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 Bismarck.Ryugi
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By Bismarck.Ryugi 2023-05-11 23:25:12  
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Boii Hands +3 vs Nyame R25 are:
7 STR, 10 MND, 8 VIT, 2 atk, 22 acc, 2 WSD, VS 4% DA, 7 DT, 30 M.eva.

Also has 31 Axe skill for the 3 people with Farsha out there.

So WS set for Savage prolly looks something like:

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Add Empy +3 Feet and Yetshila +1 for Impulse drive or when MS is up, and swap out rings for Niqmaddu/Gel and Back for VIT back and you're close to BiS for Upheaval too.

Note that pants are 130 TP bonus for Fencer since it still gives you the final tier.

Not sure if or when Boii Earring +2 augs beats thrud.

Is this set good if Nyame is only R20 or is it specific to R25 and should I be using something different?
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By Bismarck.Ryugi 2023-05-11 23:26:00  
Asura.Brennski said: »
This is what I am using for Upheaval at high attack buffs/cap and swapping out Boii legs for Nyame, Sroda for Niq if not at Attack cap.

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Is this set good if Nyame is only R20 or is it specific to R25 and should I be using something different?
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By Asura.Brennski 2023-05-12 08:54:11  
It should be fine at Nyame R20 as well, PDL will have less use if not fully buffed for attack so just swap out the legs for Nyame on harder stuff.
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-12 10:24:17  
what job do you sub as war with sword/shield-fencer build?
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By Bahamut.Belkin 2023-05-12 10:47:26  
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2023-05-18 10:37:51  
DRG for WS dmg, but WAR/PLD is quite fun for fencer build as well.

Being able to pop Berserk/Retaliation/Sentinel allows you to tank a lot of things while holding hate with really nothing more than high damage Savage Blades (you still have voke and flash at your disposal if needed, and shield bash to stun). Kirin/Kouryu, Eriny's, Albumen are just a few things I've tanked as WAR/PLD while also putting out the majority of the damage.

There's also been a few ambuscades where /PLD has been my preferred go to.
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By Zeofromgeo 2023-05-21 13:25:38  
VR rings - Which one do you think will be most beneficial for WAR?

Cornelia's Ring
Weapon Skill Accuracy+10 Weapon Skill damage +10%

Ephramad's Ring
STR+10 DEX+10 AGI+10 Accuracy+20 Attack+20 Ranged Accuracy+20 Ranged Attack+20 Physical damage limit +10%

Fickblix's Ring
"Double Attack"+10 "Subtle Blow"+10 Pet: Accuracy+20 Ranged Accuracy+20 Magic Accuracy+20 Damage+10%

Lehko Habhoka's Ring
DEX+10 "Store TP"+10 Haste+10% Critical hit rate +10%

Right now I'm drawn to the Epramad's Ring. But not settled for sure.
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By Asura.Saevel 2023-05-21 13:38:18  
If they had combined Ephramad's and Fickblix's then I would go with that, as it stands neither is outstanding. Cornelia is an upgrade but not a large amount due to the insane WSD we already have access to, Lehko is looking very interesting though.

I guess it would really depend what you do on WAR. If you are Savage Blade ONRY, then Cornelia. If you explore and use the other WS's then it would depend.
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-21 13:42:31  
I'm not sure what the meta is at the moment been away and catching up.
the Damage +10% on Fickblix has me confused. is that per round, or applies to WS's as well?
probably wrong due to looking at these with 2016/2017 eyes, but my gut says Lehko Habhoka's Ring.
the others have close enough existing contenders like regal ring.
 
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2023-05-21 13:57:14  
Ephramad's just seems like Regal Ring #2 with PDL. I like it, personally, because I love attack, but Lehko's would be very useful for a variety of TP sets. Flickblix's, I don't see opening up too many options on WAR. +10 STP on cape maybe, but the +10 STP off Lehko's also has 10% crit rate, and that's an overall better trade.

