PERSONALLY i think there's a huge gap between life imprisonment and the death penalty.
Their should be something in the middle. Where they can benefit society! Like maybe make them available for human/scientific testing!? Nothing major that would KILL them of course. E.g. vaccine testing
US Soldier Kills 16 - Where Should He Face Trial?
US soldier kills 16 - Where should he face trial?
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Removing a dysfunctional unit that can, and most probably will kill again if given the opportunity is all the practical benefit needed imo.
then why don't we kill all people who kill including cops who shoot people?
Yeah I like how you move the conversation from a nutjob who kills a bunch of unarmed civilians, and children in a war zone then confesses to a generic example of "anyone" including cops. That makes perfect sense, and does wonders for your argument.
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Removing a dysfunctional unit that can, and most probably will kill again if given the opportunity is all the practical benefit needed imo.
then why don't we kill all people who kill including cops who shoot people?
Yeah I like how you move the conversation from a nutjob who kills a bunch of unarmed civilians, and children in a war zone then confesses to a generic example of "anyone" including cops. That makes perfect sense, and does wonders for your argument.
Unarmed civilians in a war zone, you forget this part.
It was sarcasm to match your impossible stance.
Pretty sure you guys have moved from the primary discussion into discussing the death penalty, using this person vaguely as an instance, only because of the atrocity of his crime is an extreme. He's setting up an argument under the assumption that he is guilty – because variables in a discussion hamper the discussion. At least that's how I'm reading it. Maybe I'm projecting.
Also, if you'd just left it at eye for an eye Ject, it'd have been fine, but the Cop comment is what made it go a step over. If the executioner is executed for his job of executing, who executes the one who executed the executioner? And so on.
Also, if you'd just left it at eye for an eye Ject, it'd have been fine, but the Cop comment is what made it go a step over. If the executioner is executed for his job of executing, who executes the one who executed the executioner? And so on.
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Pretty sure you guys have moved from the primary discussion into discussing the death penalty, using this person vaguely as an instance, only because of the atrocity of his crime is an extreme. He's setting up an argument under the assumption that he is guilty – because variables in a discussion hamper the discussion. At least that's how I'm reading it. Maybe I'm projecting.
Also, if you'd just left it at eye for an eye Jet, it'd have been fine, but the Cop comment is what made it go a step over. If the executioner is executed for his job of executing, who executes the one who executed the executioner? And so on.
Also, if you'd just left it at eye for an eye Jet, it'd have been fine, but the Cop comment is what made it go a step over. If the executioner is executed for his job of executing, who executes the one who executed the executioner? And so on.
edit: since when is a cop an executioner?
this isn't JD
So we have A US Soldier throwing puppies off cliffs on youtube vids, Soldiers shooting others in their own base. Now this guy killing Civilians now we just need rape and pillaging on current times and a welcome to america sign :Q. This makes military's look bad.
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Apologies for the name, and... all I can do is sigh about the executioner question.
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Apologies for the name, and... all I can do is sigh about the executioner question.
why?
It's an anecdote of kin to "An eye-for-an-eye leaves the whole world blind." Cops are not executioners, but they are in a position where sometimes they must shoot-to-kill, which means it applies to them.
Thanzo187 said: »
So we have A US Soldier throwing puppies off cliffs on youtube vids, Soldiers shooting others in their own base. Now this guy killing Civilians now we just need rape and pillaging on current times and a welcome to america sign :Q. This makes military's look bad.
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
It's an anecdote of kin to "An eye-for-an-eye leaves the whole world blind." Cops are not executioners, but they are in a position where sometimes they must shoot-to-kill, which means it applies to them.
you're equating executing a captured prisoner to the need to shoot somebody in the field?
I think we're on two different topics Jet.
Police shouldn't be shooting to kill unless there is absolutely no other resort and police or others are in immediate life threatening danger.
I was just stating a point, I don't know here this convo is going anymore
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
I think we're on two different topics Jet.
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
And the US Government would trust the Japanese Government to offer a real trial, rather than a bunch of dirka dirkas deciding who cuts off his head first.
This why everyone hates us and thinks were a bunch of ignorant ***.
here let me reword this a little better
America and Japan are strong allies. US will trust japan to have a fair trial. Unlike in Afghanistan where many people are frustrated with US military and strongly oppose us even being in their country. He would not receive a fair trial.
Then tell me this. Would you rather shoot children that have bombs on them or you die with your friends. They dont play the same game as we do.
Yes because when every child is born in Afghanistan he or she is given a their vest of explosives day one.
anti-Country is not the same as a racist. So lets quit with the name calling and xenophobic *** kay? k
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Let's be honest. The military isn't getting the cream of the crop anymore. Yes, there are those who go in with the best of intentions, but lately they're pulling in the people who had no other alternatives. It was the military or slangin' cigarettes and lottery tickets at the 7-11 for $7.25 an hour.
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I have high respect for our US military, but Zahrah is right. The fact that they target high school seniors, particularly the ones that are not likely to go onto a 4-year university or junior college is just sad.
