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How Christians can Make the World a Better Place
 Caitsith.Sai
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 14:01:13
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Because I am good without God. Is that not proof enough?
My hatred is for theists that justify injustices in the name of their theism. I see nothing wrong with that.
On the last paragraph, I'm still looking for the answer. But 'god' is a pretty shitty answer.
I find it difficult to understand arguments against the subjective undefinable subject of god,faith and religion that make use of subjective and undefinable terms.
Good, Bad, Right, Wrong, Justice, Injustice. These are subjective concepts that don't mean anything.
In fact by using them in your statement you are displaying faith that the reader shares a definition of the concept that is close enough to yours that the statement still makes sense.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 14:01:14
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »I'm just curious, since God is "shitty," have you ever asked yourself...well what if God actually ends up being the answer. Because it's still a very real possibility, because nothing has been ruled out at this point.
Now, I am not asking you to believe just as a safety precaution, because that is a fallacy and you will never fool God, but let's say you die and now you are standing before him to be judged and he reminds you of everything you said, are you going to hate all Christians then?
A) I never said I hate all Christians.
B) I will still hate all Christians who committed atrocities in the name of him.
C) If he did commit the atrocities the bible claims he did, then I will still hate him for that, and for being omnipotent and allowing evil to exist.
How can he abolish evil and still test us for our worthiness in the face of temptation? If evil didn't exist, well then free will really wouldn't exist.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:03:25
Good by whose standards? Also, How are you good? You talk about God condemning people for reasons that he should not yet you condemn people for your own reasons. You condemn people for simply believing in something even though they most likely do not support any of the things you talk about. You give no solutions to the plights we face only the statement that you believe that religion is to blame for it.
Good by societal standards, good enough that even people who believe that I should be sent to hell for blasphemy think I'm a good fellow.
I am good because I regularly go out of my way to assist those in need. I am good because I donate a portion of my income to people in need. I am good because I volunteer to help people.
I am good because I do things that are known to be beneficial to others, even when they are at a massive inconvenience to myself.
I speak against people for believing claims without evidence, as well as spreading them, because blind faith is intellectually dishonest and logically not sensible. I speak against it in the same way I speak against cheating on tests.
I have given possible solutions: a higher focus on education, a less focus on belief and a higher focus on analyzing, widespread social equality, and so on. In the previous topic you chose to speak against me because I did not have 100% perfect plans by the age of 19 to enact a worldwide spread of these things, or something.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:04:52
If that's true than I'll let you know that it exactly how you come off.
Oh, I bet you'd absolutely ***yourself watching a Hitchens video then.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-19 14:05:23
If he is real, then he is the ruler of the universe and the creator of everything, including what it means to be a tyrant, and he has already excluded himself from that.
Again with the arguments that we can't put any qualities to God but believers continuously apply qualities like loving, sacrificing, all powerful, omnibenevolent.
So you can apply 'good' terms to God but when you judge some of the less spoken about acts like the flood we cannot draw any negative qualities like 'tyrannical' or 'cruel'.
If a mother kills her baby tomorrow by drowning it in the bathtub with the explanation that "God commanded her to" or "She did it to spare the baby a life of sorrow" everyone immediately labels this woman a monster but if God wipes out the whole planet in a flood caused by frustration that his creations were running amok, it's a loving thing to do.
Tell me, why shouldn't people do what God does? Further, how can you apply positive properties to God and at the same time deny any negative qualities if you pull things solely from the text?
You can't have it both ways.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 14:06:05
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »If that's true than I'll let you know that it exactly how you come off.
Oh, I bet you'd absolutely ***yourself watching a Hitchens video then.
And I am pretty sure people will remind you that militant and aggressive atheism, such as Hitchens, is just as bad as religious extremists and zealots.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:06:20
Thank you, you are far more eloquent and level-headed than I am. Apparently I'm a useless waste of an arrogant hateful whiner, or something.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 14:06:29
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » If that's true than I'll let you know that it exactly how you come off. Oh, I bet you'd absolutely ***yourself watching a Hitchens video then. Why would I? It wouldn't surprise me that there are other people out there that hold just as much or more contempt for their fellow human beings.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:06:47
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »If that's true than I'll let you know that it exactly how you come off.
Oh, I bet you'd absolutely ***yourself watching a Hitchens video then.
And I am pretty sure people will remind you that militant and aggressive atheism, such as Hitchens, is just as bad as religious extremists and zealots.
