Presidential Candidates .. Who Do You Like?

I'm glad you didn't we're not all this close minded and offensive. :)

I still want to know what's wrong with progress.

What has he been trying to do other than doing everything for himself? Oh you mean try to think about doing something for the country? Only at campaign time will he do that! :)

This all depends on what you believe is the cause and what is the effect.

Is our current political state a reflection of the naturally occurring divide between the people, OR is the harsh rhetoric we hear a response to our current political state?

I feel its more the latter, as I often witness people of different political viewpoints being cordial with each other & working together all the time in regular life.

google his accomplishments, it's not really that hard to do.

It's actually bigger than I thought, and they really should make note of these things in the public sphere more often.

Now if only the pols representing the party acted accordingly.

I wouldn't say all repub politicians are close minded; there are a few that stand out and I respect them greatly because of this. I think the parties main issues is the vocal majority such as Fox news that paint a dark shade on us. For instance I can't watch Bill O'reilly for more than five minutes without wanting to put my head through a wall.

except read the article yourself and think a minute. repealing the policy doesn't give taxpayer money to abortion. Obama isn't funding abortions by repealing the policy. He's funding family planning services. The organizations behind the family planning may in the rare instance aid in an abortion, but do not use taxpayer money to do it. taxpayer money can't go to abortion services in planned parenthood. Except that's 95% of what they do right? dishonesty in public policy at its best.

It is an overly broad ruling as we already do not give taxpayer money to abortion services. It prevents taxpayer money from helping worthwhile services, and doesn't add any restrictions to money going to abortion. It's punishing 97% of worthwhile services because people don't like what happens in the other 3%, even though they aren't paying for it.

That my dear is arbitrary government interference.

Unlike Romney, Obama has presidential experience. And he has done at worst a mediocre job of it.

And excuse me? How is it that Obama wants to fundamentally change the nation? It's convenient to argue about constitution trampling when you pointing fingers at the other side.

EDIT: lol class warfare, i love it. the quintessentially Marxist principle has become the rallying cry of conservative pundits.

My belief is that the current political state is nothing more than an amplification of the old, deep-seated divides this country has had for decades brought to a boil by media vehicles which include the internet and studios like FOX and MSNBC.

Problems arise and both parties blame the other side rather than addressing the problem. This is as typical human behavior as it gets and partly why we're seeing so many issues boil without resolution.

The reason I believe most people are cordial to each other is because humans are typically passive and avoid (personal) conflict which is why topics like religion and politics often make for poor discussion pieces as they are ripe with points of contention. We try to find people we agree with, isolate ourselves in like-minded communities and avoid any discussion with people who disagree.

We can blame FOX and MSNBC for ratcheting up the rhetoric but we all have our opinions and some are driven to action more than others when those positions are challenged.

"Saving" this country is going to take more than the amplifiers vanishing because they're some deeply-rooted issues that stand in the way. It's our great boon and our Achilles heel having such a varied populace.

It's an issue of vilifying the moderates. It's either us of them. It happens in both parties, both among the party members and their constituents. If you are compromising you are against us.

24/hr news networks with vitriol spewing pundits only serve to widen the gap in an otherwise reasonable person. They feed you some moderate ideas, and then argue that in order to believe those ideas you have to embrace the radical ones and demonize the other side.

Why do the news networks do this? Because they have ***all to talk about 70% of the day and need filler to stay on the air.

/sigh

At this point, I'm just hoping that there are enough write-ins to send the message that we are sick of the defunct two-party system and their squabbling.

had to bring this over from lol thread

Maybe the unimportant accomplishments we don't need at the moment, but who am I to judge since I haven't googled him yet. I will say that, IN MY EYES... We are about... 5% better economy-wise since his inauguration in my point of view and I only say that because in the past few months, employment has gone up A LITTLE, other than that its all still in shambles since well... you know about gas prices and all. I just want someone to get him the heck out of office. We need a president that loves this country, not someone that refuses to put his hand on his chest for the flag or even his hand on the Bible during his inauguration, not a president that spends loads of money on his family vacations to private islands for a whole month when his people are barely getting by... Doesn't matter anyways what I say LOL.

I would say it's a good bit more than 5% and the unemployment rate was at an all time low, but that's bound to reverse now that gas keeps going up.

Obama is as much of an American as you or I, why do you want him out of office so bad?

The flag is one thing, but you need to check the first amendment again there guy.

as for his vacations, I don't want to hear it when Bush spent over 2 years in Texas during his terms.

The people are in trouble, but removing Obama mid swing is not the remedy. The economy needs stability, and to be frank the best thing Obama could do for it currently would be to release some of the oil reserves to the market to drive the price of oil/gas down.

It's pretty simple, we have an economy built upon things people don't need, people are rather rational, when they don't have extra money because the cost of living is up, their unnecessary expenses go down, which has a domino effect on the economy.

You want the economy to improve? you need to give the people jobs directly, and lower the cost of living, not give corporations money/tax breaks.

Not putting his hand on the Bible during the inauguration has nothing to do with being American or not. At worst (and this is not even bad, in my opinion) it shows that he is non-religious or holds a different religion than Christianity. So bloody what. At best (again, this isn't my definition of best/worst, it's more what I imagine what the people hold as important), it's showing support for a separation of church and state. If you disagree with the separation of church and state, I think you should see some quotes from our founding fathers on the matter.



