cizin mail in my DT- macro?
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2013-09-03 06:04:41  
Hey guys rookie question here. I am coming back to t game but I need to know should I buy razorfury or go with sanbaak for my WAR?
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By Bismarck.Altar 2013-09-03 06:23:22  
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Hey guys rookie question here. I am coming back to t game but I need to know should I buy razorfury or go with sanbaak for my WAR?
War can't use senbaak
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By Cajj 2013-09-03 06:37:49  
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Hey guys rookie question here. I am coming back to t game but I need to know should I buy razorfury or go with sanbaak for my WAR?
War can't use senbaak
and just to make it clear WAR can't equip any of the new Gswrds added since Adoulin (just getting that out of the way).
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By Voren 2013-09-03 06:44:40  
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Voren said: »
From what I'm reading Cizin Mail would give 12.5-18.75% PDT reduction whereas Mekira Toshugai would give 14.5-18.25% PDT reduction.

Personally, seeing as it appears to be, if my math is correct (if not please correct) negligable I'd opt for using Cizin over Mekira unless it's the Mekira Meikogai in which case you could save an inventory spot and macro that in for both MDT and PDT reductions.
So what your telling me is i can stop /wrists @ kaggen and use my cizin mail in my DT- macro?

Never said DT, I was answering in relation to PDT. If you can get a Meikogai then do so. That would be used for both MDT and PDT.
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By Bismarck.Flipmode 2013-09-03 06:45:55  
Back to kaggen i go.... fml
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2013-09-03 06:46:23  
Well Razorfury it is. Thank you for the info.
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By Voren 2013-09-03 07:06:46  
To me a Razorfury is epeen and expensive, well for some anyways.

You might look into This as an option. It would allow for a solid 5-hit build rather easily.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2013-09-03 07:58:11  
Looks good Vor. Thank you.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-09-03 08:24:49  
Bismarck.Flipmode said: »
Back to kaggen i go.... fml


With VW being 99.9% dead except Cinder mobs I'd recommend either getting Laeradr items (Odin2 is a joke now) or just using Cizin mail and swapping other slots for -mdt.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2013-09-03 08:30:00  
could probably 3man kaggen DD/WHM/BLM lul
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By Bismarck.Flipmode 2013-09-03 08:41:28  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bismarck.Flipmode said: »
Back to kaggen i go.... fml


With VW being 99.9% dead except Cinder mobs I'd recommend either getting Laeradr items (Odin2 is a joke now) or just using Cizin mail and swapping other slots for -mdt.
can odin V2 be low manned now? havent kept up with it much
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-09-03 09:13:40  
Bismarck.Flipmode said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bismarck.Flipmode said: »
Back to kaggen i go.... fml


With VW being 99.9% dead except Cinder mobs I'd recommend either getting Laeradr items (Odin2 is a joke now) or just using Cizin mail and swapping other slots for -mdt.
can odin V2 be low manned now? havent kept up with it much


Easy with 8. Haven't tried it with less.


Kaggen can probably be Trioed (you'd want more for procs) but the potential brain damage of going 0/300 isn't worth it.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2013-09-03 09:31:08  
Voren said: »
To me a Razorfury is epeen and expensive, well for some anyways.

You might look into This as an option. It would allow for a solid 5-hit build rather easily.

I wouldn't call it epeen. It's easily the best weapon option, not just a show off piece. And it's fairly easy to 5 hit as well with cizin gear. ~10m isn't that expensive is it?

As for DT Bodies, Mekira cells can be purchased if you can't get one to drop. I wouldn't bother low manning it, simply because you'd want procs for lights. People still do vw for hmp (and merits!)
Haven't done odin v2 in a long while, but I think you might want a ninja or 2 for 10k needles?
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-09-03 11:45:25  
Cajj said: »
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »
Hey guys rookie question here. I am coming back to t game but I need to know should I buy razorfury or go with sanbaak for my WAR?
War can't use senbaak
and just to make it clear WAR can't equip any of the new Gswrds added since Adoulin (just getting that out of the way).

WAR can use Hatzoaar Sword. Kinda nitpicking, and irrelevant, I know. -.-
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By Voren 2013-09-04 00:02:35  
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Voren said: »
To me a Razorfury is epeen and expensive, well for some anyways.

You might look into This as an option. It would allow for a solid 5-hit build rather easily.

I wouldn't call it epeen. It's easily the best weapon option, not just a show off piece. And it's fairly easy to 5 hit as well with cizin gear. ~10m isn't that expensive is it?

Yeah, 10mil+ is expensive. I call it epeen because the difference between Razor and Ixtab is small enough to not want to drop a 10mil+ nut getting razor.

15dmg and 27 GA/parry skill. Ixtab has 8stp, 5str, and 5 vit over Razor. Cizin only comes with a native 5stp on the entire set (is there an stp aug?), so you'd need other pieces. Ixtab allows you to use more multi hit gear over what razor would allow for.