Oh yes, because pointing out the evils of religion is as bad as suicide bombings!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:07:20
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » If that's true than I'll let you know that it exactly how you come off. Oh, I bet you'd absolutely ***yourself watching a Hitchens video then. Why would I? It wouldn't surprise me that there are other people out there that hold just as much or more contempt for their fellow human beings.
I'm the one that speaks against the mass genocide of human beings and I'm the one with contempt?
Not the guys who justify slaughtering them?
Oh, this is a riot.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 14:07:35
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »You're missing the key element that those morals, rationales and the knowledge of good/bad (right/wrong) all came from our creator.
Prove it. There is no proving it one way or another. Like earlier stated, how does one decide what is right and what is wrong? There are two influences on that. The first is our upbringing. If we are told something from the time we are born, it has an effect on our belief of it. The second being or experience in life. If we are told that stealing is wrong, and watch people go to jail, or break people's hearts by stealing, we formulate that it is wrong. We then pass that on to our kids.
Where did morals originate? That is unknown. For me, I believe they were passed onto us by God (by whatever means), because we weren't satisfied with just existing. We wanted to know what God knew. We ate the forbidden fruit (not literally more than likely figuratively). We chose to stop just existing, and try to be the judge of things. We decided "this is right, this is wrong" "this is good, this is evil". In that, we are to be measured by the rules we have created. Had we not been so eager to put ourselves on the same playing field as God, we would not have those expectations to live up to. We would have been innocent in His eyes. That was the life He wanted for us. We alone screwed that up.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:09:14
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »You're missing the key element that those morals, rationales and the knowledge of good/bad (right/wrong) all came from our creator.
Prove it. There is no proving it one way or another. Like earlier stated, how does one decide what is right and what is wrong? There are two influences on that. The first is our upbringing. If we are told something from the time we are born, it has an effect on our belief of it. The second being or experience in life. If we are told that stealing is wrong, and watch people go to jail, or break people's hearts by stealing, we formulate that it is wrong. We then pass that on to our kids.
Where did morals originate? That is unknown.
I think you would be interested in reading ' The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values' by the neuroscientist Sam Harris. It was a very enlightening read on this issue.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 14:09:14
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If he is real, then he is the ruler of the universe and the creator of everything, including what it means to be a tyrant, and he has already excluded himself from that.
Again with the arguments that we can't put any qualities to God but believers continuously apply qualities like loving, sacrificing, all powerful, omnibenevolent.
So you can apply 'good' terms to God but when you judge some of the less spoken about acts like the flood we cannot draw any negative qualities like 'tyrannical' or 'cruel'.
The Bible clearly states that all occupants of the planet had become wicked and that was why the flood took place. To put it in your terms, the people of the planet all looked like a bunch of Hitlers to God. I bet you wouldn't cry over people killing a society of Hitlers.
If a mother kills her baby tomorrow by drowning it in the bathtub with the explanation that "God commanded her to" or "She did it to spare the baby a life of sorrow" everyone immediately labels this woman a monster but if God wipes out the whole planet in a flood caused by frustration that his creations were running amok, it's a loving thing to do.
God doesn't speak directly with us anymore. Your example is moot at best.
Tell me, why shouldn't people do what God does? Further, how can you apply positive properties to God and at the same time deny any negative qualities if you pull things solely from the text?
The greatest trick the devil ever played was to convince the world he doesn't exist and then he disappeared.
You can't have it both ways.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-19 14:09:35
He didn't? I don't recall Jesus having slaves.
He had His reasons for commanding the Israelites to do things (probably because of how persecuted they were at the time).
Why do atheists always fall back on the OT, which isn't even a Christian covenant with God, as their means of debate?
Jesus is the God of the OT. Why do you continually separate the actions of the OT with the NT? Did the same being not write the rules?
What were the reasons for allowing slavery to prosper in your opinion? Again, you have claimed God is the origin of all morality yet one of the most immoral practices was allowed in his first pact with the Israelites. The practice of slavery further finds itself in the NT - your current covenant with the creator of all.
Treatment of women? Still far below our current standards in the present day if we were to follow the OT/NT to the letter.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 14:10:06
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »If that's true than I'll let you know that it exactly how you come off.
Oh, I bet you'd absolutely ***yourself watching a Hitchens video then.
And I am pretty sure people will remind you that militant and aggressive atheism, such as Hitchens, is just as bad as religious extremists and zealots.
Oh yes, because pointing out the evils of religion is as bad as suicide bombings!
