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By Cerberus.Tikal 2023-05-24 11:49:44  
Took Lehko's, thinking something like this:

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Gerdr +1 is also an option but will be 99% DA if my math is right, unless you have a Boii +2 earring.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-05-24 12:25:02  
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Took Lehko's, thinking something like this:

ItemSet 391359

Gerdr +1 is also an option but will be 99% DA if my math is right, unless you have a Boii +2 earring.


Looks good, pretty close to what I'm using currently but haven't rebuilt a 100% DA/TP set yet.

I know I'll catch hell for this, but I'm going to run this set for Ukon AM3 for awhile and see how it fares:
Edit - Lehko's in ring2.

ItemSet 389371

Stats
Haste: 33/26
STP: +42
DA: 65% (3 merits)
Crit Rate: 62%
Crit DMG: 19%
Acc: 1305
Att: 1852
-PDT: 48/50
-MDT: 38/50
-DT: 38/50
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2023-05-24 12:26:39  
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Looks good, pretty close to what I'm using currently but haven't rebuilt a 100% DA/TP set yet.

I know I'll catch hell for this, but I'm going to run this set for Ukon AM3 for awhile and see how it fares:
Edit - Lehko's in ring2.

ItemSet 389371
I don't mind it but too squish for my taste. I'm already reluctant proposing the above set due to the losses in m.eva, defense, and status ailment resistance.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-05-24 12:29:47  
I know, and I don't remember who posted it, but they made a good point that MEVA resisting even a single paralyze is probably more of a DPS gain than any pushing for hyper-aggressive builds, which I can accept at face value.

With that said, I need those big white numbers to get that dopamine hit. I've got my 4/5 and 5/5 sakpata builds if I need them, but where I can get away with it, I like to live a little dangerously.
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By SimonSes 2023-05-24 13:03:24  
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
I know, and I don't remember who posted it, but they made a good point that MEVA resisting even a single paralyze is probably more of a DPS gain than any pushing for hyper-aggressive builds, which I can accept at face value.

Probably me.

Also
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It's probably the highest white damage build possible right now. Outside of maybe fully stacked armageddon hover shot RNG or full potency Scarlet Delirium Redemption DRK.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-05-24 13:05:34  
SimonSes said: »
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
I know, and I don't remember who posted it, but they made a good point that MEVA resisting even a single paralyze is probably more of a DPS gain than any pushing for hyper-aggressive builds, which I can accept at face value.

Probably me.

Also
ItemSet 387471

Sounds like something you'd say :P
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By Bahamut.Omegus 2023-05-25 05:46:15  
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If you're lucky enough to have +2 earring, this set would get to 100% DA without need for merits so you can focus berserk/warcry recasts.
You can use gerdr if you want i just threw in windbuffet since i dropped niqmaddu.
If you decide to make the prime great axe just swap cape for STP

Alternatively
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By DaneBlood 2023-06-14 08:57:12  
I am looking for a good set for Impulse Drive ( or is there a better WS to use with shining one on war?)
Tried looking a handful of pages back but could not find it.

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By Taint 2023-07-07 09:50:16  
Club and Sword is all you need in Odyssey. Sub /DRG and go to town.
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By Odin.Kingofthenorth 2023-10-04 14:32:03  
Anyone have the prime GS?
What would be the best tp to ws if anyone has tested for best results?
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By Felgarr 2023-10-23 12:53:17  
Is this page correct? It basically says that no Great Axe WSes have any FTP replication across their hits.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:FTP_Replicating_WS

Also, what does the latest upheaval set look like? I initially was rationalizing that Fotia / multiattack would be good, but I'm not sure what is correct (WSD vs Multiattack)
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By Nariont 2023-10-23 12:58:16  
That's correct, GA is one of the few weapon types that doesnt have any replicating ftp WS'(think the only other was staff?), as such they all follow a heavy WSD set, heavy multi-attack is favorable when below 2k TP but especially when using chango or the ambu Gaxe firing a WS off before 2k isnt very common

Guess ill add that raging rush would benefit more from DA too, though im not too sure when its used if at all these days
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2023-10-24 09:15:24  
When you 100% DA on WSs does it add 2 double attack procs on a 1 hit WS? or does the WS have to have at least 2 hits to get both procs?
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By Taint 2023-10-24 09:16:13  
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
When you 100% DA on WSs does it add 2 double attack procs on a 1 hit WS? or does the WS have to have at least 2 hits to get both procs?


Needs 2+ hits.
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By Fenrir.Ahlen 2023-10-24 10:56:23  
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
When you 100% DA on WSs does it add 2 double attack procs on a 1 hit WS? or does the WS have to have at least 2 hits to get both procs?
Double attack can increase the number of hits by 1. If you are dual wielding then it can add 2 but there is a check for each hand (this also applies to WS). Some WS extra hits don't help much some do.
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By Lili 2023-10-24 10:59:46  
Fenrir.Ahlen said: »
If you are dual wielding

WAR should really be able to dual wield Great Axes btw. I see absolutely no reason why it shouldn't!

