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 Asura.Yoyou
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By Asura.Yoyou 2012-07-28 14:26:43  
Beastmaster sword skill caps at 300 305 with Suppa @99.

Your accuracy would fall under 85% on EP mobs in dynamis without food, reason because I suggested to change it asap, I know you already mentioned that.
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By Bismarck.Diablosword 2012-07-28 14:57:01  
Would having 8/8 sword merits make Ridill worthwhile, or is it really just trash for BST?
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By Asura.Yoyou 2012-07-28 15:06:06  
I'd pick a ToM axe or a twilight knife over it tbh , instead of using it or even waste merits in Sword skills.

Imo ridill should be used only to skill up and to proc in VW nowdays.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-08-03 06:42:40  
on BST could i justify using tyrant ring/goading belt over eponas ring/twilight belt if it brings me up a tier for x-hit build? would be 12 hit with 276 delay axes. 10 hit after ws if land all hits. 26% haste 34 store tp 14% double attack

this also has to do with me being lazy. i dont have eponas ring and i dropped twilight belt awhile ago couldnt use it for my jobs
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By Xilk 2012-08-03 14:46:22  
Shiva.Paranoid said: »
on BST could i justify using tyrant ring/goading belt over eponas ring/twilight belt if it brings me up a tier for x-hit build? would be 12 hit with 276 delay axes. 10 hit after ws if land all hits. 26% haste 34 store tp 14% double attack

this also has to do with me being lazy. i dont have eponas ring and i dropped twilight belt awhile ago couldnt use it for my jobs

This is very much 2-handed fighter thinking. You are completely right that you can reduce your #hits to Weaponskill by trading these 2 pieces. However, you won't really be hitting your weaponskills sooner.

The double Attack and triple attack you gain will make up for the tp/hit, plus you do more melee damage. I've been playing around with the dps spreadsheet for bst to compare this.

This is the set I am comparing:

Weapon Guttler 95
Offhand Ganelon DA
Ammo Hagneia Stone
Head Phorcys
Neck Houyi
Earring Brutal
Earring Suppa
Body Ferine +2
Hands Brego
Ring Rajas
Ring Tyrant vs Epona
Back Atheling
Waist Goading vs Twilight
Legs Phorcys
Feet Wrathwing vs Ferine +2


What is interesting in this set is that the average rounds/weaponskill are exactly the same. It only starts to separate when you get close to haste cap, in which the multi-hit is pulling a bit ahead of the store TP.

If you don't have Phorcys gear and use the ferine head/feet for tp set instead, then the store tp options give a bit more edge in tp/hit, but still not in dps.

bottom line, DA/TA do more for dual wield jobs than store tp does.

I also find it interesting that even though Porthos body will pull ahead of ferine for rounds/ws it will lose in dps IF only normal killer effects are active. this means, no killer instinct, just trait/merits & gausape +2.

Gausape +2 loses to Porthos if killer effects are not possible.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-08-07 07:09:51  
thanks. what about armada hauberk with good augments? and with the new pets are the monster +2 gloves useless? will have no effect on them?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-08-07 07:35:09  
Edit: In the spirit of actually encouraging people to look for answers before posting, removing post of my own questions, as they're all addressed in the thread Taint made last month.

Read that!
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-08-07 07:56:58  
Shiva.Paranoid said: »
thanks. what about armada hauberk with good augments? and with the new pets are the monster +2 gloves useless? will have no effect on them?

I'd still go with porthos byrine, +2 gloves are still needed to make pets capped. With the augment they are really just good for sheep since it can make them 99. I still use them since theyre good cheap throw away pets and easy to make.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-08-07 08:15:33  
i dont need the haste from p byrnie though. i have huginn feet. store tp from ebody is allowing better x-hit build and the 3 double atack, more accuracy and attack doesnt hurt either
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-08-07 08:38:02  
I went with the TA and DA approach, i just didnt see a senisable x-hit build. On my server -1 is just too hard to find so i decided not to bother.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-08-07 09:46:11  
yea its probably not worth to get just for bst anyway. i just have ebody from drk so i figure i might as well use it
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By Xilk 2012-08-07 17:02:46  
The Monster Gloves +2 are definitely worth it whether you are using sheep or not. The goal is to have a level 99 pet. I think the difference is noticeable for a level 98 or 97 pet.

