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 Ragnarok.Neraya
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By Ragnarok.Neraya 2013-08-09 07:52:54  
I'm playing with Montenten spreadsheet right now and I found something sad.
If you can't afford the time and gils to get an Armaberk full augmented and the gears that support it for TP Set, the ugly Karieyh Haubert seems to win in too many situation ... (and the upcoming Cizin's set helps it even more)

Please prove me wrong !
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-08-09 20:51:13  
I would just use AF3+2 body instead of Armada if I didn't have it. WAR's AF3 set has had some pretty impressive longevity. We haven't seen boss level body armor yet so it shouldn't be long before we see a statgasmic body. Then again, folks have been saying similar things for 6+ years now.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-08-09 21:59:41  
Ragnarok.Neraya said: »
I'm playing with Montenten spreadsheet right now and I found something sad.
If you can't afford the time and gils to get an Armaberk full augmented and the gears that support it for TP Set, the ugly Karieyh Haubert seems to win in too many situation ... (and the upcoming Cizin's set helps it even more)

Please prove me wrong !
I hope you are right. This is what I've been using to TP in even though it looks ugly and I'm frowned upon for using it.
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By Cajj 2013-08-10 05:27:35  
I'm hoping the Cizin set has a sTP and Haste path so you can build a Tp set from the ground up :D
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By Odin.Clubber 2013-08-11 16:50:46  
Since our Tojil runs are under 30minutes now and some of the weapons got a major buff, I've been experimenting a little with DW WAR/NIN for delve. I didn't really put much work into it yet, but here is the TP set I'm using:
ItemSet 310705

WS set:
ItemSet 310706

all augments are STR path and ionis should cap your gear haste.
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-08-11 17:15:20  
K.
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By Shiva.Tedril 2013-08-11 17:26:28  
Odin.Clubber said: »
Since our Tojil runs are under 30minutes now and some of the weapons got a major buff, I've been experimenting a little with DW WAR/NIN for delve. I didn't really put much work into it yet, but here is the TP set I'm using:
ItemSet 310705

WS set:
ItemSet 310706

all augments are STR path and ionis should cap your gear haste.
That's pretty cool! I'd be interested to see comparisons.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-11 17:39:35  
Without the advantage of 2 handed calculations and lower skill, how is your accuracy?
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By Cerberus.Diabolique 2013-08-11 17:42:06  
Isn't it the same calculation for everyone now(with mainhand)?
Only 7 skill difference between Gaxe and Axe assuming neither had merits put in to it.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-11 17:44:15  
Cerberus.Diabolique said: »
Isn't it the same calculation for everyone now(with mainhand)?
Only 7 skill difference between Gaxe and Axe assuming neither had merits put in to it.

I was under the impression that the actual ratio wasn't changed, only the cap. And I was referring to the B sword skill.
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2013-08-13 16:58:20  
soil belt or caudata belt for fc ?

this guede has no gearset for fc ?
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-08-13 17:26:35  
Most people I know used elemental, but in any situation where you're actually fell cleaving (mostly abby) it hardly matters what's optimal.
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By Phoenix.Oreius 2013-08-13 18:07:51  
Looks like I have alot of work when I'm back stateside.... this guide is extremely helpful, thanks!
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-08-13 18:52:13  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Cerberus.Diabolique said: »
Isn't it the same calculation for everyone now(with mainhand)?
Only 7 skill difference between Gaxe and Axe assuming neither had merits put in to it.

I was under the impression that the actual ratio wasn't changed, only the cap. And I was referring to the B sword skill.

<.<

1H and 2H accuracy is calculated ~exactly~ the same way now at 4:3. The only difference is off hand attack is using the 2:1 ratio instead of the 4:3 ratio.

