Another Set Advice Thread

get to it

Or you could put some asian girls in it. Just sayin'.

I'm currently working on the STR+9 Atk+24 polearm (about halfway through the Vermin Killer trial) and I'm wondering if I should even bother finishing it since apparently the OAT is so much better? My gear is super-gimp and it would definitely take me QUITE a while to get the OAT done along with everything else I'm trying to finish (seals/cards/missions/blah blah blah). adviceplzandthx

You definately need SOMETHING to hold you over. The str lance is a fine lance to do that with (i have one, though its dusty now after OAT :P)

If you can land one of the rare/ex ones like vougiers (ideal) then that would do the job fine and save you time on the str trials.

It really doesnt matter that much which lance you settle on, but if OAT will take you a while to actually finish, I would get a placeholder of some type. Options are basically:

Vougiers(Cool beans)
Oneiros (might as well tie with 1st. Excellent as well)
Draconis (solid, easy(er) to get)
Skogul (fun toy :P)
Fetter (better than some 75 thing :P)

Just get the best one you can if you dont want to bother finishing all the str lance trials and jump into your OAT trials. If nothing else, you can walk to the AH and just buy a fetter lance to get you started and move up from there.

Yeah, I picked up the Draconis Lance a while back and I've been using it to hold me over until I finish STR (got one more run of spiders in Kuftal today on Firesday... hopefully Arachne will pop again and give me more money, then it's on to Manticores and Birds).

OAT will definitely take time to finish... I've got Nyzul to work on (Floor 41 >.>), seals, cards, missions, and a lot of the "miscellaneous" gear pieces to work on as well. I know that when my LS helps me out with stuff, they're wayyyy more willing to help me with seals/Nyzul/missions that can benefit multiple people than doing Blobdingnag which would really only benefit me since nobody else really needs it for anything - and honestly, I don't blame them AT ALL. I'm not a selfish guy... so I'll take things as they come.

Thanks for the advice!

Are any of the pieces from the AMK, ASA, or ACP missions worth getting/using for Dragoon? If so, with what augments? I kind of want to do these anyway, but if they're not going to really benefit me, then I won't make them a priority.

Not a whole lot off good stuff since it was primarily used for raw DD gear at 75, and DD gear has all been upgraded so only really any good for situational junk.

Legs will always be a poor man's Wlegs by getting the 8% movement speed augment+ anything. -4% phy damage is a nice augment for a -phy set if your into that.

Head....I got nuthin...There is already super cheap and better -magic damage pieces. /shrug.

Body....also nada.

The only things i can think of are MAB gear, but without any good elemental WS, theres not much point in beefing up raiden thrust.

I got head for Regen/-10% DT for Wyvern, nice to idle in if SL is down between fights along with Drachen Mail. Made a pretty decent Wyvern PDT set which amount to ~20ish PDT on top of the -40DT we're getting next patch

Look good so far? Still need Twilight Helm/Jing Greaves.
Also working on OaT,

Going to buy a Dragonkin Earring and Calm trousers when possible.

For WS Anguinus Belt will do better than Light Belt and Love Torque is better than Agasaya Collar. For earings use Brutal/Aesir. Aesir is 1 Attack more than Merman and gives Conserve TP also making it great for ws. Try and do WoTG and get Moonshade Earring Acc+4 Regain+1 for your TP set. Try and also get an OAT lance then replace grip with Rose Strap, Back with Aethiling, Hoard Ring for Blitz Ring, feet with AF3+2 and head with AF3+2. You'l end up with a 5 hit with overall higher att/acc/dex/str with an OAT lance with 25% Haste(1% less than you have now). This can be overcome with the new +3 Store TP ammo and the haste+1% grip, making it a perfect 26%/5hit/OAT setup.

Right now you have 24% haste, 51stp (WS in 36) , and a lot of gear with no str/atk/acc/atk etc.

Try this:

TP
Claymore>Rose strap (+4stp, -3crit rate)
Thew>White tathlum (+2stp, -2str/8atk)
Aces>Lancer+2 (+16acc, +4atk, +2haste, -5stp)
Zelus>Lancer+1(+27atk, +6-7acc, wyvern healing, -2haste)

Net tradeoffs:
+22-23 acc
+23atk
+1 stp
+wyvern healing for AOEs
+Lncr set bonus procs (going from 1 piece to 3 pieces)
+0 haste
-2str
-3% crit rate

That crit grip is killing you making you use bad STP gear instead of stronger DD gear. (forces aces and therefore zelus to make up the haste. Lncr head/feet are STRONG TP gear)

Alternatively:
Grip/Ammo to rose/white tathlum (-3crit, -2str, -8atk, +6stp)
Back to atheling (-6stp, +35atk, +3%DA)

This setup drops that horrible, horrible mantle.
Net:
+3% DA
+27atk
-3% crit.
-2str
Protip: 3% DA is better than 3% crit, and 27atk is better than 2 str.