I do not use Nazuna at all. I would need 5/5 Beast Affinity Merits to get Nazuna to level 99. I don't want to do that. I am using 2/5 Beast Affinity Merits which means Nazuna would be only level 90, and Clyvonne will be level 96. All other post 75 pets will be level 99.

As far as comparing augmenting Adaberk, I'd recommend getting the spreadsheet and inputting the augments you have on it. If bst were not a main focus for me, I would definitely use adaberk if I already had it. Its certainly a solid piece.
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By OmniQuetz 2012-08-07 18:56:04  
Typical fighting gear, Pet and master Hybrid.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/264421

Pet only fight:

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/264423

and Ruinator:

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/264424
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By lilcratis 2012-08-07 19:15:21  
aww...i'm too late....it's all been said...maybe a pair of skadi's for movement speed.
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By Shiva.Paranoid 2012-08-10 04:08:42  
can you switch out ferine boots after you use spur and still get the effect or do you have to keep them on?
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By Hades.Tripster 2012-08-10 09:14:59  
Help! I'm relatively new to BST (got it to 99 and started working on the axes), and unfortunately I'm not very good in figuring out which gear is best, thus I'm asking for help!

Regarding TP sets, which one of these two should I use? And any improvements on these? My main goal with BST is doing Dynamis.


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Axes are Double Attack Axe and STR Astolfo
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By lilcratis 2012-08-10 10:10:11  
asking what the best bst gear for dynamis is like askin what's the best NIN eva set to tank charby...you're WAY over thinking it...we're talking about easy prey mobs...you could show up in perle gear and find that you're killing faster than you can proc...your gear sets are fine maybe switch out belt for twilight/prosilio/goading for tp and WS.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-08-10 10:56:31  
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you could show up in perle gear

But some of us would prefer you have a little more pride in what you do to not be a total embarassment to us all by doing this.

Not as a BST. Not as a player.

If you show up in full perle to anything, I know enough about you to judge you as a human being.

Seriously.

Full perle is roughly the equivelant of showing up to a job interview unbathed and wearing a bathrobe.

Don't.
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By Xilk 2012-08-10 11:25:40  
Shiva.Paranoid said: »
can you switch out ferine boots after you use spur and still get the effect or do you have to keep them on?

I actually don't remember my results when I tested that. It might be in our testing thread on alla. Otherwise its quick to test. I checked the all thread. i didn't test if they need to stay equipped. I'll probably hit that tonight to double check.

also, @Tripster

The Toci's/Ocelomeh+1 set is a superior TP set. You will do more damage and more likely to WS more (its close and ws rate probably about the same).

Results Phorcys/Ferine Toci/Ocelomeh
Melee damage/round 375 404
Melee DPS 63.766 68.563
Rounds/WS 5.78 5.72
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-10 12:01:47  
This is pet the only set. I use for anything i cant also safely melee on full time which isn't too often. Feet are +9def 2haste body is +15 atk 2DA/2crit. Rings are because i cant get lucky with pet augment rings yet and since im not meleeing i'd rather nul some spells(like accidental too close meteor, or a hate reset >thundga3) just a personal choice not important overall.

The FU pet set I use for dynamis and most things that are too weak to matter up to Tough(outside absysea).
for the FUset pet I'd like to get phorcys head but i've only got body/hands/legs atm. I'm still deciding what axes to make for the FU pet set atm i have the standard -pdt's. Leaning to str/OA2-4, I like my set up it's fun to be a little different with alternative set ups. My ws set up is on the first page still editing it. Hope this helps good luck.

Edit: Forgot to mention you should make the af2+2 augmented legs i did hands/legs/feet but the legs help a lot. Since they give +10 pet haste when you 2 hour (dynamis) and don't need to stay equipped. Back in the day ppl said bst2 hr did all kinds of stuff but from what i'm seeing now the idea is it doesn't give more then 10% hp.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-08-10 12:27:45  
lilcratis said: »
asking what the best bst gear for dynamis is like askin what's the best NIN eva set to tank charby...you're WAY over thinking it...we're talking about easy prey mobs...you could show up in perle gear and find that you're killing faster than you can proc...your gear sets are fine maybe switch out belt for twilight/prosilio/goading for tp and WS.
As long as the time between when a mob is proc'd and when it dies is non-zero, better gear will help improve your currency totals.
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By Hades.Tripster 2012-08-10 12:33:09  
Xilk said: »
Shiva.Paranoid said: »
can you switch out ferine boots after you use spur and still get the effect or do you have to keep them on?