Whats going to be hurting the setup isn't the B skill, its the differences in item level between the two weapons. 26 accuracy from skill (-5 from suppa) is nothing compared to what you lose between the two weapons. In the end it means his TP set still has to include some more accuracy then normal, thankfully all the current gear has a metric f*ck ton of DEX and accuracy on it. At worst he's looking at Pizza+1 during MB fight or getting hunters from the COR or a Madrigal from the BRD.
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By charlo999 2013-08-13 19:41:33  
Fatality Belt 2% crit damage any good for MS sets?
Dunno if it got over looked.
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By Cajj 2013-08-20 21:40:47  
So after getting Cizin Mail+Mufflers I decided to full time it to maintain my 5 hit with Ixtab vs ebody + miki hands/rvg+2(restraint up).How is it looking overall on the spreadsheet? I'm at work all night and was just curious.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/311442
ItemSet 311442
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2013-08-21 02:17:07  
Cajj said: »
So after getting Cizin Mail+Mufflers I decided to full time it to maintain my 5 hit with Ixtab vs ebody + miki hands/rvg+2(restraint up).How is it looking overall on the spreadsheet? I'm at work all night and was just curious.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/311442
ItemSet 311442


25% haste without the belt
might wanna change it to wind buffet
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2013-08-21 11:24:12  
How much STP are you WSing in? Haven't paid much attention (busy enjoying tier I nuke spam while its fun) to WS returns with current WS gear, but with (IIRC) +14 from Ixtab, Brutal, and boots, you still needed 32 STP in TPing gear, if all 4 hits from Upheaval landed, right? Simple change of Tyrant to Tojil ring would fix that, if thats the case.
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By Leviathan.Blackwhirlwind 2013-08-22 01:52:36  
With the new Cizin set it is demanded to use, gear that doesn't have a item on it will get you killed fast, check without gear equipped before engaging a mob then put it on. On a side note plasm armor will become dex path because of how much strength this set has. I tped in body, hands, ands legs cant part with af3 feet yet hopefully there's a chance to get crit hit damage on feet or extra haste augment. All my pieces equipped have 5-7 accuracy and 3-4 pdt on each.
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By Sylph.Scare 2013-08-22 03:25:02  
ItemSet 311573

I haven't been able to beat this set yet w/o adding duplus/Hugin feet/mauler's mantle which I don't have. Restraint down and not factoring in possible DA on hands slot. Thoughts?
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By Voren 2013-08-24 00:57:43  
I'm at 3/5 Cizin, need head and body. With that, is there any point to getting Mikinaak gear?

I can see something behind still using E.Body, and even Porthos (if I ever get either), but is Mikinaak now out classed even fully upgraded?
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By Cajj 2013-08-25 02:49:40  
any way to equip cizin greaves(pants) and cizin greaves(feet) in the same macro?
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By Voren 2013-08-25 02:53:43  
Cajj said: »
any way to equip cizin greaves(pants) and cizin greaves(feet) in the same macro?

/equip feet "cizin greaves"

/equip legs "cizin greaves"

They should equip the appropriate item considering it reads placement and then item name.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-08-26 08:35:47  
New Hybrid set I've been using.

2020hp (before buffs) -50pdt 26% haste +18da

ItemSet 311905
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2013-08-26 10:22:53  
Is none of the new Cizin gear incorporated in regular TP phase?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-08-26 10:51:22  
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Is none of the new Cizin gear incorporated in regular TP phase?


I use hands and legs (restraint down)


ItemSet 307992
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By Siren.Vanian 2013-08-27 17:59:07  
Is there an updated pdt set?
I'm assuming with the def and augmented pdt cizin would be best in slot for most pieces, but is there a certain amount of pdt you need on a piece before its better than any older gear?
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By Odin.Sheelay 2013-08-27 19:48:37  
Siren.Vanian said: »
Is there an updated pdt set?
I'm assuming with the def and augmented pdt cizin would be best in slot for most pieces, but is there a certain amount of pdt you need on a piece before its better than any older gear?

Iirc, Pdt alone doesn't necessarily make one piece better than another.
Also base DEF and VIT stats on a piece can make a difference. But here's a free bump to your question.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-08-28 08:24:38  
Siren.Vanian said: »
Is there an updated pdt set?
I'm assuming with the def and augmented pdt cizin would be best in slot for most pieces, but is there a certain amount of pdt you need on a piece before its better than any older gear?


Look up a few post. Not sure what more you'd want from a PDT set, unless you wanted to drop somce haste in favor of Shadow Mantle/Nocturnus helm.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-08-30 15:49:37  
I'm curious since i don't play war. With the skirmish Cizin set and a Razorfury weapon, would a fell cleave kill mandies in a single shot now? I was a blu in those times, and it suxed when they implemented the 'no credit for more then 10 kills from a single action'. Just wondering if war is getting close to that now with all the adulin gear.
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