Putting a hand on the Bible is a tradition that is merely continued for the satisfaction of a mostly Christian nation who does not understand the difference between a country of religious freedom and a country where their religion rules. It's ridiculous that such a thing is even in a discussion about the effectiveness of his presidency. Not to sound like a raving angry lady, but it really just sounds to me like people inventing reasons to be against him. "OH MY GOD Becky! He didn't put his hand on the Bible! That means he's going to have the worst presidency ever! He's probably a terrorist, too! Anyone who doesn't hold our religious beliefs is obviously a terrorist!" >.> Really.

Now, I'm not a humongous Obama supporter. I think we've had better presidents, and I think we've had worse presidents. What is important to me in a presidential candidate is how I think he/she will respect my rights. So, looking over what I believe my rights are-- the right for all people to marry whoever they are in love with, the right to have full information regarding my own health and to make decisions based on that, the right to birth control so that my husband and I can decide for ourselves if/when/how many children we will have, that sort of thing.

With that in mind, what has Obama done about gay marriage? He's repealed don't ask don't tell. What have GOP candidates stated that they wish to do about gay marriage? Repeal the rights of gays to marry. Score one for Obama. How does Obama treat women? Apparently (according to my rabid anti-Obama aunt, keep in mind that I have not bothered to look this up in the slightest) he pays his female staff less than his male staff. What do Republicans want to do about women? Pass laws that state that an unfertilized egg is a person up to two weeks before conception, take away funding for breast and ovarian cancer screens, pass laws that protect doctors from being sued if they intentionally withhold information about a woman's pregnancy from her, pass laws that make birth control pills illegal (as well as other forms of hormonal birth control), pass laws that force women to undergo transvaginal ultrasounds against their will. What's the definition of rape again? Oh yeah. Any penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus without consent. So a law mandating forced transvaginal ultrasounds (which are 100% medically unnecessary, by the way) is legal, state-sanctioned rape. How about no.

I'm really sorry about the political bullcrap. Really, I am. Because in this election, who I vote for has nothing to do with who I agree with politically and everything to do with who is going to defend my rights instead of try to take them away. And even if Obama doesn't actually have my rights in mind, at least he's not trying to actively destroy them in the name of 'personhood' rights!

my gf had one of those ultrasounds on her first visit, so they could make sure the fetus was in the proper position etc, I'd say that's rather necessary, but I'm pretty sure the same could be done with a regular ultrasound, and there's no reason the woman should have to look at it. (you don't want to go for an abortion if it's not located properly, could get messy, unlikely but can happen).

not defending the political right at all, but just a side note.

tim tebow for pres

This country does need stability. But we need to find it in a different leader. Personally, my wife owns her own business, and laws that obama swore not to pass while running for office, he is passing, or overwriting congress decisions on, and hurting her business dramatically. That's just one example of how Obama is directly affecting us as a nation, and I apologize for the lack of details and direct references there, but I don't need FFXIAH knowing our personal business. Obama lied on many occasions during his campaign for presidency, followed by a very scandalous birth certificate. We all know he isn't natural born, or he wouldn't have fought so hard to keep certain information pertaining to his birth records sealed. Obama does not love this country, he is a money driven, self loving foreigner, who cares not for the American people. I, personally, am tired of this man's lies, his lack of care for us as a whole, and his focus on whichever group of people will raise his political standing at any point in time. We need a real president, one that isn't doing this for the money or fame. We need..... Donald Trump! bwahahaha

The above posting is my own personal view, not to be taken as fact, but purely as my own personal opinion.

Oh turds! That [+] is for your wife owning her own business. Not the rest. Just making that clear.

Obama cannot overwrite Congress's decision on pretty much anything...

What laws is he passing?

A birther? seriously? Obama was born in Hawaii, check their policy on long form certificates and grow up.

Trump?

and you're talking of not being money driven?

this has got to be a troll.

holy crap wallotxt liela :)

Or just the actual birth certificate which he released lol. But if you're a birther at this point you'll have an explanation as to proof it was forged.

edit and agree that said poster is either deranged or a troll.

yeah, I was more of referring to the comment of why it took so long.

it's funny that nobody questions the white guys, it's a thing of race.

or they were just bitter, yeah that's it.

McCain was questioned quite extensively about his citizenship due to the fact he was born in the Panama Canal zone. He produced his certificate immediately showing that he had citizenship rights due to his father served in the military, and McCain was born in an US Military base in the Panama Canal Zone. He was a natural born child, born of natural born citizens at the time of his birth. The Panama Canal Zone was a US territory when McCain was born in 1936.

Of course no one remembers THAT...

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ITT: Tokens

Seriously?
you really need to fact check before you claim grand conspiracies...... nobody remembers it because it didn't happen...

a quick check says Mccain released his birth certificate to a single reporter. obama released the short form, was corroborated by the hawaii health director and was also subject to levels of scrutiny that never before happened for any presidential candidate.

For McCain there is also interpretation of the constitution as to whether foreign born citizen are considered natural born under any circumstance, foreign born citizenship has never been definitively rule on by courts. Citizens born on US soil, however, have been determined to be natural born under all circumstance.

personally i think McCain was dedicated to the country and it really doesn't matter. but nobody raised as near a ridiculous circus over what's arguably less certain for McCain.

If that constitutes an example or proof to you, than its easy to see why you are so easily fooled.

#not intended to be a factual statement