The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage

How does Mimesis look now?

so, DEX Uson the non-RME mainhand of choice unless you're attack capped?

any news on 119 almace being any good again? (please say it will)

Good call, its value has actually skyrocketed. Better than Bura for offhand for both Req and CDC by enough to make it worthwhile now. (Talking a 5~10% increase in WS damage)

You lose 3 % DA and 2 base dmg and 10 atk/3 STR, doesn't seem worth it to me.

That only matters for melee phase. Removal of alpha and addition of 20% WSC for CDC have pushed the WS damage benefit beyond what you get from TP accumulation frequency and white damage increase.

Also worth considering: WKR changes just might give Xiutleato a place somewhere. Should be interesting.

Re: Mimesis, thought I was done with JSE weapons and was wondering what to do with the ~130 boulders I've built up. Maybe worth hanging onto the things and making the sword now though...

You talking the difference of 10 dex... If that's the case then Almace 99 is better. Have you even put this thru spreadsheet? The benefits I listed over Mimemas benefit ws too xD

No, I thought I'd give an assessment based only on feels and ignore mathematics completely.

Almace has 14 less D than Mimesis, already losing any benefit you'd gain from the added DEX. Additionally, you'd need to mainhand Almace to take full advantage of it, which removes a significant amount of damage from weaponskills. Multiattack on CDC has less weight with an 80% DEX mod, WSC becomes more weighty. Even Windbuffet isn't always ideal over Wanion or Pipilaka, but I can only list one in the top gearset. Unless they buff Almace's base damage or give Emps +WSD like Relics and Mythics get, its relevance will remain minimal.

I bet you didn't even read this guide!

QQ

Hey bro, I have my playstyle and you have yours. Neither is right or wrong.

Apart from your's get you killed while mine lets me beat Mythic SAM's!

I think I know which style I prefer :P

I just put it thru my self and i don't see 10% ws dmg claim you have

Because I'm too lazy to spreadsheet it myself- what conditions need to be met for Windbuffet to beat Wanion?

it's a good thing I gave a range and didn't just say 10% then, isn't it?


Still researching, will let you know shortly

As much as I love debating things in a forum, I'm not too sure you're going to win your argument against Prothescar on anything Blue Mage Related in a Stickied Thread he created and is arguably one of the most accurate and best maintained job threads on ffxiah, that said its possible.

128 D + 10 STR + 10 DEX

Removing the Alpha Value means that STR is more beneficial than previously, assuming you're modifying the way WSC is calculated first I would like to see your maths to see the exact % gain you are getting as "I am not getting 10%" is hardly informative nor accurate when trying to decide upon the best / optimal weapons.


Did you read the 5% part? Seems like you didn't :3

He is stating its a 10% ws dmg increase over Buramen.... You can't list 10 STR because infact this wpn have 3 less STR then Bura. Only difference is 10 DEX, not counting the 10 atk or slightly more acc or 2 base d value or 3 % DA. I don't see his comparison either. I don't care he made this thread, his posts are very condescending to anyone that disagree with him. He can't debate a discussion w/o resorting to personal attack it seems xD

By all means, I'm completely open to additions and revisions to my data, but provide your own data to counter it, not just "it's wrong!"

I suggest using a bit of reading comprehension, the post doesn't only say "Mimesis increases WSD by 10%". Conagh very kindly quoted and highlighted it for you, reread it.

he is stating 5% actually read the post properly. 10% was the high end of the estimate.

Further more I've never seen prothescar personally attack anayone, a personal attack is calling you fat. Learn to English thanks.

ook i seen him debates with doctorough and myself lolz. He ignore SC properties before and stating requiescat was a superior ws outside of its unique dmg, which I disagreed w/. Then he debate that acc wasn't important etc. I don't take everything he says as facts xD. He gave 10% high end of the estimate w/no proof or what he was comparing, I don't get that value in my comparison so plz show me?

Cherrypicking previous debates and removing crucial elements from them isn't helping your case

Arguing or dismissing someones opinions, or not agreeing with them is not a personal attack, it is called disagreeing.

Again personal attack ~


an irrelevant fact would be like "you're fat therefore your arguments are wrong". Saying "I don't agree with you and here'ss what I feel" is not the same thing.

