US Soldier Kills 16 - Where Should He Face Trial?

These are things that I see as additives. People attach these things to college, but that's not the original intent of higher-learning. The true dichotomy is that you can't be a doctor if you haven't learned the criteria for being a doctor, not that you can't be a doctor because you don't have a certificate.

I agree to a certain degree. Medicine is more of a trade than a science, the actual science is biology and chemistry. However the "paper" ensures commonality in standards of education. And shows the student has passed certain standards of learning. Employers need some quality of standard to measure potential employees.

The PhD is completely different. The doctor philosophiae, is a symbol of complete competence in your field, and related fields. It qualifies the individual internationally to teach in that field.


The worst/best part is a lot of NPs are still hourly and can do the whole work 2 weeks straight and bank-up on the 1.5/Double overtime. Hospitals/states have given NP's so much freaking power they can potentially make as much a physician. My bff's boyfriend is a NP and he makes 192k+ annually. GAG! lol

I'll agree to a point on the quality of standard, but the measurement of business potential, to me, is irrelevant. Perhaps only because of the example, since people's lives are at hand in the given instance.

If it were, say, an English Professor, then sure – a standard of quality for the employers, but I think that was a result of certifications, not the cause.

Back to the OP, He'll probably be tried in America and I hope he gets life in prison :/

Well the original "fields of academia" (literature, languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, psychology, and science) have expanded into subfields.

That quality of standard imo is important regardless of field. I wouldn't want an Art Historian misinterpreting paint strokes of Rembrant and then teaching students incorrectly. And i certainly wouldn't want the chemist who engineers antibiotics synthesizing the wrong compound. I would want the economist to drive a society into a depression because he failed calculus.

That's NICE!!! My God! How much experience does he have? I know that CA has a higher cost of living than TX. I wonder what that would be the equivalent to here. I would think half of that.

/googles

EDIT: LOLarthistory!

In the same vein, you can have someone who is ultimately more learned in Art History and Economics without having had a formal education.

Yet how could you evaluate this without some sort of standardized learning? Even with today's system of college and other institutions of learning everyone embellishes their resumes making it difficult to evaluate individuals without some show of commitment.

Stuff like:

"A facilitator of the procurement and distribution of edible creations to a varied and valued patronage through numerous channels whilst organizing and executing strategy and tactics via an elite staff of hired capital."

for a fast food manager.

He's 42yo, not totally sure how much experience he has. I think it may vary by state also cause i know NP's are basically physicians here in California. They can prescribe quite a bit without a physician. And the fact that they are hourly versus salary means they can really abuse the payroll. I remember an NP operating on my leg when i had a brown recluse bite, then i found out they were an NP. i was like "wheres the doctor?!" lol Then i found out afterwards how much they are capable of.

The thing is if i ran a museum would I want one? Do i want to place that risk? If i ran a city government would I hire them?

I think a good example, to support you, is a MD vs a PhD in Biochemistry. Ironically, we teach the MD's in medical school lol. But have no prescription power. The only thing a PhD in Biochemistry lacks vs a MD in terms of knowledge is the experience in surgery and psych medicine. So i see your point but some quality of standard is expected in modern times.

@Sparthosx: The world is complicated, no doubt. I think the evaluation process needs to be streamlined though; standardizing the learning process leads to a lack of critical thought and flexibility.

And I hate the current business climate. The reason people lie on their resumes is because of how ridiculously shallow said-evaluation processes currently are.

@Bacon: Said people would usually have credentials behind them, honestly. There would be some form of tangibility to their achievements, especially in they didn't have a degree. I agree with you on a lot of points, I'm just of the opinion that things need to be understood at a base point, at a current point, and with a future.

Critical thought isn't really expected from undergraduates, (thought you still end up doing it)that's graduate studies. B.A./B.S. is really you learning a 4-year syllabus. Graduate degrees require you apply that 4-year syllabus in the form of research.

Ill use the PhD process as example. As a Phd you are required to take 2 years of coursework that extends your undergrad. You must then perform semi-original research under an adviser and complete a dissertation(a book). At the end, your research and your competence is scrutinized heavily by your school in whats called "dissertation defense."

I meant the evaluation of hiring employees. The current resumé based system is pretty tired and inefficient.

I make semi-original commentary on these boards all the time and defend points that are heavily scrutinized by my peers...

Where's my PhD in forumology?!

Resume's/Curriculum Vitae issupposed to summarize your achievements, experience, schooling. Human resource managers can easily determine if your lieing about ur schooling. But because of privacy laws its very hard for them to scrutinize your experience beyond (Bob worked @ Bob Inc. for 2 years). Because schooling is the one thing HR managers know you can't lie about I think that emphasizes its importance.

LOL LOL ful of win!
Its not your peers. Its a bunch of old men, who were born during the Jurassic Period. So I guess we have to find you 3-5 men old as Colonel sanders to award you your PhD :) Also when i said "school" i meant dept chairs/proff's of the department. lolz

LOL LOL ful of win!
Its not your peers. Its a bunch of old men, who were born during the Jurassic Period. So I guess we have to find you 3-5 men old as Colonel sanders to award you your PhD :)[/quote]

Well, on this forum twenty-five is "old", so let's go ahead and throw the dog a bone. :)

You're old...

Question if Sparthosx was awarded his PhD in "forumology." What exactly would the syllabus/curriculum entail for your classes. It has to be something teachable that can be passed down lol

Core classes, a lot of extra english/grammar, critical thinking, and debate. Also, there would have to be a entire category of classes on developing complete thoughts before typing them out.

I love discussing things with sparth, he leaves emotion out of it and actually has a converstion, not a one sided "you're stoopid" and "nou" compilation of posts.

You too, sir. You too. :)


/ponders

Some courses would include:

Principles of Forumology
Elements of Forum Moderation
Getting 'in' Before the Lock
Trolls: A Case Study
Search Concepts and Applications
Forum Organization and Operations
History of Memes
Forum Literature I: ASL?
Forum Literature II: STFU FGT
Advanced Forum Applications
Integrated Forum Security
Forum Behavior


Important concepts would focus on questions such as:

Do women really exist on the internet?
When does one use the banhammer?
What is a troll? What can we learn from trolls?
Does postcount ever matter?
Is quotemining ever ok?
Why do people use the word 'password' as a forum password?
Circlejerks. How we avoid them?
How do you distinguish a troll from an idiot?

I think you should throw in Art History of Memes too. But impressive curriculum!

I think I'd minor in that.

Add...

When Lightening the Mood Gets Misinterpreted By a Mod: How It Goes Horribly Wrong

I only read the friggin title and figured enough of the responses would be from teenagers who understand nothing of the military.

This is simple, as anyone with military service clearly will understand. He'll have a court martial, and if not it will be done for media hype.


Oh, and isn't it interesting that in this shooting people clamor for trial and conviction 3 days afterward, yet the shooter at Ft. Hood begins trial 3 years after? Those of you who can see the parallels, I congratulate you on being awake.

how so?

You literally can't be a doctor or I should say a practicing one (in the states at least) if you don't have the certificate though. Makes the knowledge near useless without it.

So then, are you a doctor because of a certificate or because of what you are capable of?

because of a certificate

What I'm saying is whether you have the skills or not... without that certificate the knowledge is nearly useless and you can not legally do anything.

Edit: Personally I don't know of or hear of many doctors springing up without a formal education anyways... Not saying it's impossible but seems very unlikely.

It's because we have sub-categories that people stay in and don't move based on limitations. Nurses, EMTs, Paramedics, etc, are fields that coincide with medical doctors, and gain much of the same knowledge, but rarely extend, and never promote.