"The Republican War Against Women" - The Book

In my opinion, health care shouldn't be a right for a very simple reason:

The people who eat nothing but fast food and take no responsibility upon themselves to eat healthy, but still expect to live as long as people who actually give a ***about their health, end up using more of the monetary aid than the trying-to-be-healthy people.

So reduce taxes and let people take on some accountability. The people who eat nothing but processed foods can die earlier and the people who actually make an effort to eat fresh foods live longer.

As long as you aren't using welfare money to do so. Cause you know that's pretty screwed up too.

I would absolutely agree that everyone having the ability to obtain quality healthcare is a good thing that would improve the lives of individuals and generally be good for the country. I don't want people do suffer or die from something that we can fix. The issue is how to provide that. If someone thinks that it should be guaranteed by the government, great. But that's very much more easily said than done.

One of the realities that has to be faced is that there seems to be no limit to what our government (at every level) can screw up. Just looking at any government process, program, idea, war, or whatever. Granted, things don't always go as planned. But they don't (or shouldn't) always go completely sideways and poison the very things they're trying to help, either. Think about your own lives and experiences interacting with the government. What leads you to think that this time, they'll do something right? What problems with how the government operates have actually been fixed - and not just replaced by the next item in the news cycle? Where is the accountability when the people running these programs don't fear for their jobs because the alternatives are just as inept as they are?

Is "take care of it yourself" a good alternative to government guaranteed healthcare? Not at all. But it isn't that way right now, either. Already the situation is a mix of government provided options, private options, and personally provided options. It's a complete mess, and it is filled with corruption and greed and lies. But for as poor of a job "they" do, I only expect worse out of a government system.

funny, but i dont think anyones actually advocating the privatization of the roads, but rather that it should have been a state issue rather than a federal one.

yeah, why not just get EVERYTHING for free? why work at all!? why doesnt the government just build a chuck-e-cheese in every town! no, in all seriousness, somebody's service isnt a right. health care is not a naturally occurring phenomenon, you don't see any other living creature doing it, nor is it required to live, seeing as all those other animals seem to do alright without it as well. by that logic, why not make everyone pay for free healthcare to dogs and cats too?

I am. is that out of line? don't want to touch that subject?

Obama won't touch gun control now since Eric Holder got caught fumbling on Fast&Furious, as well as his comment about brainwashing the public to think of guns negatively. although, i think this whole zimmerman vs black kid thing has gotten blown out of proportion for the sake of gun control propaganda, they wont come out and spell it out because Eric Holder will be brought up, but i can't think of any other reason why the president would come out and make an emotional comment about it one way or the other. looks like his son if he had one? lol, could say the same thing if the kid was white since he's an oreo.

as for Romney being a republican... not in my mind. to my understanding he was originally a D, until karl rove got him to switch teams. even now he's about as "moderate" (nice political word for pushover) as they come.

definitely seeing that with Ron Paul, he brings up the fact that the republicans are addicted to government spending and it is not the republican way, and everyone gets pissed and boo's him.

yeah, that really frustrates me. it seems the people that think along those lines only remember the Bush family and Clinton's surplus, although they dont have a clue as to where it came from. cant blame em for hating the Bush family though, that's what made me originally register as a D the first time around. as for voting for the "lesser of 2 evils", yeah.... voting for evil hasnt been doing us very good.

Romney is right on that one, they should have failed just like the banks, although i doubt Romney would have said ***about his banker pals. also, i would hardly call shipping GM overseas "saving" it.

hahah here we go, that awesome liberal logic. i dont agree down the line with you, therefore i must not be paying attention. i dont think my vote matters at all anyway, theyll just cheat the elections to get their guy in like they did for bush and are currently doing for romney in the GOP primary.

no, youre right, he didn't start the Afgahni war, but he did commit way more troops to it. and for what? what business do we have over there? honestly i couldnt care less about "democracy in the middle east", we dont even have good politics here at home. i dont care about the efforts of the last decade, they were a mistake, and until we cop to that, we will apparently continue these mistakes. we should have never been over there, and the fact that a decade later we're still there is inexcusable. as for the withdraw, yeah, just in time for election season.. and in fact there IS a GOP candidate calling for complete withdrawl.

correct, we didn't have boots on the ground but we did have drone strikes, also we basically killed a guy for refusing to trade his oil for our shitty paper dollars. again, im not here to argue for the GOP, or to figure out which sham of a party is better, so telling me the GOP wanted to go in there as well really doesnt matter much to me honestly. the argument about whether or not the president needed congressional authority to take orders from the UN is kind of a moot point, since we shouldnt be in the UN to begin with.

so i guess you agree that they actually DO have a voice, they're just too aligned to talk ***about a D in office. the whole partisan media sham is a joke anyway if you "actually pay attention", no corporate media outlet ever speaks with the interest of the viewers anymore.


absolutely, there is a bunch of things we could agree on, im sure everybody here could agree that:
1) there is too much corruption in our government
2) the federal government is involved in way too much
3) partisan politics are destroying individual thought

unfortunately we all seem to have a different idea as to how to fix the problem. i can tell you right now though, the solution ISNT voting for more partisan team-players, and it ISNT falling into the scam of simply blaming the other side; because then nothing ever gets done, people just bump heads, and for what? its pretty clear both parties want war, both parties hate alternative medicine, and both parties are interested in more government agencies getting involved in our lives. people need to realize we're getting robbed in broad daylight by a government that favors their corporate buddies over the people. our elections arent about us, theyre about Goldmann Sachs vs. JP Morgan

I'm trapped between all these walls of text.

Somebody send help.

It would have been funny to have some giant wall of text here instead.. proposing ultimate ruinner.. Short post only until page 9.