I never said I agree with him, I simply said that it's not a profitable argument to try and argue with someone you just said dismisses what you say.

And just to point out, I have proven Doctorugh wrong on numerous instances in game on Cerberus.

No one is infallible, but he did an estimate based on the numbers he ran and provided his own insight.

All you have provided is "you're wrong" whilst providing no insight or even trying to assist the other people.

if you are so strongly against him posting incorrect information, as you seem to argue about now, please post the data you got showing all the calculations so other people can use your data as a point of reference.

Unless being right in a pointless argument is the most important thing to you.
I personally feel providing information to allow others to come to their own conclusion is more important . helpful / noble.

but hey to each their own.

Anyway, I wouldn't go out of my way and spend all kinds of money on a Mimesis if you haven't already got one. The value is definitely there if you have it already and go ahead and use it, but unless you've got money burning a hole in your pocket then the increase you'd get from the sword really unfortunately won't be noticeable enough for you to say "wow, I'm glad I spent money on this".



@Kyte: Windbuffet > Wanion if ratio is roughly 2.1 or higher. Just going to change Windbuffet to Wanion in the T1 CDC set. Windbuffet is always better than (or equal to) Pipilaka though, so if you haven't got Wanion then Windbuffet is still your best bet (unless you need acc, Ele belt then)

He is right cause he got a big ***, now come back with math or stfu!

Is it as big as yours?

This thread is falling further and further down a strange, homoerotic rabbit hole

guess I should change the thread title to "Unleashing the Beast"


am doing some mock comparisons of SAM vs BLU for funsies, it's a lot closer than I thought it'd be, I'm even giving SAM's WSs a higher fTP boost than I expect we'll get (Fudo: 5.75@200, 6.75@300; Shoha: 2.6875@200, 3.4375@300.) Frightful Roar and Nat. Meditation going a long way, CDC coming out ahead of Shoha by a fairly significant margin (1000+ average damage on a target with 2200DEF, 1000EVA, 210VIT, 210AGI).

It basically comes down to SAM having double~triple the WS frequency compared to BLU's higher TP phase DoT. Can't wait to do an actual simulation once we have some concrete data on fTP values. I don't at all expect BLU to match or overtake SAM, but being sufficient as a DD for stuff? I'll take it for now. Don't think I care too much about losing 1~2 mins on my 30~35 minute Yorcia clears.

Random bits related to Proth's comparisons:

Added Raaz as a mid-level mob to all the spreadsheets. Idea is to have a fairly difficult mob that doesn't require setting a ton of buffs just to be able to hit it, but that can't completely ignore acc gear either.

Req and CdC are pretty much right on par when targeting Delve Fodder (with 10% def down and Berserk), but CdC is well ahead when targetting the Raaz. Basically, Req only wins when CdC starts going above the attack cap. On the other hand, if Req is pushing the attack cap, it's well ahead of CdC. (Differences on either end are 500-1000 damage out of 5k.)


Am having a real hard time finding data to match Proth's assertions on weapons, though. Not entirely sure which mainhand he's basing this off of, either.

Putting together a comparison table of DPS. TP sets are the same, spell sets are the same, weaponskill sets are tuned to ws used.

V.1 uses CdC vs Raaz. V.2 uses Req vs Delve Fodder (20% def down to cap att).

Note: no guarantees that spells and such are optimal. Just tried to make sure values were pretty good, and didn't vary between comparisons. Didn't bother trying to limit the list to 'proper' mainhand/offhand weapons restrictions.

With weaponskills sitting around the 5k-6k range, I never saw a weapon change (offhand only) shift damage by more than ~100 points.


Overall, most pairings are pretty close. I'm probably missing stuff, though, since I've only recently started playing around with blu.

Bura seems to be the best offhand across the board, though only slightly ahead of Str Uson. Str Uson seems like best mainhand for pure melee where acc doens't matter, while Dex Uson would clearly be the best choice if you're dealing with acc issues.

Mimesis seems a solid, though not great, offhand. It's functional, though not optimal. It may have somewhat better utility if using spells for damage as well.


Comparing where acc matters was too annoying to get into, though, so some of these would obviously shift if that was an issue.