Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
then neither is health care, housing or education.
yes they should, and no it's no different.
Police receive severe amounts of federal funding, see drug war.
"Are Women People?"
"Are Women People?"
then neither is health care, housing or education.
yes they should, and no it's no different.
Police receive severe amounts of federal funding, see drug war.
Bahamut.Kara said: »
What is your definition of socialism and why do you believe America has not had socialist tendencies for many years?
"The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves."
— John Adams, U.S. President, 1785 [32]
Public education is not listed as an amendment in the US constitution but it has been advocated for many years. Does this make the founding fathers socialists?
Or does this mean maybe the founding fathers of 230 years ago didn't create a document that perfectly understands all future generations needs?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say most of those men were smarty than any politician we've had in the past 50 years.
That being said as educated and experienced as they were I'm sure they concluded that some "socialist" policies were good.
but hey that's my take on it.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
then neither is health care, housing or education.
yes they should, and no it's no different.
Police receive severe amounts of federal funding, see drug war.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
good example of the needs of the many outweigh the rights of a few. Thanks for debunking yourself.
As for your earlier post, the Patriot Act was not a GOP idea, and did not sit well with the rank-and-file. In other words, the GOP was acting like liberals. I would need actual citations for what ArticleVI violations that occurred. As for VA, I don't accept state-level GOPers as speaking for the national party. I am not familiar with those cases, so could you provide citations please?
Kara said:
"The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and be willing to bear the expenses of it. There should not be a district of one mile square, without a school in it, not founded by a charitable individual, but maintained at the public expense of the people themselves."
— John Adams, U.S. President, 1785
— John Adams, U.S. President, 1785
John Adams was a secret socialist sympathizer. True story.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
According to a report done in 2005, there were 134,372,678 people who filed their taxes.
According to IRS records in 2005 Planned Parenthood received $305.3 million dollars from a combination of federal, state, and local governments.
Doing the math it comes out to an average of $22.72 for each tax payer for that year. That's not much at all.
Now consider that they get less than a 1/3 of that now. So all this gripping over what, $7.50 a year to help control unwanted pregnancies that would inevitably cost the country a lot more.
RIDICULOUS!
According to IRS records in 2005 Planned Parenthood received $305.3 million dollars from a combination of federal, state, and local governments.
Doing the math it comes out to an average of $22.72 for each tax payer for that year. That's not much at all.
Now consider that they get less than a 1/3 of that now. So all this gripping over what, $7.50 a year to help control unwanted pregnancies that would inevitably cost the country a lot more.
RIDICULOUS!
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
I'm going to go out on a limb and say most of those men were smarty than any politician we've had in the past 50 years.
That being said as educated and experienced as they were I'm sure they concluded that some "socialist" policies were good.
but hey that's my take on it.
I agree. Probably true about politicians too.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
According to a report done in 2005, there were 134,372,678 people who filed their taxes.
According to IRS records in 2005 Planned Parenthood received $305.3 million dollars from a combination of federal, state, and local governments.
Doing the math it comes out to an average of $22.72 for each tax payer for that year. That's not much at all.
Now consider that they get less than a 1/3 of that now. So all this gripping over what, $7.50 a year to help control unwanted pregnancies that would inevitably cost the country a lot more.
RIDICULOUS!
According to IRS records in 2005 Planned Parenthood received $305.3 million dollars from a combination of federal, state, and local governments.
Doing the math it comes out to an average of $22.72 for each tax payer for that year. That's not much at all.
Now consider that they get less than a 1/3 of that now. So all this gripping over what, $7.50 a year to help control unwanted pregnancies that would inevitably cost the country a lot more.
RIDICULOUS!
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
good example of the needs of the many outweigh the rights of a few. Thanks for debunking yourself.
As for your earlier post, the Patriot Act was not a GOP idea, and did not sit well with the rank-and-file. In other words, the GOP was acting like liberals. I would need actual citations for what ArticleVI violations that occurred. As for VA, I don't accept state-level GOPers as speaking for the national party. I am not familiar with those cases, so could you provide citations please?
no it's the rule.
I said they are both guilty.
As for VA the entire concept of trying to challenge a federal law because of a state law, and GOP is GOP.
Talking of them trying to say "Obamacare" is unconstitutional etc, which it isn't.
Not to mention that the very provision they are rallied against (GoP as a whole) the "mandate" was created by the GoP itself.
People say it in reference to Sandra Fluke... always quick to point it out when someone says the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for law students' BC.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
According to a report done in 2005, there were 134,372,678 people who filed their taxes.
