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By Spaitin 2021-07-06 19:02:19  
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
agree but I would argue that WS results are good provided the assumed conditions are replicated.
Agreed, the biggest mistake i see people make with this is forgetting about tp return and not making adjustments for it.
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
I check TP gear as well but like you said that can go Pear-shaped quite rapidly and sometimes dramatically in the WAR's favor if he/she is holding hate.
also wars low haste can cause issues with the 25% on gear not really being 25%.


sheets are just really clunky and have a lot of places to go wrong. IMO the war sheet needs a lot of review before people should take it serious. I am all for an accurate sheet. I havn't really seen anything to convince me we have one.

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There's kinda 2 schools of thought when it comes to gearing WAR; going capped DA route, or as much Store TP/Triple attack as you can get.
I would like to point out the 100 DA path when going sam/chaos is a huge loss in dps when compared the the 4 hit TP builds available. The 3 hit build with 80%+ DA was WAYYYYYY better than the 4 hit build with 100 DA. Has a massive advantage in WS frequency.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2021-07-08 10:16:12  
Assuming capped attack, does Sakpata's replace all WSD in Upheaval sets now, or do agoge mask and pummeler's lorica still have a place there?
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By Asura.Jinbe 2021-07-09 08:46:23  
was wondering how is Ukko's Fury set will be now? if someone can share, and is it worth using it over upheavel with Ukoncasara? or just to get AM3?
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By Sylph.Excalin 2021-07-17 01:07:51  
I use Mog Garden shout/yell whatever they are called for 1% haste to catch that missing little bit needed, think its Green Wyrm or something
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By SimonSes 2021-07-17 02:49:10  
Sylph.Excalin said: »
I use Mog Garden shout/yell whatever they are called for 1% haste to catch that missing little bit needed, think its Green Wyrm or something

That's magic haste not gear haste.
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By SimonSes 2021-07-17 02:52:40  
Spaitin said: »
sheets are just really clunky and have a lot of places to go wrong. IMO the war sheet needs a lot of review before people should take it serious. I am all for an accurate sheet. I havn't really seen anything to convince me we have one.

Exactly the same applies to practical tests.
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By Spaitin 2021-07-19 19:24:18  
Asura.Jinbe said: »
was wondering how is Ukko's Fury set will be now? if someone can share, and is it worth using it over upheavel with Ukoncasara? or just to get AM3?
better than it used to be. upheaval is still better. So, just get AMIII.
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By bombsdiggity 2021-07-20 13:39:45  
So, I'd like to start this by explaining. I don't play WAR, I DO have Chango. I am asking this because I want to try to help someone. What's the best non-rema, non-ambu, non-SU5 GA?
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By Asura.Bippin 2021-07-20 14:02:20  
Maybe one from Kirin or another helm? But I wouldn't use GA if you couldn't get any one those. Although not sure what weapon to tell you to use if not even Ambu weapon available.
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By bombsdiggity 2021-07-20 14:33:18  
that's fair, thanks!
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-07-20 14:36:30  
You can still use the Su4 Gaxe, Agoge Chopper. Bunzi is probably not too bad, either. Agonoshe is what I would recommend if you need something that can potentially be really good. Though, I get the sense you're looking for something that's low effort to obtain? In that case, I would say just buy something like Hepatizon Axe /+1, if you don't want to deal with the augment carousel from Agonoshe. It's the most affordable, easiest accessible gaxe on the market that doesn't need clears or augments to get, and doesn't have much of a high JP requirement to use it. It has higher damage than your average gaxe, and you can sell it back when you're done, so the investment is minimal.
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By Fenrir.Svens 2021-07-20 14:37:56  
Probably Bunzi's Chopper, same 336 dmg as unaugmented chango, slightly higher delay with +5 stp, str/vit/acc/atk/macc for damage WSs and breaks, 10 DT to compliment Sakpata, freeing up the cape for meva or whatever else. It's from Mboze, but at least you can just get a v0 clear.
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By bombsdiggity 2021-07-20 14:51:12  
yeah, i think bunzi is a bit out of their reach. agonoshe i think is what i am going to aim to get them
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-07-20 14:52:17  
The fact that it's from Mboze is why I knocked it down a peg. I assumed if a person couldn't get an Ambu Gaxe, Mboze clear is probably out of their reach.