I won't argue which would win out in DPS, I think we can safely assume razor would, but I would bet it's not by a whole hell of a lot.
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By Kyler 2013-09-04 00:51:40  
If you have ixtab then that's great, maybe a Razorfury is not your first purchase in improving your war. But it is an improvement. If you don't have one, good luck getting one because WKR is the new VW. It would probably take you longer to farm up the bayld(for however many times you need to kill it) and wait for a group to kill it (during whatever times you play) than it would to farm up gil for razorfury
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By Tickmeoff 2013-09-04 00:58:57  
Here on Valefor, there have been 0 Razorfury's sold ever. Surprisingly, there's actually one in stock right now.

Farming up some bayld and taking Ixtab as your reward from the library is a much more viable option. Maybe other servers are different in this regard.
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By Voren 2013-09-04 01:05:52  
Tickmeoff said: »
Here on Valefor, there have been 0 Razorfury's sold ever. Surprisingly, there's actually one in stock right now.

Farming up some bayld and taking Ixtab as your reward from the library is a much more viable option. Maybe other servers are different in this regard.

^This.

I wasn't arguing which weapon would win in dps, but rather arguing the rational behind popping 10mil+ on a weapon that marginally beats another which can be obtained for free.

Also, I can farm 50k bayld in about 10 skirmish runs to buy the wkr ki which would take 5 hours. If you can farm 10mil+ gil in 5 hrs, please share with us how.

Edit: forgot it takes multiple ki to get to the last boss. 300k bayld total for an ixtab is still easier to farm than 10+mil unless you craft.
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-09-04 05:42:26  
The library quest is a good option for now, you may still not see the Ixtab as a WKR reward in that 300k+ bayld. 10+ Mil isn't exactly a small amount for everyone, and it's going to be a little more on some servers. That said, you should be working towards a Razorfury. Another option is to farm something like the ormolu and buy the tooth and tip a crafter. Saves some gil in the process. /shrug.
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By Carbuncle.Anesthesia 2013-09-04 05:44:03  
Depends on what you mean by "A lot." 14 base damage and 27 GA skill isn't exactly an infinitesimal margin. To put it in perspective, there were plenty of players (including me) willing to spend ~210 mil on a 25 base damage difference between ukon 90 and ukon 99. Next to that, 10 mil for 14 damage and 27 GA skill seems like a bargain.

Voren said: »
Also, I can farm 50k bayld in about 10 skirmish runs to buy the wkr ki which would take 5 hours. If you can farm 10mil+ gil in 5 hrs, please share with us how.

While it's not the exact same, "fishing" 10 mil worth of haks is going to take you mabye 1-2 hours of total at the keyboard time. I'd certainly rather do that than go get 300k bayld.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-09-05 08:37:21  
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »
While it's not the exact same, "fishing" 10 mil worth of haks is going to take you mabye 1-2 hours of total at the keyboard time. I'd certainly rather do that than go get 300k bayld.

1000 fish in 1-2 hours time? ... ... ...
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By Valefor.Psykopat 2013-09-05 08:40:04  
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »
While it's not the exact same, "fishing" 10 mil worth of haks is going to take you mabye 1-2 hours of total at the keyboard time. I'd certainly rather do that than go get 300k bayld.

1000 fish in 1-2 hours time? ... ... ...

Fish Bot >.> Like 99.99% of ppl you can find in Beaucedine Glacier. He said keyboard time, not actual play time.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-09-05 10:12:09  
Valefor.Psykopat said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »
While it's not the exact same, "fishing" 10 mil worth of haks is going to take you mabye 1-2 hours of total at the keyboard time. I'd certainly rather do that than go get 300k bayld.
1000 fish in 1-2 hours time? ... ... ...
Fish Bot >.> Like 99.99% of ppl you can find in Beaucedine Glacier. He said keyboard time, not actual play time.

so his argument was 'you can do it faster if you cheat' ... briliant...
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By Bismarck.Altar 2013-09-05 10:56:43  
I think the minimum (would be higher depending on buffs) difference between the best Ixtab set I could put together and the current ideal Razorfury is about 4-5%, based on Motentens spreadsheets. I might have missed a few gear choices/made mistakes as I put it together pretty fast.
I guess it depends on your definition of marginal/small.
I know that the person who was being advised here was a main war that made a 99 Ukon in the past, so I think he might want the best in slot.
The other thing that nobody's mentioned is that the library quest (afaik) isn't repeatable, so picking Ixtab prevents you from picking one of the other gear choices.
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By Valefor.Psykopat 2013-09-05 11:42:03  
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Valefor.Psykopat said: »
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »
While it's not the exact same, "fishing" 10 mil worth of haks is going to take you mabye 1-2 hours of total at the keyboard time. I'd certainly rather do that than go get 300k bayld.
1000 fish in 1-2 hours time? ... ... ...
Fish Bot >.> Like 99.99% of ppl you can find in Beaucedine Glacier. He said keyboard time, not actual play time.

so his argument was 'you can do it faster if you cheat' ... briliant...

Pretty much... And they usually tell you "gil is easy to get" ^^
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