Attacking someone for believing in God and calling them stupid for it, is the same as me telling you, you are going to burn in hell for not believing.
By Artemicion 2012-01-19 14:10:12
If I could give God any qualities based on what we have to observe as human beings, I'd say he's bi-polar; or apathetic at best.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 14:10:37
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If he is real, then he is the ruler of the universe and the creator of everything, including what it means to be a tyrant, and he has already excluded himself from that.
Again with the arguments that we can't put any qualities to God but believers continuously apply qualities like loving, sacrificing, all powerful, omnibenevolent.
So you can apply 'good' terms to God but when you judge some of the less spoken about acts like the flood we cannot draw any negative qualities like 'tyrannical' or 'cruel'.
If a mother kills her baby tomorrow by drowning it in the bathtub with the explanation that "God commanded her to" or "She did it to spare the baby a life of sorrow" everyone immediately labels this woman a monster but if God wipes out the whole planet in a flood caused by frustration that his creations were running amok, it's a loving thing to do.
Tell me, why shouldn't people do what God does? Further, how can you apply positive properties to God and at the same time deny any negative qualities if you pull things solely from the text?
You can't have it both ways.
I'm confused here, you think I believe in this stuff?
Religion is set up that way on purpose, it would be stupid to start a religion that could be fouled up so easily.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:13:42
Attacking someone for believing in God and calling them stupid for it, is the same as me telling you, you are going to burn in hell for not believing.
I would hardly place them on the same level.
There is no evidence for believing that pasta is an ancient sentient species of aliens, and if someone believes that then honestly, they are stupid.
Your claiming that I'm killing someone by eating my pasta, and that I should suffer for an eternity because of it.
I'm claiming you're stupid because you believe the pasta is real because of a Strega Nona fanfic.
One of our arguments has a basis in reality. One of them does not.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 14:14:04
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »He didn't? I don't recall Jesus having slaves.
He had His reasons for commanding the Israelites to do things (probably because of how persecuted they were at the time).
Why do atheists always fall back on the OT, which isn't even a Christian covenant with God, as their means of debate?
Jesus is the God of the OT. Why do you continually separate the actions of the OT with the NT? Did the same being not write the rules?
What were the reasons for allowing slavery to prosper in your opinion? Again, you have claimed God is the origin of all morality yet one of the most immoral practices was allowed in his first pact with the Israelites. The practice of slavery further finds itself in the NT - your current covenant with the creator of all.
Treatment of women? Still far below our current standards in the present day if we were to follow the OT/NT to the letter.
"Jesus is the God of the OT." Um...no.
The Bible never condemns or approves of slavery, it just lists guidelines on how they should be treated. It even references that one such slave would inherit it's masters estate. How do you know that the slavery in the Bible is the same slavery as in colonial US times.
Don't ask me to tell you what God was thinking, I do not have the arrogance it would take to think I could understand what a being above you and me was doing.
The Bible is pretty clear on how a man should treat his wife, and most people, atheist and theist alike are far below the standard he set.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-01-19 14:14:50
Circles. This thread is going in them.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 14:15:23
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »You're missing the key element that those morals, rationales and the knowledge of good/bad (right/wrong) all came from our creator.
Prove it. There is no proving it one way or another. Like earlier stated, how does one decide what is right and what is wrong? There are two influences on that. The first is our upbringing. If we are told something from the time we are born, it has an effect on our belief of it. The second being or experience in life. If we are told that stealing is wrong, and watch people go to jail, or break people's hearts by stealing, we formulate that it is wrong. We then pass that on to our kids.
Where did morals originate? That is unknown.
I think you would be interested in reading ' The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values' by the neuroscientist Sam Harris. It was a very enlightening read on this issue. I'll be happy to read that, but keep in mind; what allows for our brains to produce higher thinking? We are more developed than other beings we can research, but it's still just a ball of nerves. What makes them 'create' value to things. Science is merely an avenue of biological understanding to theoretical issues. By one process, you can never fully answer the questions of the other.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-19 14:15:32
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Attacking someone for believing in God and calling them stupid for it, is the same as me telling you, you are going to burn in hell for not believing.
I would hardly place them on the same level.
There is no evidence for believing that pasta is an ancient sentient species of aliens, and if someone believes that then honestly, they are stupid.
Your claiming that I'm killing someone by eating my pasta, and that I should suffer for an eternity because of it.
I'm claiming you're stupid because you believe the pasta is real because of a Strega Nona fanfic.
One of our arguments has a basis in reality. One of them does not.