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Let's be honest. The military isn't getting the cream of the crop anymore. Yes, there are those who go in with the best of intentions, but lately they're pulling in the people who had no other alternatives. It was the military or slangin' cigarettes and lottery tickets at the 7-11 for $7.25 an hour.
Another reason for my inflexible stance on this being one of the few scenarios where capitol punishment is called for. Not only did he commit a string of heinous crimes then confess. He was not drafted into the military then cracked, and went on a rampage. He signed up for military service. Therefore the "this happened in a war zone" is not as relevant imo.
I would like to point out that only the army will really accept anyone.
The marines and other branches have more difficult academic/physical tests.
Though I'm sure they still get their share of "Less than ideal" people.
The marines and other branches have more difficult academic/physical tests.
Though I'm sure they still get their share of "Less than ideal" people.
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Cracked or not. Somethings when you do them. You lose your right to walk this earth.
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Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Let's be honest. The military isn't getting the cream of the crop anymore. Yes, there are those who go in with the best of intentions, but lately they're pulling in the people who had no other alternatives. It was the military or slangin' cigarettes and lottery tickets at the 7-11 for $7.25 an hour.
Another reason for my inflexible stance on this being one of the few scenarios where capitol punishment is called for. Not only did he commit a string of heinous crimes then confess. He was not drafted into the military then cracked, and went on a rampage. He signed up for military service. Therefore the "this happened in a war zone" is not as relevant imo.
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Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Let's be honest. The military isn't getting the cream of the crop anymore. Yes, there are those who go in with the best of intentions, but lately they're pulling in the people who had no other alternatives. It was the military or slangin' cigarettes and lottery tickets at the 7-11 for $7.25 an hour.
Another reason for my inflexible stance on this being one of the few scenarios where capitol punishment is called for. Not only did he commit a string of heinous crimes then confess. He was not drafted into the military then cracked, and went on a rampage. He signed up for military service. Therefore the "this happened in a war zone" is not as relevant imo.
You don't know him. His family could of forced him to sign in. Or he could of dropped out of HS to get a job because he impregnated some girl. Either way even if you willingly join the armed forces Doesn't mean that you can handle what you are put through over there.
Capitol punishment is never called for. Life in prison would be a fine call.
What's amazing is that there's people overseas that have no idea that 9/11 happened and simply know that they are being invaded. I think we should get out. Now.
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Let's be honest. The military isn't getting the cream of the crop anymore. Yes, there are those who go in with the best of intentions, but lately they're pulling in the people who had no other alternatives. It was the military or slangin' cigarettes and lottery tickets at the 7-11 for $7.25 an hour.
Another reason for my inflexible stance on this being one of the few scenarios where capitol punishment is called for. Not only did he commit a string of heinous crimes then confess. He was not drafted into the military then cracked, and went on a rampage. He signed up for military service. Therefore the "this happened in a war zone" is not as relevant imo.
You don't know him. His family could of forced him to sign in. Or he could of dropped out of HS to get a job because he impregnated some girl. Either way even if you willingly join the armed forces Doesn't mean that you can handle what you are put through over there.
Capitol punishment is never called for. Life in prison would be a fine call.
Still doesn't legitimize opening fire on a dozen or so people. You would think if those were the circumstances, he would have a little more compassion than most. Killing children is not okay.
I'd love to see how fast the "Capitol punishment is never O.K. crowd" would change their tune if their child had been senselessly executed by a rampaging ***.
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Let's be honest. The military isn't getting the cream of the crop anymore. Yes, there are those who go in with the best of intentions, but lately they're pulling in the people who had no other alternatives. It was the military or slangin' cigarettes and lottery tickets at the 7-11 for $7.25 an hour.
Another reason for my inflexible stance on this being one of the few scenarios where capitol punishment is called for. Not only did he commit a string of heinous crimes then confess. He was not drafted into the military then cracked, and went on a rampage. He signed up for military service. Therefore the "this happened in a war zone" is not as relevant imo.
You don't know him. His family could of forced him to sign in. Or he could of dropped out of HS to get a job because he impregnated some girl. Either way even if you willingly join the armed forces Doesn't mean that you can handle what you are put through over there.
Capitol punishment is never called for. Life in prison would be a fine call.
Still doesn't legitimize opening fire on a dozen or so people. You would think if those were the circumstances, he would have a little more compassion than most. Killing children is not okay.
I wasn't saying that it makes it ok. But it doesn't mean that he should be killed for it. especially before a psych exam. like i said life in prison sounds fine to me.
I hate capital punishment myself.But I beleive if you commit murder/sexual crimes. You loss your right to life.Should use the money it takes to keep them up and use it for someone who desreves to be in society. Sorry just my option.
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Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
I wasn't saying that it makes it ok. But it doesn't mean that he should be killed for it. especially before a psych exam. like i said life in prison sounds fine to me.
NP, but I'm sure it's not hard to flub a psych exam after the fact.
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