Again the crit grip is killing you.
Both options give you a LOT more bang. The 1st set has a ton of atk/acc and side benefits (Wyvern healing, set bonus procs). The second option is a smidge more atk and DA, but no side benefits.

Either one is better than what you have now.

WS: Twilight helm. -2str, +10 dex. Thats a LOT of dex for miniscule sacrifice.

And there are the more obvious upgrades. Earring>Aesir, +1 your heca feet etc.
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With the new gear out, this is what I will be ultimately shooting for for TP set when i put down my lovely 507 delay OAT, but obviously not accessable quite yet. The neck is new and rare/ex, no idea where its from yet. Assuming VW. The tathlum is from somewhere, but its AH-able. Ring just replaces hoard with same stp, but better DD stats. Rest is old gear.



This set has the same 24% haste and 51 stp as your set, but WAAAY more DD stats and benefits. We shed that terrible -atk mantle, and dont need to use aces feet. This set has the option to swap into zelus or lncr mantle if you are dead set on haste, but that is still a lot of DD stats to give up. Haste isnt EVERYTHING contrary to popular belief.

Also, just finish your OAT. 5hits with that are epic in practice and dont require all the maddening sacrifices to gear you have to with a 492.

Currently lacking +2 Head/Feet atm working on cards. So trading Zelus for +1 head would just be stupid in my opinion. The main reason I'm geared like this at the moment is for a 5 hit.

This would basically be my normal 6 hit D:


Also to be honest I was lazy at WoG stuff so I am not going to bother with rose/moonshade just yet. Also there is a new earring out so another reason to not bother with say Aesir.

Hoiyi's gorget I completely overlooked. Honestly atm I TP in Rancor Collar.

Also Love VS Agasaya's honestly seems moot.
Wow you slightly get more accuracy, Hello the job is Dragoon. Rancor Collar looks nice ideally for both TP and Drakes. The DEX would only matter for crit rate outside Abyssea if you know the monsters AGI. But like I said why not just use Rancor then in that case if crit rate is what you want.

Also why throw Ace's out for say Bestia pants? Especially in Abyssea the -acc wouldn't really matter. +12 Attack looks nice.


Also in Abyssea Claymore VS Polegrip swung either way. It was really all down to preference at that point once Razed Ruins came into consideration. It's mostly preference but outside Aby pole should be the grip you use.



This is what I would ideally use, some what similar to your set up.

Edit: Tactical Mantle sucks horribly I agree. Inside abyssea it's not too bad with all the buffs you get. But outside it would be a really bad sacrifice in that slot. I would disagree on your views when it came to haste though. To be complately honest say Calm Trousers VS Ace's that would be a worthy sacrifice. But going from Zelus-> +1 Head.. Ugh gross.

Then the solution is to +2 your drg gear and finish Corsesca. Right now you are severely limited because you lack the gear to open up your options. No rose, no +2 lancer means you are pigeonholed pretty badly. No Corsesca means your STP requirements are even more rigid. You dont really have much choice in your gear, and no other options for creating a 5hit with a 492.

There isnt really anything you can do until you you get the gear needed for better options.

Food for thought on pole grip:
DA gear doesnt play nice with Corsesca. Its like stacking rediculous amounts of DA gear while using a Joyuse, or a more extreme case, ridil or Kclub (obviously not THAT bad). Any DA gear you add is sharply cut in effectiveness by the amount of DA on your weapon because it cant proc at teh same time as your lance. A 50% DA weapon makes any additional DA gear half as effective. So if OAT is 50% (not sure exactly), then pole grip would be only as effective as adding 1% DA to a normal lance.

With a multi hit lance, Pole grip gets shot in the foot. Sword strap is detrimental to X hit. Crit rate is 'ok' but the fact is that you ca get far more from your build by getting rose and dropping 4stp elsewhere. 4stp in an very weak slot (grip) allows improved gear in other, much stronger gear slots. Perfect example is using STP necklace+crit grip, or using Rose+Rancor. Rose+Rancor is just stronger. Until they add a new badass grip, rose is the most efficient use of the grip slot.

Your set isnt 'bad', but there isnt really anything you can do unless you get the gear to open up your options.

I have bestia because those are my sets and I have 4haste bestia but no aces. No motivation to get them. Also, I barely play in abyssea anymore and when i do, im on thf, so less reason i care about -acc and +atk sidegrade gear. Both work.

Why not use Moonshade instead of Aesir/Dragonkin? The regain comes in handy for missed hits/uneven TP from being hit. I know on paper it doesn't reduce your X-hit build from the regain alone but it's still free TP over time including the time to draw your weapon and run up to the mob or during sleep/paralyze/petrify etc/

Because the Moonshade earring would be worthless if it does not play an important role in your #hit build. It would be a wasted augment/slot.

