Monkey Bill In Tennessee Schools

'Monkey Bill' Becomes Law, Imperils Science In Tennessee

So what we have here, is basically a state law, saying teachers can teach and impose their religious views. We are in 2012, yes? This just baffles me with biotechnology and what not.

nothing should scare one more in the modern world than political religion

they use biotechnology in the NFL to create super atheltes, i think chris rock said it best, NFL stands for N.gga F.cking Large

actually he said it was due to breeding, he also said they'd take over hockey too once they make a heated hockey rink.

I don't even ><

*** yeah Bible Belt.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. People make high schoolers and middle schoolers out to be a good deal more impressionable than they really are. I had all kinds of stupid political crap crammed down my throat in school growing up that I disagreed with then and now. Turns out people can think for themselves.

My main concern is that science textbooks in high school are already 10~ years behind. HS textbooks don't cover concepts that are quazi-difficult to comprehend or simply controversial. E.g. Genetic drift/hitchiking and string theory.

I don't see the point in teaching science in high school really anymore if this is going to be the trend in schools. My AP Bio class in HS was light-years behind my freshman bio class(I was like what was the point).

Basic rudimentary science will always be needed, even though I do think you are correct in saying that we do need to upgrade the standards of all sciences in High School today...
And on the thought of impressionable is all I have to say is Duck Face!

duck face >_>

America, *** yeah.

WTF is wrong with people? How the f--k can our species better ourselves or make it to the stars with people in our country who think like this. How can one NOT think religion is made to restrict progress and enslave the mind when idiots like this are walking the earth. WTF is wrong with people?

I say, if these people want to refute science, take away their cars, televisions, A/C units, airplanes, hospitals, microwaves....hell pretty much everything. Then let them go back to their book of fables.

Believe it or not, there are actually people who believe they should, as best they can, follow a system that they think will better their lives, and the world around them, but don't take everything at face value. I know what you said was directed at the irrational ones, but "How can one NOT think religion is made to restrict progress" is pretty far reaching, and I think, unfair.

Is it though Terminus? You make an excellent point, not every Christian in American is a Bible-Banger hell bent on forcing their own quasi-morality down the throats of those around them. Just like not every Muslim man treats his wife(wives) like crap or blows himself up in the name of Allah. But the point Pawnskipper was trying to make is that Religion is general is holding us back.

While not every person who follows the Bible/Qur'an/Torah is some kind of semi-literal half-wit who can't understand basic concepts like "Common Ancestor", there are still far too many of these types in the world, and most religious organizations(mainly in the US now) promote such behavior and ideals. In fact there are numerous studies linking those of strict religious beliefs to lower overall cognitive abilities and education levels.

We as a people need to stop tolerating our slow decent back into the dark ages, and every single Moderate Christian out there who hides behind "Well there are extremists of every kind" is just silently condoning the intellectual genocide of our species.

There's an old saying, you cannot tax a nation into prosperity.

Well, in that vein I say, "You cannot reach for great heights by chopping inches off your hands and placing them below your feet."

If Bioshock taught me anything, it's that Christianity is the antithesis to progress. Also, they can climb on walls'n'***.

It's interesting that people for whatever reason people like to pretend religion vs science is some eternal struggle. That is not the story the facts tell. Religion vs. Science is actually a relatively recent phenomenon. For a large portion of human history monks were some of the largest proponents of science and most research funding came from churches.
Another thing that bothers me is that the people who are the biggest cheerleaders for science are typically the people who don't do research. I love doing research and contributing to the existing body of human knowledge, but if there is one thing I am quite sure of when conducting research it is that my newly discovered knowledge rests on a shaky base. You'd be surprised how frequently even in the hard sciences we accept things as "fact" when we know they aren't quite correct simply because they serve as a useful paradigm and we don't have something that fits any better.

lol, the South

Well, I guess the only logical follow-up question to that is, did the monks have Spharai or Verethragna?

The statement is fair.

Religious beliefs don't provide anything that would further our species. Some people do a better job at keeping it from being as big of a road block as it is to others, but its still not a help.

Perhaps you care to explain in what branch of science religion is currently helping to advance.

Signed Galileo Galilei

How old is the planet Earth?

A few thousand or a few billion?

Were they huge proponents of science because they were monks, or because they were educated? Monks were among the only people educated for a long time.

Remember that little factoid.

Oh nooooos! What would FFXIAH be without a thread that bashes religion or the South?!?

/places hands on hips

And what's this? A twofer?!?

Z, I know you like defending the south and keeping the peace and such, but let's face it: this is ***, and when a state does *** like this, it should be ridiculed.

This is preposterous, it's hysterically backwards, it's wrong. We're going to abuse the mickey out of them for it, and there's nothing wrong with that.

And in addition to that, I'm going to contact my own legislatures to thank them for the job they're doing making sure this ***doesn't happen up here.

Well, yeah.

The more we learn about the universe and our reality, and the more we're capable of learning, the less we need to believe nonsense stories. Sick people aren't possessed by demons; they've been infected by micro organisms. The sun isn't the wheel of a giant chariot riding across the sky; it's just a big ball of gas. The world isn't flat, the earth isn't the center of the universe, and neither is our sun.

Yeah, these are all obvious facts now, but if you were to go against them back when these ideas were held, you would have been persecuted by the church/state for blasphemy and likely put to death.

Hey, I'm from & live in Houston, and I actually prefer the south over other places in the country for several reasons.

This specifically is beyond foolish though & deserves the worst we can throw at it.

I can understand where your coming from here. Live your life the way YOU want. And I stress YOU. Don't try to force your lives on others. This is what makes me made about the whole thing. Be an ignorant jackass on your own. Keep that crap out of the schools. Kids are lied too enough on what the world really is about.

Also, let me rephrase my statement about religion restricting progress. Any organization, be it religous or secular, that does not take actual empirical evidence into account but rather dismisses the evidence because it disproves their notions of grandure is restrictive to any advancement. Its not that I'm against the morals or life lessons that you can learn from them (I love the story of jesus christ, although it was borrowed from much older ones), its the people. -_-

Any organization that takes the evidence and makes them fit to conclusions rather than vice versa is dangerous and backwards and should be treated as such.

agreed. Not sure if being smart *** or just stating. There should be a tone button.