Bravura/Ukon

Yeah dunno if you saw last night but Mnkk came on calling people idiots as usual, he deleted his comments though.

Fixed ^^
Also. Ukon ftw.

Ukkon all the way. Well most of time, lol.

I wish I took screenshots, but saw Strange doing 5k Upheavals with ease on Qilin. Highest was 8.3k if i remember correctly. No attack buffs. Bravura all the way, especially for higher-end content like legion.

lol

Except all of the time always no matter what though.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/31635/bravura-war#1933655
I started this tread a few months ago and it starts out really strong but in FFXIAH form , the trolls derail it .
There is alot of Ukko/Ukon info on this forum but not alot of Bravura info . i hope this helps a little .

As for what to make you need only look at SAM&DRK for the answer . These Jobs offer great DD with or with out a time/gil intensive Weapon . Plenty of SAMs roll around with Masa,Amano&Kanto in thier inventory because each is useful in different situations . Same goes with DRKs and OaT/Ragna/STR GS . The Merit Weapon Skills can be extremely powerful even with a simple Trial weapon , the proof of this is the amount of SAMs using Kantonotachi +100TP . Logic would dictate the same holds true for WARs as well . While i know this will get me trolled , with a little research i am sure an Upheaval WAR geared proper can equal or out DMG an Ukko WAR with or with out a Bravura .

I feeeel like if there was an option that could outdo Ukon in certain instances, it might have been introduced already? I mean I get the Rag/Ukon stuff, but idk about a Brav/othertrialGA vs Ukon.

Technically true, but not in any sense that actually matters/helps here. Assuming equal competence (we are talking about one person choosing between two weapons here), the Ukon is going to perform better overall. No amount of research is going to override that. Any situation where Bravura could win, Ragnarok is going to be better still.

This maybe true Night but the OP isnt asking about GA vs GS its about GA vs GA . The point i am tryin to make is contrary to what the Epeen trolls would have you believe , you dont need an Emp/Relic/Mythic to be an effective DD . Effective meaning Decent , Not Effective meaning the Best .

That point has nothing to do with the OP's question. Ragnarok is at least somewhat related, as they may not be aware of its usefulness for WAR.

I Know about Ragnarok's usefulness on war, I must be very honest though i was mainly trying to dig up a little information on bravura as really I do not know much about it.

so was trying to see if maybe it was at least a good option to do but seeing as I already have an Ukon I wasn't too sure.

my apologies for going off track a bit here! the information you all have given me is greatly appreciated now that all that is said Ragnarok would be the wisest choice of a weapon?

Rag > Brav for sure.

At times you can get high DMG with any GA or WS. But over all Ukon is better than Brav!

Yus.

I just strongly felt I should say I appreciated the Bon Qui Qui reference.

I've asked myself the question many times about Ukon or Bravura. Imo, competence of players make up most of the results, while gear is a great factor. As an owner of Ukon (and yourself being one) I can't really say I'd use another Gaxe over it. I am working on a Ragnarok though, and just all around getting caught back up on things. Being gone a year changed things A LOT.

This has been debated a ton before. I have both (ukko 90 and brav 99), I personally prefer the bravura in most situations. However, generally ukon is a few points ahead.

Typically 1 to 2 percent in an alliance parse, so ballpark the ukon is 5% better. Only exceptions is when heavy use of DT sets needed, where the bravura really pulls ahead. (It's not even close, at least 20% better)

The reason I prefer the bravura is the def down (which lands fairly often) the once in a blue moon evasion down and of course the gazilliion more acc.

Ukon's DPS boost going from Lv90 to Lv99 is around 15%. Should compare 99s to 99s.

Everyone knows that 99 ukko Is better. There are very few situations where bravura 99 would beat 99 ukon. (I can only think of two, high evasion and heavy use of DT)

the reason my response was 90 vs 99 was because of the posts anoveyou

The DT- from metatron and 40 acc are very useful in legion. There are a lot of mobs where you can easily get 1 shotted by an attack round w/o pdt gear. Being able to use normal TP gear w/ 20%dt or be capped haste acc pdt mdt in one set definitely comes in handy. 3 minutes extra of being alive > a couple percent on the parse if you do live. Its all situational at this point of discussion.

Isn't pretty much everything situational in this game.

So the consensus is 99 Ukon is better than 99 Bravura except for few random occasions of utilizing -dt? I'm in pursuit of a 99 Ukon and I really can't fathom making a 99 Bravura unless it will outperform Ukon.

Ukon will beat Bravura on most occasions, end of story.

Still use bravura quite a bit, though, don't you?

I'm not really playing atm.

Bravura was my long sought dream ever since I first hit war 75, so my reasons were mostly sentimental. Considering the price/effort difference between Bravura 75 > 99 and Ukonvasara 85 > 99 though (the respective "working" levels) I'd probably go for Bravura 99 and work on perfecting my Upheaval build.
None of it matters though now as it seems I may not be coming back, at least on a time frame I'd be able to play with all the friends I met during these years.

I am a Bravura and Ukon WAR myself and even though Uko deals much more damage than Bravura, yet this game is based on alliance cooperation and teamwork. Calculating and putting all that together, using a Bravura for giving a high end NM status reduction helps out more and is more beneficial to your Alliance then just spamming WS on Uko.

I find this highly amusing....

If your so "pro do things for the whole group to justify my weapon" why not stick to your Ukon and use armour break / full break and do everyone a favour by killing something faster.... surely this is more useful.

That' an idiotic comment. MT is a very decent WS we all know that it's not as strong as ukko (on mobs with a native -crit will probably out perform ukko). However, Raf makes a point that we have not been able to disprove because of the lack of data on the resist rate of def down on new content.

His point is as follows if you have one DD lose 5% DMG (as compared to 50% for using full break) and 6-7 others pick up 2-3% your alliance has picked up significant kill speed. I made up the percentages to illustrate this point but I agree with Rafs argument.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/83513-Metatron-Torment-Aftermath?p=3367319&viewfull=1#post3367319

Unless they've fixed it, I wouldn't count on the DEF Down additional effect for very much.