And if that person chose to privately worship his spaghetti and found the cure for cancer, well by your standards, they are still stupid.
By Artemicion 2012-01-19 14:15:54
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:18:08
I'll be happy to read that, but keep in mind; what allows for our brains to produce higher thinking? We are more developed than other beings we can research, but it's still just a ball of nerves. What makes them 'create' value to things. Science is merely an avenue of biological understanding to theoretical issues. By one process, you can never fully answer the questions of the other.
I took a course on the higher thinking bit 3 years ago, but what it boils down to was something about slow and gradual change through millions of years and adaptations. Language was the big jump, because apparently with language the survivability of those that could grasp it further and further were drastically higher than those that could not.
Too bad I lost my plan for that course. Had all the topics. Romance Philology and evolution came together wonderfully.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 14:19:09
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » Good by whose standards? Also, How are you good? You talk about God condemning people for reasons that he should not yet you condemn people for your own reasons. You condemn people for simply believing in something even though they most likely do not support any of the things you talk about. You give no solutions to the plights we face only the statement that you believe that religion is to blame for it. Good by societal standards, good enough that even people who believe that I should be sent to hell for blasphemy think I'm a good fellow. I am good because I regularly go out of my way to assist those in need. I am good because I donate a portion of my income to people in need. I am good because I volunteer to help people. I am good because I do things that are known to be beneficial to others, even when they are at a massive inconvenience to myself. I speak against people for believing claims without evidence, as well as spreading them, because blind faith is intellectually dishonest and logically not sensible. I speak against it in the same way I speak against cheating on tests. I have given possible solutions: a higher focus on education, a less focus on belief and a higher focus on analyzing, widespread social equality, and so on. In the previous topic you chose to speak against me because I did not have 100% perfect plans by the age of 19 to enact a worldwide spread of these things, or something. And? I know many theists who have done the same things you list as good yet you belittle them...
Suggesting a higher focus on education... Ok I can get behind that. How would you go about that? I mean many people have suggested that and well here we are. Ahigher focus on analyzing and less of a focus on belief... Ok, what would you deem are the things we need to focus more on analyzing? Which things are ok to focus on with our beliefs? Widespread social Equality... I can get behind this as well. How will you go about pursuing this goal? Many injustices have been weeded out over the centuries but still inequality remains on many different levels. What would be your approach to put this to an end?
I'm not really speaking against you as much as taking the other side of the argument. You hold ideals close but you have no plan of action. I can name 2 or three things that I want to happen too. Also you speak of equality yet you talk of abolishing people's faith... how does that bring us closer to equality? You think because you feel you are on the right side that you can tell people how to live and what to do? What makes your side right? How can you generalize the way you do? There are people out there I bet that have lived a much better life than you (based on the fact that you get so angry and condemn people for their beliefs) and they are theists.
You want some advice on how to make this world a better place? Be the bigger man. Stop spending so much energy on telling people how they are wrong and spend that energy on being an example on how to live well. Assaulting someone's faith is going to do nothing but stir up more hatred in th world.
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By Odin.Daemun 2012-01-19 14:19:40
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »He didn't? I don't recall Jesus having slaves.
He had His reasons for commanding the Israelites to do things (probably because of how persecuted they were at the time).
Why do atheists always fall back on the OT, which isn't even a Christian covenant with God, as their means of debate?
Jesus is the God of the OT. Why do you continually separate the actions of the OT with the NT? Did the same being not write the rules?
What were the reasons for allowing slavery to prosper in your opinion? Again, you have claimed God is the origin of all morality yet one of the most immoral practices was allowed in his first pact with the Israelites. The practice of slavery further finds itself in the NT - your current covenant with the creator of all.
Treatment of women? Still far below our current standards in the present day if we were to follow the OT/NT to the letter.
"Jesus is the God of the OT." Um...no.
The Bible never condemns or approves of slavery, it just lists guidelines on how they should be treated. It even references that one such slave would inherit it's masters estate. How do you know that the slavery in the Bible is the same slavery as in colonial US times.
Don't ask me to tell you what God was thinking, I do not have the arrogance it would take to think I could understand what a being above you and me was doing.
The Bible is pretty clear on how a man should treat his wife, and most people, atheist and theist alike are far below the standard he set. Remember, in the majority of cases; the term "slave/servant" in the OT had a vastly different meaning than what is carried today. When discussing of say the Hebrews under the Egyptian rule, they were 'enslaved peoples' a 'slave servant' 'man servant' etc was a term for people that were given a better life by those of better economical or clerical status. These people were often treated like family, and essentially 'adopted' at some point of their life, so that they inherited the clout and estate in the same manner a spouse or child would.
