"The Republican War Against Women" - The Book

which part?

I just moved from Blacksburg to Virginia Beach.

ah, I live north of Harrisonburg.

Vtech though, ouch.

No such thing as a "federally funded abortion" in this country. That was a lot of *** based on a something that isn't true.

So since there are no federally funded abortions, and thus it's not a collective right, then abortion is A.O.K.?

thing is the supreme court already ruled that it's a woman's right, and that it's best for society for it to be so. That decision doesn't change just because the person/people who are paying for it changes, even if it were the nation.

at the rate it's going, the far right will piss off the moderates as well as the far left, enjoy your bigotry while you can.

how is it ridiculous?

Catholic, Protestant or Non-denominational theocracy does it really matter? Current Republican legislation is dripping in theocratic thought and there are countless examples of this. If you choose to ignore it because you believe the conservatives are all about 'live and let live', you're delusional and adept at lying to yourself.

Legislation that attempts to strip rights from gays and women is 'live and let live'? Are you on the same planet as us humans? Your Republican legislators the very same I see trying to imitate religious officials rather than secular ones? Or are we going to pretend that Rick Perry is the only guy frequently removing his politician hat for one of the ministry?

Constantly pushing for creationism in school. (Backwards)
Abstinence as a social program to combat teen pregnancy. (Does not work)
Outlawing abortion. (Denying rights to citizens)
Persistently attempting to install Christianity as the religion of the nation. (Goes against our nations founding documents)
Actively denying rights to citizens based on religious doctrine in a secular nation. (Separation of church and state wut)
Attempting to rewrite history to suit a social agenda. (despite being disproven by the facts)

I have no problem with people practicing their religion but its become so obvious that the Republicans have sold themselves out to the far right that it spills out all over what should be secular leadership of this country. Rational republicans have been driven to either conform to this new order or be driven under the heel of this new party of division and seething hatred for anyone who doesn't belong.

There is a reason after all that the party has problems attracting people who aren't WASPs. But that's just my tinfoil hat according to you, right? This being the same party that hates immigrants, hates welfare, hates education and puts forth candidates for president like Rick Santorum who embodies division, control and is on the record stating that separation of church and state makes him sick.

'Live and let live' you say. Amusing.

Mitt Romney didn't even have the balls to speak out and prevent his gay adviser from being thrown under the bus because those social conservatives own the place. The man running for leader of the free world at the end of the day can't even speak out for his fellow American because his hands are shackled by the conservative right and he must bend his knee to in order to stand a chance this election season.

I wonder why?

So you're arguing against a position that no one here is actually advocating? Your word soup is nothing but a strawman.

no, it's not considering the other part I said.

It's a valid health procedure, regardless of the reasons behind it. I see no reason why healthcare shouldn't be a right, in fact it's illogical to think otherwise.

Someone tell me when Arcmancat is done arguing with his strawmen because no one here is advocating for abortions to be federally funded.


Referring to abortions without legislative obstruction or video cameras attempting to pressure you into keeping the protochild.

The fact is that one party has waged war against an organization that does far more than simply provide abortion services which aren't even federally funded. Thus this group has deemed women appropriate collateral damage in order to cure the great social ill that is Planned Parenthood.

This very same group hates abortions but also does not care to address the issue of teen pregnancy, sex and STDs but rather lump it all under 'don't have sex' as if that strategy has never been tried throughout history. Instead of embracing education programs that would lower the number of unplanned pregnancies and thus abortions this group chooses to serve young adults a plate of old-fashioned ignorance that will do more damage in the long run than they could ever hope to imagine.

Instead of keeping their noses out of the individual decisions of citizens this group has arrived at the conclusion that if they believe something that everyone must conform.

And nowhere in those last two posts of yours is it mentioned that it should be publicly funded. "Right" refers to abortion being available to anyone who wants it and does not imply an obligation for the government to subsidize it.

I'll advocate for abortions to be federally funded then. The left-wing of the country needs to stop being worried over offending the right-wing and meeting them half-way, because they're going to be cry and scream no matter what.

Giving women complete control over their own reproductive cycle can do nothing except raise the living standard for the whole country. In what other way could you increase the workforce, increase the number of able-bodied adults, without increasing the population burden?

Christopher Hitchens calls it the one and only cure for poverty.

Can I have an abortion if I pay for it with cash?

Do you always use the dictionary to form arguments? And why are you so fixated on sex? Anyway... in your example, you seem to imply that this haver-of-the-sex is not a taxpayer and is not entitled to healthcare which I can only assume is provided under some kind of universal health care plan. Are you forgetting that you, as a taxpayer, could also utilize the same service? And that your healthcare costs would be cheaper due to the vast risk pool such a system could take advantage of?

All I'm seeing is the typical "f*** you, I got mine" attitude.

Also, the Constitution does not grant rights. It limits what government can do. Perhaps you can frame your argument better from that viewpoint.

PP only accepts Abortion Bucks. Which you can only buy in bulk.

why can't people just buy their own healthcare? what if i dont need or want health insurance? this isn't about "free healthcare for all", its about "insurance mandates".

but besides all that, why do many democrats turn a blind eye to Obeezy's wars? and how'd they let that NDAA thing happen? if bush did any of this ***they'd all be screaming bloody murder. makes me wonder if they even believe the "values and beliefs" they tote or if they're just team players like the jackass establishment christians in the republican party

sure is democracy in here

and i really wonder what you partisan players think about us who dont identify with either party, do we even have a place at the table anymore?