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the roads are a national issue, as long as interstate commerce stays the way it is.

As for your silly retort, I'm not advocating everything be free, just the requirements to live, as we have the right to life we have the right to the things that are required to live by extension. As for your example, luxuries aren't a requirement to live. Healthcare is essential to live, if you don't understand that concept then there's no helping you. Dogs/cats don't have rights, nor should they, they aren't people.

most of that "fast food"/processed should never be declared safe for human consumption in the first place, fight the cause, not the effect.

You can't blame people for consuming what's cheap and readily available to them, especially when most are fed it from an early age and don't know any better.

edit: that and greasy food tastes good.

Since???

always

Woah woah woah.. I eat an *** ton of bacon. I know its bad for me I accept the issues that might one day come from that but also try to make up my intake with activity and what I eat otherwise.. You are telling me some fat slob that is a McD "heavy user" is not responsible for it?? Get a grip on yourself. Ignorance is no excuse in a court of law or in common fricken sense with what you put in your body.

Exiting this thread because have the overwhelming feeling being trolled hard core.. or dealing with an idiot.

you obviously have no understanding of the lack of education or "common sense" of the south do you?

and who the *** is talking about in court?

These are the facts, and it's an issue, you can't just ignore it because you don't like it.

you need to also calm down

correct, it's too little too late now to do anything about it, what i'm saying is that in hindsight it would have been best handled by the states.

you havent even successfully explained it yet, sooo... how about you do that before you start up the pretentious liberal act with me? why is it that only humans have a right to that which extends life? you suggest food and water should also be supplied to all for free as well? how do you expect that to happen?

wouldnt mandated healthcare essentially be fighting the cause and not the effect as well? wouldnt that in some ways accelerate the cause by removing risks for the patient?

*waves finger in the air and hand on my hip* lots of tension in here, take a breath and chill. everyone is entitled to their opinions, so lets just have a healthy debate.

by the way it is I mean by the way it's always been, they chose the correct method in handling it for having interstate commerce without taxes.

I don't need to explain it, it is self explanatory.
Because we are superior.

I expect it to happen with technology, free energy, food, etc.

I think you got that backwards, providing healthcare to everyone would do more than to fight the effects of that dilemma, in order to fight that dilemma it would require more regulation, which then the GOP would *** and moan.

cool you just lost the argument thx for playing

and btw incase you didn't notice, every time we try and regulate something there tends to be intentional loopholes. the government has too much power to auction off, we can NEVER have a free, healthy, or prosperous country by letting this current system manage and regulate it or anything else. how would you regulate it in a way that would deny services for less responsible people? that wouldnt be free healthcare anymore. you dont seem to have a clue as to what you really believe.

also the interstate commerce clause as you just stated was put into play to prevent taxes, not to maintain roads. they could have prevented a tax like that without taking responsibility of maintaining the roads.

I'm curious, what is everyone's definition of "healthcare"? Are we talking preventative care only?

I never mentioned the clause, just that they wanted to prevent taxes on the roads, in such a case they need to maintain them at a federal level.

I didn't lose any argument, I'm not going to sit here and explain something to you like a 3 year old, it would be degrading both of us.

as for the bold: you are foolish if you think the country needs deregulation, or that just because the system needs fixed that things shouldn't be regulated.

Would you want children working in coal mines again? or Companies creating towns/currency etc. Basically enforcing a slave labor camp.

everything short of things like boobs jobs (unless they somehow are medically relevant, or somebody had implants due to breast cancer or something).

not gonna talk down to me like a 3 year old? but you libs love doing that. why wouldnt you do it now?

no, i suggest that we need re-regulation, fair uncorrupted regulation that's in the interest of the people and not pharma. do you sincerely believe that obamacare is designed first, foremost, and possibly even ONLY for us, the people? or are you advocating for a different system

edit: also how the hell is free food and water for everybody "self-explanitory?" you sir are falling apart lol

It's so ridiculous that someone so bent against the need for the TSA (erosion of freedoms, government overreach, etc) cannot extend the same consequences and concerns to a future government bureaucracy that provides everyone healthcare.

I think psychologists call it denial.

1. I'm not a liberal.

2. No, considering it is a rewrite of the republican healthcare plan they designed as opposition to clintoncare, I would have preferred a 100% socialist healthcare plan, Obama is a pussy and didn't go far enough.

I was saying healthcare being necessary to live is self explanatory, reading comprehension 101.

It's called knowing history, and wishing for a better future, and it's within our reach.

It's called denial buddy, pull your head out of the clouds and join us back on planet earth will ya?

Thanks for replying. I guess it's easy for some people to overlook the fact that otherwise healthy people often have accidents or other emergencies which would require care. Or perhaps it's simply that they do not care.

I honestly think a lot of folks simply don't care, which is a truly sad state of affairs.

1. you act like one

2. lol socialist, when has socialism EVER worked?

so you dont want to touch your comment about food and water then? you gonna take it back or just act like you never said it? and how can you differentiate healthcare from food and water, if theyre all equally necessary?


thats a sad look on life you have there. dont you think though that everyone has a family, and almost everyone loses friends and family to disease, illness and injury? how could anyone NOT care about this? it's just an argument about the most successful method of delivery, and in a capitalist system, obviously a free market would be the best way

can say the same to you


you act like a crazy person who's disconnected with reality, but it's still not nice to call names.

2. it's working pretty damn well for China right now, aside from that healthcare wise it works, works a lot better than our broken healthcare system, what rank are we in the world for healthcare again? 30something?

3. what about that comment? I answered it already, again reading comprehension. I don't differentiate them, again reading comprehension.