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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-16 04:08:56  
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I think tizona lost value since mp is not needed anymore and the absurd amount of TA we get now.

Using spreadsheet on first page and default TP/WS set(which has 23% TA and TA job trait from spells), seems that skill 242 Tizona AM3 still has around 100 DPS ahead of various Colada augment.
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By geigei 2015-12-16 04:50:46  
Are you starting fight with 3k tp? cause 3 cdc will range from 30k to 80k and there's no way tizona will come even close.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-16 05:25:25  
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Are you starting fight with 3k tp? cause 3 cdc will range from 30k to 80k and there's no way tizona will come even close.

Isn't 3000 TP Expiacion with Tizona around 15000~18000 too? Which is about the same or a bit higher than avg CDC? So it's actually Tizona v.s 1~2 extra CDC from Colada. If you over TP due to multiple attack proc, you may only get 1 extra CDC out of it, since you don't always WS at exactly 1000 TP.

Unfortunely I can't get spreadsheet to display avg 3000 TP Expiacion damage properly to do precise comparison. Wiki listed the WS 30% STR / 30% INT / 20% DEX mod, but the spreadsheet listed on 1st page only has 2 slots for WS mod.

Just a heads up, the Expiacion FTP value also wasn't correct in spreadsheet, it's different from what's listed on bg-wiki.

Edit: Also just wondering how hard/easy it is to chain CDC light SC without AM3/SAM roll on BLU nowadays. If you can't solo light SC without SAM roll reliably with Colada, that's more DPS lose from SC.
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2015-12-16 07:17:50  
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Are you starting fight with 3k tp? cause 3 cdc will range from 30k to 80k and there's no way tizona will come even close.

26.6k CDC... Can I have it? <.<

Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Edit: Also just wondering how hard/easy it is to chain CDC light SC without AM3/SAM roll on BLU nowadays. If you can't solo light SC without SAM roll reliably with Colada, that's more DPS lose from SC.

Very easy, even solo and without any multihit weapon or AM3.
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-16 07:24:34  
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I think tizona lost value since mp is not needed anymore and the absurd amount of TA we get now.

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By Bahamut.Foreverj 2015-12-16 07:29:48  
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Are you starting fight with 3k tp? cause 3 cdc will range from 30k to 80k and there's no way tizona will come even close.

What damage on cdcs is respectable? Im seeing 6k to 17k cdcs with buffs and that was before 1200 Jps. I have a lotta room to improve tho. Also can anyone tell me how to use blue mages azure lore? Is it even used at all?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-16 07:49:34  
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geigei said: »
Are you starting fight with 3k tp? cause 3 cdc will range from 30k to 80k and there's no way tizona will come even close.

What damage on cdcs is respectable? Im seeing 6k to 17k cdcs with buffs and that was before 1200 Jps. I have a lotta room to improve tho. Also can anyone tell me how to use blue mages azure lore? Is it even used at all?

A bit hard to answer because it depend on target and buffs. But you can check spreadsheet for avg numbers in specific situation.
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By Asura.Brennski 2015-12-16 07:59:48  
Trying to work out which Adoulin Ring to take when I complete the missions this weekend/Early Next week.

Not sure if to go for Adoulin or Vocane at the minute or if I'm missing a better one for BLU.

Any advice on the best one to take?
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By geigei 2015-12-16 07:59:50  
Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »

26.6k CDC... Can I have it? <.<

Was that supposed to be sarcasm? cause my 28k cdc says you're a clown.

Clinpachi said: »
geigei said: »
I think tizona lost value since mp is not needed anymore and the absurd amount of TA we get now.


What era you living in where you run out of mp and think "Oh man, if only i had more mp i coulda kill this nm"?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2015-12-16 08:14:13  
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Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »

26.6k CDC... Can I have it? <.<

Was that supposed to be sarcasm? cause my 28k cdc says you're a clown.

I believe 28k CDC shouldn't be average WS number unless the target has physical damage taken+ mechanic, since I can barely push CDC number to more than 20k using various buffs/HQ gearsets/mob targets on spreadsheet. When comparing WS numbers, shouldn't we use average WS number instead of spikes?
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By geigei 2015-12-16 08:20:23  
Ragnarok.Afania said: »
geigei said: »
Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »

26.6k CDC... Can I have it? <.<

Was that supposed to be sarcasm? cause my 28k cdc says you're a clown.

I believe 28k CDC shouldn't be average WS number unless the target has physical damage taken+ mechanic. When comparing WS numbers, shouldn't we use average WS number instead of spikes?

Ofc is not avg, but spikes happen, 15k ish should be right, depends on what i fight, can be more or less.