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By Caitsith.Sai 2012-01-19 14:19:43
Circles. This thread is going in them.
Circles. Fun to spin in when bored at work.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 14:20:13
Circles. This thread is going in them. Pointless posts, you are making them!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-19 14:21:48
The Bible clearly states that all occupants of the planet had become wicked and that was why the flood took place. To put it in your terms, the people of the planet all looked like a bunch of Hitlers to God. I bet you wouldn't cry over people killing a society of Hitlers.
Terrible example and a Godwin's law at that. God is all-powerful and the origin of all morality - he should have the capability to have solved that problem without mass genocide. I guess I just have higher standards from a being that is all powerful.
A simple mindwipe (mass-amnesia) could have solved the entire problem without violently drowning everyone on the planet. Painless, solves the problem of wickedness and leaves a human race ready to start anew. Like a PC that's been reformatted.
The only reason we get the story of a mass genocide is because that's all the Bronze age authors could come up with. It's really proof the whole thing could have referred to something that may have truly happened (like a regional flood caused by the rivers) that got embellished over time and repeated telling. The telephone game run wild.
Quote: God doesn't speak directly with us anymore. Your example is moot at best.
Who says? Are you saying God couldn't speak to someone today if he wanted to? How could you prove he didn't tell that woman to kill her child in an Abraham-style test of faith? Why so quick to dismiss?
Quote: The greatest trick the devil ever played was to convince the world he doesn't exist and then he disappeared.
The old devil excuse. God wipes out mankind in the flood out of frustration from our wicked ways but the lord of all evil apparently never frustrates God into doing anything about under the guise of "he has free will". Tell me, didn't those pre-flood inhabitants not have free will?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2012-01-19 14:21:48
And if that person chose to privately worship his spaghetti and found the cure for cancer, well by your standards, they are still stupid.
Yes, they are stupid for believing in the spaghetti--oh, how delightfully naughty that sounds-and perhaps deluded, but there is a difference between having a stupid belief and being a stupid person.
In the aspects of belief, believing the absurdities makes you stupid for holding that belief. Plenty of intelligent people can believe--though I do wonder, why--and I attribute the majority of that to childhood indoctrination.
These are commandments in the Bible for Christians to act in our world. They were part of a lesson at my church two Sundays ago. I am not a fan of the 'if God weren't real' hypothetical situation myself, but taking that stance, let's look at the following.
Quote: James 1:27-Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Quote: Ephesians 4:32-Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. Quote: Matthew 7:1-4-Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Quote: Acts 2:43-44-Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Quote: Galatians 5:22-23-But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Now, with those verses stated; I am no supporter of taking things out of context to obscure the truth of a passage, as you all know. I am not taking these things out of context to prove some hair brained, conjured truth. No, I am picking these verses as a challenge to all whom may read this that call themselves Christians. Do these things in your daily walk. If you do nothing else, do these things out of Love. Pure, unbiased, selfless love.
I think it is fairly safe to assume that theists and non theists alike can agree that if all proclaimed Christians did these simple tasks; cared for the orphaned and widowed, sold their possessions to take care of the needy, be kind and forgiving, be non-judgmental, and produce the fruits of the spirit: that each Christian would leave this world a better place than they came into it. Remove entirely the possibility of God's existence, or an eternal life. Simply look at those works, and the innate selflessness built into them. Would this world not be better?
With that said, here is my basis for the love message I have been so adamant about lately. It is also the basis in which I tie every facet of my belief and life unto.
Quote: 1 Corinthians 13-If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
This is the second covenant God created with man. It is no longer about following certain, strict rules for fear of hell. It is about a lifestyle that all thoughts and actions are derived from love. Doing things out of love for others makes those things not a sin. It is no longer the action, but the reason behind the action. 1 Corinthians goes on a few more verses to discuss love further. I think it would be good for theists and non alike to at least read up until 13:13.
I plead to you, community of FFXIAH, to hold me accountable to all things of these verses in what I do and say on here. If I am outside of the realm of these, please let me know and I will apologize and correct accordingly. I challenge all other Christians to stick to these tenants as well, and you can bet that I will (out of love) hold you accountable.
If you tl;dr, I'm sorry it wasn't worth your time. If you did read, I am open to your thoughts and criticisms.
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