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By Phoenix.Dignitas 2012-05-01 22:39:57  
Bahamut.Illyst said: »
this may be a stupid question, but please, bare with me. is there a way to write in a rule for spellcast to equip so and so while impetus is up, and to swap it out while its down? if so, please do tell. thanks!

Find and use Motenten's spellcast(s).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Khrnos 2012-05-01 23:33:55  
Bahamut.Illyst said: »
this may be a stupid question, but please, bare with me. is there a way to write in a rule for spellcast to equip so and so while impetus is up, and to swap it out while its down? if so, please do tell. thanks!

Pretty new to spellcast but I think something along of
This should work but I think there are other ways to do it with variables and include files and other things. I tried using Yugl's MNK xml and because I still don't really understand I find it a bit difficult to fix things if it's not doing what I want. For example, today during Lancing Lamorok it was equiping the PDTTP set for whatever reason and I'm not really sure what triggers that from lookingn at the rules.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2012-05-12 10:24:57  
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No haste is the main reason. And hagneia with +2 pants and rajas ring with vere gives you a very nice 5.5 TP instead of 5.3, enough to make your WS frequency pass up the 12 attack you'd get from potestas. Vere only though.
I am trying to see where we get 5.5 tp with that amount of sTP. I have been away from the game for a little while, so if something has changed I am ignorant of it. Here are my calculations:

Base Delay= 280
Vere Delay= 51
Total Delay= 331
Total sTP= 15

TP = X x (1 + 0.01 x Store TP)
where X = 5 + ((Delay - 180) x 6.5)/270)

X = 5 + ((331 - 180) x 6.5)/270)
X = 5 + (981.5/270)
X = 5 + 3.6351852
X = 8.6351852

TP = 8.6351852 x (1 + 0.01 x 15)
TP = 8.6351852 x 1.15
TP = 9.9 per attack round, 4.95 per fist
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-12 10:32:02  
H2H is calculated similar to dual wield. you have 331 delay combined, 165 delay each punch.

So you'd use the under 180 delay formula,

5+(165-180)*1.5/180 = 4.8

4.8 * 1.15 = 5.5
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2012-05-12 10:36:54  
Thanks, I knew I must have been missing something.
 
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-26 03:30:24  
If no Nomkhapa mittens, it's close to what I used to use. Vulcan's/Tantra Earring in attack capped depending if fSTR is capped, and potestas over thew for uncapped attack. Thaumas nails are decent on weaker mobs if you know your fSTR is capped, which isn't that often with Spharai having higher cap and no +15-20 STR on it like Vere does, so I generally use Tantra +2 all the time with spharai to be safe.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-05-26 03:39:51  
Have shura feet+1 with 5str 3da 4ka been mathed vs. tantra?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-26 03:41:16  
I haven't done them personally, no.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-05-26 04:04:20  
Quick math has tantra ahead before counting 8attacks per round limit.
So ya, nvm!
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-26 04:11:44  
WS frequency should close the gap some, but definitely not that much.
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2012-05-30 10:57:52  
Which neck piece should I aim to use for those few instances that Rancor Collar is a bad idea?
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By Sylph.Elgorian 2012-05-30 13:20:57  
Been away for 2 months, and had a question.

I see a lot of people using Thamus/Ganesha Mask combo, does this win over Tantra Cyclas +2 even with impetus up? Or does Tantra Cyclas +2 still win impetus up?

If it wins then I'm lookin at something like this I think:



if not then I'm prolly gonna be swappin Head/Body out during Impetus up/down?
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2012-05-30 13:29:48  
Sylph.Elgorian said: »
I see a lot of people using Thamus/Ganesha Mask combo, does this win over Tantra Cyclas +2 even with impetus up? Or does Tantra Cyclas +2 still win impetus up?


Sylph.Nikia said: »
Wanted to take a second and make sure I have all my info right. Are these 2 sets the best for TP?

Berserk UP


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Does Thaumas Nails, Myrmex Mittens, or anything I might be forgetting have any place in these sets?

Thanks for any advice.

This should answer your question.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-05-30 16:53:17  
Thaumas is better even with Impetus up. Literally anything else is not.
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2012-05-30 23:35:02  
It's been a while since I've been on MNK and I'm quite out of touch with what's good for TPing in these days. Since I just picked up a Thaumas Coat tonight I'm looking at what I need to improve in my current set. Below is my current TP set.



Things I know I need to get:
  • Ganesha's Mask

  • Ghillie Earring +1



Stuff I'm not sure about:
  • Melee Gloves +2 (I have but not sure if they beat out Tantra)

  • Athos's gear form the above post. The Hat/Hands combo seems weird to me.

  • EDIT: A neck piece to use for TP when Rancor Collar isn't appropriate.

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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-30 23:40:51  
Melee +2 are better. Athos's mix is if you're attack is capped but you don't have something like nomkhapa, and if you're using that set and can't rancor, use faith torque. But really, just use rancor.
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2012-05-30 23:43:17  
Where does Nomkhapa mittens come from?

EDIT: nvm I already knew the answer to that question >.<
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-30 23:45:18  
WOE Flux 15
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By Sylph.Elgorian 2012-05-31 09:29:44  
From what I've been reading, the bomblet should be a hagneia stone if using vere?
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2012-06-01 06:26:53  
yeah it should be. i just forgot to change it to that
 
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-06-02 00:10:19  
Well the people that said stone isn't needed calculated TP per hit wrong first of all, and secondly they did it from 0 to 100, which should only happen once per zone, really.

If you get 12 TP return on smite, which is almost always

88/5.5 = 16
88/5.5 = 16 and some decimals, which means 17 hits.
 
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-06-02 00:22:24  
Only really a good choice for vere though :(
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-06-02 00:52:36  
My only issue with things like hagneia stone is that hit builds are kinda dumb in the 1st place for non 2-handers.

I'm too lazy to math out how many hits per round are in a standard vereth tp set, but for example:

Let's say it's 2.5hits/round
Without Hagneia= 17 hits after WS= 6.8 attack rounds on average to WS= 7 attack rounds.
With Hagneia= 16 hits after WS= 6.4 attack rounds on average to WS= 7 attack rounds.

Now I don't know off the top of my head what the real attacks per round are, and Hagneia might actually drop an attack round on average, but it's not just as clear cut as Hagneia Stone definitively being better just because it takes 1 less hit to 100. On top of which most people aren't attentive enough to always WS right at 100TP anyway.

While the overflow caused by Hagneia can increase Smite's crit rate, I wouldn't say it would necessarily counter the loss of 15 attack during tp phase.

All that being said I don't ever use Verethragna anymore, but just wanted to point out that it's not as cut and dry when talking about pseudo hit builds for dual-wielder/h2h users.
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2012-06-03 19:25:21  
As far as hands go, if I'm not using Athos' combo, should I just stick with Ganesha's/Melee Gloves +2 combo? I predict it might take me a while to get Athos or nom~nom hands.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-06-03 19:26:54  
If you're attack is capped, you can use thaumas hat/tantra +2 gloves. will gain some STR, crit rate, and 1 base damage if you're not using faith torque.
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By Asura.Stryger 2012-06-05 23:51:36  
Have a question about my current TP set.



Would it be worth while to swap out the Tantra crown/boots for Ganesha's and Athos's Boots? Only ask because ive seen a few MNKs with that setup. (Also i don't really have any access to getting the Neo-Nyzul gear currently)
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-06-05 23:54:42  
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