How is it exploitation if you or I are paying into the system?

Your first few posts were a strawman. Maybe use your dictionary to look up what a strawman is.

Just because something is not specifically spelled out in the Constitution, that does not mean it is unconstitutional.

I formatted that weird but I dont care cause I'm going to bed. G'night.

hmm, last couple pages...

*** public roads, i don't want to use that ***. we should get rid of them because why should i pay for other people to use them? i don't want my money paying for them and how DARE you make me.

sure is democracy in here

and i really wonder what you partisan players think about us who dont identify with either party, do we even have a place at the table anymore?

Here's the problem with America. Well, one of the problems.

In the last decade, the left has been drifting further and further right while the right has been drifting into a mental hospital. There is no left party anymore. For instance, there is no party for gun control. Obamacare uses republicans ideology(from romney and bob dole). Mandates was a republican idea also. The only reason they're against it now is because the democrats are for it also. It's called fake outrage. The same goes for cap and trade, a position the old republicans used to take up until the current democrats took it up also. Reagan raised taxes 11 times and wanted amnesty for immigrants, which is now something democrats side with and would have never passed with the republicans. Yes, Reagan, whom the right idealized so much, would be laughed out of the current GOP if any of them bothered to learn about his policies. Barbara Bush, the first Bush's wife, also chimed in with her dismay with the current GOP.

Which leaves people like me and millions of others scratching our head, wondering who's going to represent us. Have you visited a political forum lately? Ask a liberal why he's going to vote for Obama in time around, if at all. There's a very, very, very high chance that they'll tell you it's because they don't want the GOP in office. In 2008, it was because they believed Obama would bring them "change", which never happened. It's not a vote for good. It's a vote for the lesser of two evils.

And this was not an accident. The right continues to go further and further right(ie. McCain going on national TV and saying immigrants are conducting beheadings and purposefully starting fires. Rick Perry, a very conservative guy, got boo'ed because he asks for compassion for immigrants with family already in the US not to separate them, etc etc). After doing so, they demand the left meet them in the middle. And guess where the middle is now.

Now, we have a left that's on the right-wing, and a right that's so far off the scale that they're not even sane anymore. Just yesterday, Romney went up to a crowd and said he takes credit for the success of the auto industry. I mean...what the bloody hell. He was the one that wanted them to fail and go bankrupt so capitalism can take it's course. Now that Obama saved the auto industry, he wants to take credit.

And what happens when they get called out on it? "Oh! That elitist media is attacking us again! The media is sooo pro-Obama", etc. The only reason why it works is because the right has a HUGE persecution complex.

I'm still waiting for Obama to come for their guns! Right, like that'll happen.

Then we have people like you, who don't pay attention to politics, who doesn't really know what's going on, who's more susceptible to propaganda due to your indifference, and who's vote matters more than anyone.

Obama's wars? What are you talking about? What war has Obama started? Iraq/Afgahn? Did he start those wars? Do you want him to cut off supply for our troops immediately or do you want him to withdraw out troops immediately and have those countries collapse, ultimately destroying the efforts of the last decade? Or do you want him to set up a plan for gradual withdraw? Oh wait, he did that. Do you think the GOP would do such a thing? Well, maybe, I suppose, inbetween their war mongering for a third war with Iran.

Or maybe you're talking about Libya? Oh wait, he didn't start that war, he only offered aid, no boots were on the ground, he did not take the lead into Libya and that was over before the GOP could change their mind 3 times, though they did change their mind twice. First, they wanted to go in. When Obama went in, they attacked Obama for going in. When it was over, they attacked Obama for not going in soon enough. It's utterly insanity what they can get away with.

NDAA? Yeah, I'll give you that. And you know what? Liberals were pissed that he signed it. You just don't hear anything because liberals don't have a bloody voice in this country. Republicans have a whole network to say whatever they want, whenever they want. It's called Fox News. They get to scream and holler at the drop of a hat. Oh no! Obama had a Hip-Hop BBQ and it didn't create jobs. Google it, I'm not making this up.

MSNBC, for the most part, isn't going to severely attack Obama because that'll discourage Obama voters from showing up to vote. If they stayed home, like they did in 2010, Obama doesn't have a chance, even though he's up against a robot with no real principles and no real apathy and understanding for the American people. That's also what we need right now, more GOP policies, because it worked out so well for us the last time a republican was in office.

And CNN doesn't have a political affiliation. Occasionally, they get a host that leans to the right or to the left, but that's about it. It actually bothers me more that they don't actually. The strive for balance for the sake of balance, at the cost of actual journalism. They don't call people out for lying, because they don't want to be seen as siding with one side or another.

All that said, I hope you could understanding my disapproval of continuously caving into the GOP's demands and calling it compromise. After the debt ceiling nonsense, John Boehner went on 20/20 and talked about it. He claimed that he got a certain percentage of what he wanted. Does anyone remember that number? How's that for compromise and meeting in the middle.

I may be partisan, but I don't identify with either parties either. I trust that after reading this post, you can understand why.

/sigh.

I just straight disagree with you, whether or not they request it or it's required for another reason is a moot point, it's still healthcare.

Healthcare should be a right, as it is required to live, as is shelter and food, these things should all be rights, as the extension of the guaranteed life.

Also there's all sorts of collective rights, which over impose over individual rights. Where do you think the idea of imminent domain comes from?