According to IRS records in 2005 Planned Parenthood received $305.3 million dollars from a combination of federal, state, and local governments.
Doing the math it comes out to an average of $22.72 for each tax payer for that year. That's not much at all.
Now consider that they get less than a 1/3 of that now. So all this gripping over what, $7.50 a year to help control unwanted pregnancies that would inevitably cost the country a lot more.
RIDICULOUS!
According to IRS records in 2005 Planned Parenthood received $305.3 million dollars from a combination of federal, state, and local governments.
Doing the math it comes out to an average of $22.72 for each tax payer for that year. That's not much at all.
Now consider that they get less than a 1/3 of that now. So all this gripping over what, $7.50 a year to help control unwanted pregnancies that would inevitably cost the country a lot more.
RIDICULOUS!
In 2005 the Iraq war cost us about 82 billion dollars.
82 billion comes to about $610.24 for each tax payer for the year. Now you have something to complain about, financially.
Now if for some reason Planned Parenthood funds suddenly go from less than 100 million to in the tens of billion, then you have a legitimate complaint.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
no it's the rule.
As for VA the entire concept of trying to challenge a federal law because of a state law, and GOP is GOP.
Talking of them trying to say "Obamacare" is unconstitutional etc, which it isn't.
Not to mention that the very provision they are rallied against (GoP as a whole) the "mandate" was created by the GoP itself.
GOP is NOT GOP. The only extrapolation you can draw is to other VA GOPers. Which law were they challenging? For all we know they could have a case. And yes, Obamacare IS unconstitutional, because there is no constitutional authority for it. They argue for it under the much-abused "interstate commerce"concept, even though it doesn't meet the minimum criteria.
Like I said, I will need specifics on these cases.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
no it's the rule.
As for VA the entire concept of trying to challenge a federal law because of a state law, and GOP is GOP.
Talking of them trying to say "Obamacare" is unconstitutional etc, which it isn't.
Not to mention that the very provision they are rallied against (GoP as a whole) the "mandate" was created by the GoP itself.
GOP is NOT GOP. The only extrapolation you can draw is to other VA GOPers. Which law were they challenging? For all we know they could have a case. And yes, Obamacare IS unconstitutional, because there is no constitutional authority for it. They argue for it under the much-abused "interstate commerce"concept, even though it doesn't meet the minimum criteria.
Like I said, I will need specifics on these cases.
it's a rule of society that the needs of the many outweighs the rights of the few, that's fact.
GOP is GOP, state, local, federal. doesn't matter.
It is not unconstitutional, even if it were, it's damn near identical to GOP proposed legislation in response to Clintoncare, you all are just pissed that it was passed by liberals.
Whiny bunch of babies.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
People say it in reference to Sandra Fluke... always quick to point it out when someone says the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for law students' BC.
We said they didn't fund abortions.
I already clarified myself when I came close to saying anything close to no public funding of Planned Parenthood.
The whole public debate came into action when they wanted to include birth control to workers already paying into their health insurance. I thought I said that already.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
To keep things the same, in 2005 19.7 Billion dollars was given out in foreign aid. $146.61 for the year for each tax payer.
In 2005 the Iraq war cost us about 82 billion dollars.
82 billion comes to about $610.24 for each tax payer for the year. Now you have something to complain about, financially.
Now if for some reason Planned Parenthood funds suddenly go from less than 100 million to in the tens of billion, then you have a legitimate complaint.
In 2005 the Iraq war cost us about 82 billion dollars.
82 billion comes to about $610.24 for each tax payer for the year. Now you have something to complain about, financially.
Now if for some reason Planned Parenthood funds suddenly go from less than 100 million to in the tens of billion, then you have a legitimate complaint.
While agree the BC makes more financial sense than the kid on gov assistance and then likely in prison, to me it is like a guy holding a bat near my windshield and saying "give me $10 or I'll do $200 worth of damage to your car." F him and F anyone who thinks I owe them money.
also I said that they are trying to challenge a federal law based on a state law, which is ludicrous as anyone who's read the constitution knows that there's a supremacy clause.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
it's a rule of society that the needs of the many outweighs the rights of the few, that's fact.
GOP is GOP, state, local, federal. doesn't matter.
It is not unconstitutional, even if it were, it's damn near identical to GOP proposed legislation in response to Clintoncare, you all are just pissed that it was passed by liberals.
Whiny bunch of babies.
GOP is GOP, state, local, federal. doesn't matter.
It is not unconstitutional, even if it were, it's damn near identical to GOP proposed legislation in response to Clintoncare, you all are just pissed that it was passed by liberals.