I could be wrong though.
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By SimonSes 2023-05-22 02:25:13  
The problem here is unknown factors. How good will be aftermath on Primes and how good will be new song. Most likely song is 12% pdl with +7song and aftermath will probably be at least 10%. So effectiveness of 10% play ring could be amazing or it could have no impact at all, because you might not be able to reach cap with too much pdl from other sources.
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By Dodik 2023-05-22 05:05:50  
And what content that matters can actually make good use of more PDL.

Don't see it being much of benefit in either Odyssey or Sortie. Segment farming, maybe.
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-22 07:43:53  
The haste on the ring is nice by itself. But seeing as they've added PDL+ gear, why not add gear haste cap limit-breaking items? Before someone comes in with a "that would break the game";
ML's breaking through the SJ cap is pretty game-breaking. So was the increase of the level cap from 75 to 99. Job points were game-breaking. game has been broken over and over, again and again.
I'm still in awe of all these 99k jinpus being spammed by bots none-stop in every single ML PT zone.
 
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-22 08:22:21  
kuroki said: »
as haste goes up, dps increases infinitely. you wouldn't just break the game, you'd destroy it :)
Make it so, #1
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By Dodik 2023-05-22 08:58:17  
Unless the upper limit on melee delay reduction is also increased, just adding more gear haste won't do anything.
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-22 09:17:11  
Wouldn't it nake melee less dependent on magic and abilities haete?
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2023-05-22 09:44:24  
Yes it would make it so you could cap delay with a Naegling and not have to make a Prime Weapon.

Instead of giving jobs more itemization flexibility to use low haste gear while TPing, as it was intended to do.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2023-05-22 09:50:56  
Ragnarok.Primex said: »
Wouldn't it nake melee less dependent on magic and abilities haete?

You probably don't know this, but haste cap used to be 92.5% and not 80%. It was completely broken. People were zerging AV at level 75.
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By Dodik 2023-05-22 10:23:43  
Yes, it would mean will need less magic/ja haste to reach cap.

I meant in terms of breaking the game, it would still be subject to the delay reduction limit.
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By Taint 2023-05-22 12:27:54  
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
Ragnarok.Primex said: »
Wouldn't it nake melee less dependent on magic and abilities haete?

You probably don't know this, but haste cap used to be 92.5% and not 80%. It was completely broken. People were zerging AV at level 75.


There was no cap, we could just reach ~93.75%.

Magic 43.75%
Gear 25% (needed Apoc or some GA to cap)
LR 15% (Was the cap back then)
Hasso 10%

Apoc swung so fast that WSing was a DPS loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEFPW-Nuq-I

They capped it at 80% for a reason, going beyond that plus all the MA gear today would be a bit much.
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-22 12:51:32  
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Ragnarok.Primex said: »
Wouldn't it nake melee less dependent on magic and abilities haete?

You probably don't know this, but haste cap used to be 92.5% and not 80%. It was completely broken. People were zerging AV at level 75.
i was an apoc drk in 06. I remember
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2023-05-22 13:37:27  
Ragnarok.Primex said: »
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
Ragnarok.Primex said: »
Wouldn't it nake melee less dependent on magic and abilities haete?

You probably don't know this, but haste cap used to be 92.5% and not 80%. It was completely broken. People were zerging AV at level 75.
i was an apoc drk in 06. I remember

So you know how ridiculously broken it was and you want it back?
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By Ragnarok.Primex 2023-05-22 13:46:26  
want it back? It makes me hard just thinking about it
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By Taint 2023-05-22 15:26:03  
Ragnarok.Primex said: »
want it back? It makes me hard just thinking about it


It was insanely fun, but a lot of that was there were only a few per server and it was Godmode. We were zerging Kirin just by super buffing my DRK. He was dead in under 30 seconds for a fight that took alliances way longer than that.
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By Asura.Nuance 2023-05-22 16:18:48  
Personally think they should lower it even more to encourage more team interaction with skillchains and magic bursting
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By Dodik 2023-05-22 17:26:21  
Yeah bring back afk-ing for 5min until you get TP so you can do a WS then back to afk-ing. That was fun.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2023-05-22 20:34:24  
Going to try and see how Cloudsplitter does on clots in segment farms. What's current build for it these days?
 
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