I agree it's probably the better Gaxe to shoot for if you have the means. Depending on your server, it will cost a good bit more than Hepatizon.

As far as Agonoshe, they can solo obtain it in about a ~10 days just doing domain invasion.
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By Ragnarok.Jukiro 2021-07-20 15:35:03  
I know you're specifically looking for a great axe but I would just recommend Montante +1 for a new/returning player with the added benefit of tatenashi gear and how cheap it is to augment.
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By Asura.Zidaner 2021-07-20 20:09:05  
Anyone got a Subtle Blow set that is half decent? Mostly just looking for options.


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By Asura.Eiryl 2021-07-20 20:58:52  
https://www.ffxiah.com/search/item?&jobs[]=2&description=subtle%20blow&level[0]=99#adv

Auspice +25
Dagon
Niqmaddu
Chirich +1
Schere
Dignitary's
Bathy+1 (probably don't want to give up su5 jse)

Any volte/sulev+2
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By Taint 2021-07-20 21:04:39  
ItemSet 376906

Auspice +25
Sakpata Hands +8
Digni +5
Schere +3
Chirich +10
= 51 SB

Dagun +10
Niq +5
= 15 SBII

65 Total
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By Asura.Zidaner 2021-07-20 21:48:52  
Same set I have except I threw in bathy choker +1 for 11 more. Options for warrior kinda suck without a massive DPS loss.
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By Taint 2021-07-20 21:57:24  
Bathy would be wasted with Auspice. Not much of a meva or DPS loss with the set I posted.
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By SimonSes 2021-07-21 03:39:24  
Can also equip Seething Bomblet and Sakpata Feet R20, then switch Dig. earring to Brutal.
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By Asura.Failaras 2021-07-21 11:05:28  
Are there times when Ukon is better than Chango or is Ukon just outclassed at this point? I won rank 2 in the Bonanza and basically only play War and Sam, have Chango and Masa so really not sure what to get might just get the HMPs and finish Ukon if its useful at all.
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By SimonSes 2021-07-21 11:25:21  
If you self skillchain, Chango wins, if you don't then, Ukon is competetive, tho it looses quite a lot of dps if you need to get 3000TP without AM3 being active (so like switching weapons or first time putting AM3). Also Ukon AM3 TP set is basically full hybrid, while best Chango TP sets are quite glassy.
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By Asura.Failaras 2021-07-21 12:08:04  
What's the difference between the two sets? I imagine I'd just get a STP cape from Ambu or something to make up for the Chango STP+10.
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By Siren.Kyte 2021-07-21 12:44:58  
Ukon sets focus more on white damage, so that's the opposite of what you'd be doing.
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By Nariont 2021-07-21 13:03:57  
Could consider farsha too, am3 dmg with samba was competitive iirc
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By Asura.Sirris 2021-07-21 14:19:12  
Farsha is really good and fun to tank with if you have a dancer in party, AM3 + Retaliation and a 1H delay is potent. Downside is AM3 maintenance sucks.
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By Asura.Failaras 2021-07-21 14:29:48  
Farsha eh? Sounds kinda wild. To be honest I find 1 handed to be really boring and even try to avoid using Naegling because of that.

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Ukon sets focus more on white damage, so that's the opposite of what you'd be doing.
Oh so you'd forego the 5 hit build and build more towards multi hit like Niqmaddu Ring and such?
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By SimonSes 2021-07-21 14:41:08  
Nariont said: »
Could consider farsha too, am3 dmg with samba was competitive iirc

With DNC Samba maybe. Also someone caught big flaw in sheet, that was confusing when talking about physical dps difference between 1h weapons and 2h weapons (pdif wasnt adjusted for 1h weapons, so they were overperforming in sheet).

With 10% haste samba Farsha is very competitive for white damage, without it, it's kinda not, unless you compare to no subjob Ukonvasara, when you cant hasso.
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