I actually don't remember my results when I tested that. It might be in our testing thread on alla. Otherwise its quick to test. I checked the all thread. i didn't test if they need to stay equipped. I'll probably hit that tonight to double check.

also, @Tripster

The Toci's/Ocelomeh+1 set is a superior TP set. You will do more damage and more likely to WS more (its close and ws rate probably about the same).

Results Phorcys/Ferine Toci/Ocelomeh
Melee damage/round 375 404
Melee DPS 63.766 68.563
Rounds/WS 5.78 5.72

Thank you for your answer. Which I think it's funny because from all the TP gear sets I've looked into in this set, only 1 person mentioned Ocelomeh + Toci's. It's the set I've been using though, I thought getting Phorcys would be an improvement. I'd probably gonna use Phorcys Dirs and Twilight Belt, and only use Moepapa for a PETTP set.

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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-10 12:33:10  
@suji Exactly, i noticed a large rise in my coin totals post ruinator compared to rampage. In rampage armor that was pretty good i was still only going 1-1.5k ruinator does 3k without much effort upwards of 4k+ on DAs in dyna.
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By celerez 2012-08-10 12:56:42  
I like how everyone just ignores the reward set in this post lol.
(keep in mind this set is best when NOT engaging... since you will be swapping back and forth on weps between this and your PDT set and blowing your TP out)


Alternately... I would swap my K.Osode in if I didn't need the status removal offered by the Relic body :)
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By Bismarck.Bongarippa 2012-08-10 13:05:03  
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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you could show up in perle gear

But some of us would prefer you have a little more pride in what you do to not be a total embarassment to us all by doing this.

Not as a BST. Not as a player.

If you show up in full perle to anything, I know enough about you to judge you as a human being.

Seriously.

Full perle is roughly the equivelant of showing up to a job interview unbathed and wearing a bathrobe.

Don't.

I love everything about this comment :D
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-10 13:16:57  
Reward set for me, put on +2 body when fighting a heavy enfeeb mob and I don't use axes when i'm not in pet only set. The axes/hands/feet is 50% which is cap iirc. Reward set is very important and i agree it doesn't get as much attention as it should.
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By celerez 2012-08-10 13:19:20  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
Reward set for me, put on +2 body when fighting a heavy enfeeb mob and I don't use axes when i'm not in pet only set. The axes/hands/feet is 50% which is cap iirc. Reward set is very important and i agree it doesn't get as much attention as it should.


I'm still waiting on twilight body/head >.<
brewed with blue more times than I can think... and still no drop.
but hey... I got all the other pieces sans the dagger lol;;;

With that set though you shouldn't need Theta biscuits ^^
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-10 13:24:50  
They are only like 10k more a stack here sometimes even less then that like 5k so i just let pets hp get down to 30% before i pop one.
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By celerez 2012-08-10 13:25:36  
Bismarck.Bongarippa said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Quote:
you could show up in perle gear

But some of us would prefer you have a little more pride in what you do to not be a total embarassment to us all by doing this.

Not as a BST. Not as a player.

If you show up in full perle to anything, I know enough about you to judge you as a human being.

Seriously.

Full perle is roughly the equivelant of showing up to a job interview unbathed and wearing a bathrobe.

Don't.

I love everything about this comment :D

Lets all remember... you gotta start somewhere. If Perle is what you got... and you are a BST main with nothing better to pluck out of your closet... wear it with pride and work hard to better you situation.

While I agree that you should have some pride in what you do... there's a limit people.
Our LS does events in bronze... just for fun... just to prove the "+2 or gtfo" mentality is BS.

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By celerez 2012-08-10 13:29:26  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
They are only like 10k more a stack here sometimes even less then that like 5k so i just let pets hp get down to 30% before i pop one.


Ah... on Bahamut its 13-16k a stack usually for zeta... and upwards of 40-60k a stack at times for Theta.

While I can afford it (can we say namis farming? amirite? -.o) I tend not to need them most of the time. I do keep a stack of Theta and a couple Mulsums on me for that "OH SHEET" moment.
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