Whiny bunch of babies.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
To keep things the same, in 2005 19.7 Billion dollars was given out in foreign aid. $146.61 for the year for each tax payer.
In 2005 the Iraq war cost us about 82 billion dollars.
82 billion comes to about $610.24 for each tax payer for the year. Now you have something to complain about, financially.
Now if for some reason Planned Parenthood funds suddenly go from less than 100 million to in the tens of billion, then you have a legitimate complaint.
In 2005 the Iraq war cost us about 82 billion dollars.
82 billion comes to about $610.24 for each tax payer for the year. Now you have something to complain about, financially.
Now if for some reason Planned Parenthood funds suddenly go from less than 100 million to in the tens of billion, then you have a legitimate complaint.
While agree the BC makes more financial sense than the kid on gov assistance and then likely in prison, to me it is like a guy holding a bat near my windshield and saying "give me $10 or I'll do $200 worth of damage to your car." F him and F anyone who thinks I owe them money.
It's not YOUR money it's the US governments money, they let you use it.
Taxes are the price you pay to live in society if you don't want to pay taxes don't live in society.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
also I said that they are trying to challenge a federal law based on a state law, which is ludicrous as anyone who's read the constitution knows that there's a supremacy clause.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
it's a rule of society that the needs of the many outweighs the rights of the few, that's fact.
GOP is GOP, state, local, federal. doesn't matter.
It is not unconstitutional, even if it were, it's damn near identical to GOP proposed legislation in response to Clintoncare, you all are just pissed that it was passed by liberals.
Whiny bunch of babies.
GOP is GOP, state, local, federal. doesn't matter.
It is not unconstitutional, even if it were, it's damn near identical to GOP proposed legislation in response to Clintoncare, you all are just pissed that it was passed by liberals.
Whiny bunch of babies.
You assume the gop version was the lesser evil, funny.
It's not an imagination that's fact.
Romney is a moron as are the rest of the GOP front runners, they produce pathetic nuts to run, it shows the true colors of the GOP that they don't know their *** from a hole in Babylon.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
also I said that they are trying to challenge a federal law based on a state law, which is ludicrous as anyone who's read the constitution knows that there's a supremacy clause.
it doesn't matter they don't have a case either way, regardless of the time frame federal law trumps state law every time.
Also it's been in the news, google it.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
It's not YOUR money it's the US governments money, they let you use it.
Taxes are the price you pay to live in society if you don't want to pay taxes don't live in society.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
To keep things the same, in 2005 19.7 Billion dollars was given out in foreign aid. $146.61 for the year for each tax payer.
In 2005 the Iraq war cost us about 82 billion dollars.
82 billion comes to about $610.24 for each tax payer for the year. Now you have something to complain about, financially.
Now if for some reason Planned Parenthood funds suddenly go from less than 100 million to in the tens of billion, then you have a legitimate complaint.
In 2005 the Iraq war cost us about 82 billion dollars.
82 billion comes to about $610.24 for each tax payer for the year. Now you have something to complain about, financially.
Now if for some reason Planned Parenthood funds suddenly go from less than 100 million to in the tens of billion, then you have a legitimate complaint.
While agree the BC makes more financial sense than the kid on gov assistance and then likely in prison, to me it is like a guy holding a bat near my windshield and saying "give me $10 or I'll do $200 worth of damage to your car." F him and F anyone who thinks I owe them money.
Makes sense.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Also it's been in the news, google it.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
It's not YOUR money it's the US governments money, they let you use it.
Taxes are the price you pay to live in society if you don't want to pay taxes don't live in society.
I believe in private property, but money isn't your property.
Calling *** on your asshat statistic.
I actually lean rather center, voted libertarian in 2008, but have since moved away from that ideal set.
I can understand the ideals but also understand how they are flawed, I've come to my own conclusions, much unlike yourself.
Also: strawman.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
So war, let's pay since we're forced to cause we don't know the good or bad it has done for years to come, but like hell I'll pay $7.50 (probably less with credits and stuff) a year to let everyone have access to birth control.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
Also it's been in the news, google it.
this one you incapable person:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/qa-virginia-attorney-general-states-lawsuit-against-obamacare-not-about-health
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
So war, let's pay since we're forced to cause we don't know the good or bad it has done for years to come, but like hell I'll pay $7.50 (probably less with credits and stuff) a year to let everyone have access to birth control.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
So war, let's pay since we're forced to cause we don't know the good or bad it has done for years to come, but like hell I'll pay $7.50 (probably less with credits and stuff) a year to let everyone have access to birth control.
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
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