Assuming 100dps more with tizona it will take 5min fighting just to catch up with 2 extra 15k cdc.
 
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By geigei 2015-12-16 09:06:05  
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geigei said: »
I think tizona lost value since mp is not needed anymore and the absurd amount of TA we get now.

Aside from being wrong. I guess you just don't solo things.

Try soloing Fenrir on D with Tizona, and you will find yourself out of MP.

Is that the content you're into or some kind of achievement? cause i do this century stuff and i have friends, no reason for me personally to go solo ronfaure content.
 
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-12-16 09:10:00  
Getting spicy with Spicy!
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By geigei 2015-12-16 09:12:37  
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
geigei said: »
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geigei said: »
I think tizona lost value since mp is not needed anymore and the absurd amount of TA we get now.

Aside from being wrong. I guess you just don't solo things.

Try soloing Fenrir on D with Tizona, and you will find yourself out of MP.

Is that the content you're into or some kind of achievement? cause i do this century stuff and i have friends, no reason for me personally to go solo ronfaure content.

To challenge myself as a BLU and enjoy a moment of zen.
MP almost certainly comes into play all of these times. To the point where going from 75>80 means "hey room for retinal glare!"

Is still a niche, how many blu out there choose to make tizona now just to solo stuff? is ok if you allready had one when it was OP but winning bonanza and choosing tizona is not a good choice imo.

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And wtf is "ronfaure content"?

Ronfaure content is fenrir VD clear in 3min.
 
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By Rooks 2015-12-16 09:22:43  
Take your arguments elsewhere.

It's vaguely on topic, but still not helpful, and this is a guide.

[Edit: to clarify, the point in the argument where you were actually discussing numbers was fine. This is progressing beyond that.]
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By Rooks 2015-12-16 09:25:42  
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We are directly talking about Tizona and BLU soloing

Do it in a way that isn't you two slapping your *** against each other, then.
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-16 09:39:34  
First someone tries to tell me that Asura is dead. Now somebody says Tizona isn't useful anymore.

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By Draylo 2015-12-16 09:52:30  
I wouldn't say its not useful anymore, that is very dumb to say tbh. I would say that its certainly lost a lot of its luster, it isn't leaps and bounds ahead of other choices. In fact, it loses out in a number of situations against things like Tanmogayi +1 and Colada. That is all to change hopefully with FEB update though, so I wouldn't dissuade people from making it as it will be king again for sure.
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2015-12-16 09:54:51  
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Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »

26.6k CDC... Can I have it? <.<

Was that supposed to be sarcasm? cause my 28k cdc says you're a clown.

It wasn't sarcasm but at least I am not being an asshat over it. I only expressed my wish to reach those numbers.
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By Clinpachi 2015-12-16 09:55:58  
Everyone is a little sassy this morning lol.
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By geigei 2015-12-16 10:09:27  
Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »
geigei said: »
Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »

26.6k CDC... Can I have it? <.<

Was that supposed to be sarcasm? cause my 28k cdc says you're a clown.

It wasn't sarcasm but at least I am not being an asshat over it. I only expressed my wish to reach those numbers.

Then please accept my excuses.
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By Asura.Arnan 2015-12-16 10:15:13  
Draylo said: »
I wouldn't say its not useful anymore, that is very dumb to say tbh. I would say that its certainly lost a lot of its luster, it isn't leaps and bounds ahead of other choices. In fact, it loses out in a number of situations against things like Tanmogayi +1 and Colada. That is all to change hopefully with FEB update though, so I wouldn't dissuade people from making it as it will be king again for sure.

I find myself not using Tizona a lot of the time now because of the fact so many fights are so short these days or theres too much down time between fights and building TP for AM isn't worth it. Also some stuff like unity wipes AM at the end of each fight
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-12-16 10:19:18  
If you're not getting 99999 on CDC* you should just quit now.


*I got the average from spamming T1 Morimar Delve NM.
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By Draylo 2015-12-16 10:20:29  
Asura.Arnan said: »
Draylo said: »
I wouldn't say its not useful anymore, that is very dumb to say tbh. I would say that its certainly lost a lot of its luster, it isn't leaps and bounds ahead of other choices. In fact, it loses out in a number of situations against things like Tanmogayi +1 and Colada. That is all to change hopefully with FEB update though, so I wouldn't dissuade people from making it as it will be king again for sure.

I find myself not using Tizona a lot of the time now because of the fact so many fights are so short these days or theres too much down time between fights and building TP for AM isn't worth it. Also some stuff like unity wipes AM at the end of each fight

Yeah exactly, that's the unfortunate truth. I have no idea why they wipe GEO spells and AM's every fight but its frustrating. Was that ever explained anyway?
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