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By Phoenix.Iocus 2023-10-30 20:50:39  
I am looking at this set for Resolution with Helheim to avoid getting walled.

104 DA so 5 > 7 hits if you don't miss.

ItemSet 393501

Please critique or add improvements. I'm newb on WAR. Any suggestions on a Mighty Strikes set for Reso and Fimbulvetr
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-10-30 21:50:51  
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
I am looking at this set for Resolution with Helheim to avoid getting walled.

104 DA so 5 > 7 hits if you don't miss.

ItemSet 393501

Please critique or add improvements. I'm newb on WAR. Any suggestions on a Mighty Strikes set for Reso and Fimbulvetr

Gut check wants head swapped for Sakpata for the 15% DA damage. Ran it through Kastra's python tool and it shows lower overall wsd than boii head (which I find a little sus). Assuming through merits or Gyudon you still maintained your 104 DA, I can't see how empy head outperforms Sakpata head outside of set bonus procs.

Rest of it looks pretty solid though, would definitely try it out. /DRG or /SAM?

Edit: Might consider swapping Sailfi for Fotia and use Gyudon to compensate the DA, considering Reso is replicating ftp
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-10-30 21:52:44  
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
I am looking at this set for Resolution with Helheim to avoid getting walled.

104 DA so 5 > 7 hits if you don't miss.

ItemSet 393501

Please critique or add improvements. I'm newb on WAR. Any suggestions on a Mighty Strikes set for Reso and Fimbulvetr

Gut check wants head swapped for Sakpata for the 15% DA damage. Ran it through Kastra's python tool and it shows lower overall wsd than boii head (which I find a little sus). Assuming through merits or Gyudon you still maintained your 104 DA, I can't see how empy head outperforms Sakpata head outside of set bonus procs.

Rest of it looks pretty solid though, would definitely try it out. /DRG or /SAM?

DA Damage doesn't apply during WS's, only melee rounds that proc a DA.
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-10-30 21:55:34  
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DA Damage doesn't apply during WS's, only melee rounds that proc a DA.

Sup Saevel. Seems like I should know that, haha. I stand corrected, Kasha's tool is still smarter than me.

Edit: Rerunning with Gyudon and Fotia, comes out slightly ahead of Sailfi.
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2023-10-30 22:48:27  
Boii +3 feet and Yetshila +1 for mighty strikes, crit damage boost carries across all hits and adds up nicely imo. If used in conjunction with Brazen Rush you can afford to lose the double attack from feet and ammo. Otherwise I use a similar set, except I prefer Schere earring (r30) with the str+ att+ acc+ and near same double attack and Sakpata feet (r25, nice att+, still some DA, more STR+). Fotia pieces if I am confident on pdif. But I am not usually running around sortie with a geo so that's hit or miss. My set does not have as high double attack as your set listed, but with resolution receiving an attack modifier of less than 1, I value att+ and STR+ a lot as well.

My two cents anyhow, hope that helps you with your decision.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2023-10-31 07:41:04  
Gyudon is accessible and a great suggestion. Thank you
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2023-10-31 10:12:49  
I have question about the wsd+ from gyudon. Does it behave like dragoon trait and apply to all hits of a ws?
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By Taint 2023-10-31 10:38:29  
Dragoon trait applies to all hits.

I have never used the food but I'm highly confident its first hit only.
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2023-10-31 10:42:50  
yeah, I was aware about drg trait and how it functioned. Just wasn't sure if anyone had any knowledge of the food and whether it applied to first hit like gear or all hits like trait. Thanks though ^^.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-10-31 16:36:40  
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
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DA Damage doesn't apply during WS's, only melee rounds that proc a DA.

Sup Saevel. Seems like I should know that, haha. I stand corrected, Kasha's tool is still smarter than me.

Edit: Rerunning with Gyudon and Fotia, comes out slightly ahead of Sailfi.

Fotia should win most of the time with Resolution, except maybe at extremely high TP values. It's +0.0976 (100/1024) fTP on each hit, which is about ~6.5% increase at 2K TP and ~4.3% at capped TP. Food wise, I've become addicted to Omelette sandwich due to the whole Not Dieing thing. If that part is covered and you don't have to worry about taking hits, then Gyudon is probably the best or one of the best DPS foods due to +Attack not being worth a damn. Carbonara is also really good due to the +Store TP.

:Edit:
I was thinking, some folks might not know about how the +Attack on food stacks. In FFXI, stacking is usually (Base + Additive Bonus) * Multiplicative Bonus's, with each type being a different multiplier. It's why +Attack from Bards is so amazing, it gets applied before all the other percentile bonus's like Fury / Chaos / Smite / Berserk / etc. Food is the exception, it gets applied last. +80 Attack from food on something with 5000 attack puts them at 5080 attack, not very helpful.
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By Asura.Vyre 2023-10-31 17:11:03  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
DA Damage doesn't apply during WS's, only melee rounds that proc a DA.

Sup Saevel. Seems like I should know that, haha. I stand corrected, Kasha's tool is still smarter than me.

Edit: Rerunning with Gyudon and Fotia, comes out slightly ahead of Sailfi.

Fotia should win most of the time with Resolution, except maybe at extremely high TP values. It's +0.0976 (100/1024) fTP on each hit, which is about ~6.5% increase at 2K TP and ~4.3% at capped TP. Food wise, I've become addicted to Omelette sandwich due to the whole Not Dieing thing. If that part is covered and you don't have to worry about taking hits, then Gyudon is probably the best or one of the best DPS foods due to +Attack not being worth a damn. Carbonara is also really good due to the +Store TP.

:Edit:
I was thinking, some folks might not know about how the +Attack on food stacks. In FFXI, stacking is usually (Base + Additive Bonus) * Multiplicative Bonus's, with each type being a different multiplier. It's why +Attack from Bards is so amazing, it gets applied before all the other percentile bonus's like Fury / Chaos / Smite / Berserk / etc. Food is the exception, it gets applied last. +80 Attack from food on something with 5000 attack puts them at 5080 attack, not very helpful.
The better attack foods have +150ish atk(with a little more given the +6~8STR), which for a high buffed 5000atk example would still be +3% atk roughly. They're better in low buff situations, of course. So I wouldn't say not worth a damn.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-10-31 17:42:59  
Asura.Vyre said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
DA Damage doesn't apply during WS's, only melee rounds that proc a DA.

Sup Saevel. Seems like I should know that, haha. I stand corrected, Kasha's tool is still smarter than me.

Edit: Rerunning with Gyudon and Fotia, comes out slightly ahead of Sailfi.

Fotia should win most of the time with Resolution, except maybe at extremely high TP values. It's +0.0976 (100/1024) fTP on each hit, which is about ~6.5% increase at 2K TP and ~4.3% at capped TP. Food wise, I've become addicted to Omelette sandwich due to the whole Not Dieing thing. If that part is covered and you don't have to worry about taking hits, then Gyudon is probably the best or one of the best DPS foods due to +Attack not being worth a damn. Carbonara is also really good due to the +Store TP.

:Edit:
I was thinking, some folks might not know about how the +Attack on food stacks. In FFXI, stacking is usually (Base + Additive Bonus) * Multiplicative Bonus's, with each type being a different multiplier. It's why +Attack from Bards is so amazing, it gets applied before all the other percentile bonus's like Fury / Chaos / Smite / Berserk / etc. Food is the exception, it gets applied last. +80 Attack from food on something with 5000 attack puts them at 5080 attack, not very helpful.
The better attack foods have +150ish atk(with a little more given the +6~8STR), which for a high buffed 5000atk example would still be +3% atk roughly. They're better in low buff situations, of course. So I wouldn't say not worth a damn.

Gyudon should meet or beat that, Carbonara too (6 Store TP). I think there are some other foods with special effects on them that should be worth more then 150 attack. When I say not being worth a damn, I mean vs other options. It's why I switched to using defense food, preventing 1/10 deaths ends up being a better DPS increase then attack food.
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By Asura.Vyre 2023-10-31 18:31:22  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Vyre said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
DA Damage doesn't apply during WS's, only melee rounds that proc a DA.

Sup Saevel. Seems like I should know that, haha. I stand corrected, Kasha's tool is still smarter than me.

Edit: Rerunning with Gyudon and Fotia, comes out slightly ahead of Sailfi.

Fotia should win most of the time with Resolution, except maybe at extremely high TP values. It's +0.0976 (100/1024) fTP on each hit, which is about ~6.5% increase at 2K TP and ~4.3% at capped TP. Food wise, I've become addicted to Omelette sandwich due to the whole Not Dieing thing. If that part is covered and you don't have to worry about taking hits, then Gyudon is probably the best or one of the best DPS foods due to +Attack not being worth a damn. Carbonara is also really good due to the +Store TP.

:Edit:
I was thinking, some folks might not know about how the +Attack on food stacks. In FFXI, stacking is usually (Base + Additive Bonus) * Multiplicative Bonus's, with each type being a different multiplier. It's why +Attack from Bards is so amazing, it gets applied before all the other percentile bonus's like Fury / Chaos / Smite / Berserk / etc. Food is the exception, it gets applied last. +80 Attack from food on something with 5000 attack puts them at 5080 attack, not very helpful.
The better attack foods have +150ish atk(with a little more given the +6~8STR), which for a high buffed 5000atk example would still be +3% atk roughly. They're better in low buff situations, of course. So I wouldn't say not worth a damn.

Gyudon should meet or beat that, Carbonara too (6 Store TP). I think there are some other foods with special effects on them that should be worth more then 150 attack. When I say not being worth a damn, I mean vs other options. It's why I switched to using defense food, preventing 1/10 deaths ends up being a better DPS increase then attack food.
I can see Gyudon's value when you're buffed up.

Foods for bulk are always nice if survivability is a question, though I don't think it's just the raw defense, but the large HP gain from them that's doing more of the heavy lifting. Otherwise, you could just go with Rabbit Pie (100def 5STR/VIT 100atk).

I mean the absolute best ATK food in the game to my knowledge is Behemoth Steak +1. +165atk +8STR/DEX +2% Triple attack. Surely it's nothing to sneeze at.
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