Even if you miss a hit, or are being hit you're not getting hit enough/missing enough to warrant the earring. Even if you were, you'd need to be hit a ridiculous amount of times before it actually even gave you the amount of TP a single hit would give you.

Moonshade should only ever be used if it completes your #hit build within 3-4 tics at the very most.

If you do not require a Moonshade earring for what you want to accomplish, then obviously Dragonkin is the new prime choice for your wyvern.

What is the ideal polearm outside of Emp or fake emp? (Or Mythic/relic etc)

OAT lance or the one from Empousa is good.

Are both of these viable to 5 hit with? Or is it better to stick with a 6 hit?

And thanks :)

For TP which is better, or should I try to 5hit? (Would lose on a lot of DA, or crit damage and accuracy):
Focusing on +2 legs and critting during TP

or
Focusing on DA during TP



For Drakesbane would +2 hands really beat +4% Crit dmg on heca +1 assuming accuracy is capped?
Would Ace's, Faz R. Mail, +2, or Ares's be better than Zahak's?
Assuming dDEX is either capped or no where near cap, would Beir Belt +1 be better than elemental belt?


Mostly wondering for VW, lolaby

well, firstly, DRG can't wear centaurus earring.

What's wrong with AF3+2 Body

Oh right, substitute aesir or the new wyvern -dt earring


What's right about it that it's better than 5% DA or being able to get 10% crit dmg on tp rounds, let alone the sizable attack and str on +2 legs

I don't want to 5hit, as I don't have rose strap and am very far from being at that rank in campaign. I'd have to give up either haste, or atheling to 5hit atm.

Well, first of all, you seem to overlap a ton of questions which would need separate and fairly different answers imo, and that makes an easy reply hard to formulate.

My question was pretty straightforward though and the reply you gave seemed yet again sketchy because you implied AF3+2 Body was nowhere near as good as a 5% DA (Are you Acc capped? Are you 5-6 hitting? Are you inside Aby? Outside Aby?) or being able to get 10% Crit Dmg on tp rounds (Are you at least dDEX capped? Because the set you are using AF3 legs to TP in have nearly no DEX? Are you inside Aby? Outside Aby?) while benefitting from the STR and Attack on +2 legs...

...as if the body had no STR, no DEX, no Acc, no Atk and more importantly, no amount of Stp that would allow you to swap out other armor parts for more STR, DEX, Atk and whatnot.

You even started asking whether you should stick to a 6 hit or try make a 5 hit yet replied to my post adding you did not want to work on one, so idk...

Must be the Nyquil, I'm going to bed. Hopefully someone else will be able to solve the riddle.

/bump

Where you can't really cap dDEX
Where accuracy somewhat matters (When stalwarts down anyway, even then I hardly seem to have accuracy problems)
On a job that gets Accuracy Bonus III
All mentioned sets are 6hit, as long as first hit on WS lands
Question between 5 hit and 6 hit is whether or not it's truly worth it w/o Rose strap

Both sets have rather large gains when comparing them to other 6 hits posted here. Only real hit I'd be taking from losing +2 body is the DEX for the Ace's Mail set, and the only loses for the Radiant Mail set are that DEX and about 30 accuracy.

Really leaning towards Ace's Mail set, but I don't know the gains of DA on a job that only really has 5%(brutal) otherwise.

Gunna steal this for a quick second. I haven't posted on these forums in a long time and I haven't really kept up on all the latest gear updates.

My question is...being 95 and all is it worth it to make my Stingray+2 a Stingray+3? I went the Store TP route, and i've been curious the last little while to see if its worth WS'ing another 800 times to make the +3.

I haven't started my OAT polearm but its getting closer and closer to the top of my list.

SideNote: Only thing I can thing of +3 being useful for would be 5 hitting with /mage. Oh and right now I am still using the Pole from Empousa.

I don't like to respond to these things, just because people trollflame to hades.

Anyway, Leo, Rancor for TP is a bad move. Sea Torque would be best, Aga's would be better for definition TP set. Especially outside. That crit rate is nice on Drakes, but (and more so outside), isn't going to do as much outside of WS set where you're trying to stack dex towards ddex. I shouldn't even have to mention that you're taking 10% more damage while wearing it.

People swear by the Vougier's, and push it past Langdebeve+3 as a damage spear, if you're not building an x-hit build of any real concern - the totm spear is gonna outdamage the Vougs, only thing that makes the Voug viable to consider is the tp conservation. I know a lot of people are gonna quote me with fugazi stats after this, but Lang has higher DoT and higher Drakes.

It seems like you're trying to build a set for outside aby (VW), again people may disagree with me - but bridging ddex is not exactly easy for DRG, so in the case of you talking about these bodies.. the dex on the AF3 body should be noticable in WS set. For TP, it depends how you wanna go with that set. For example, I'm not overly concerned with capping haste - yes, haste is important, but what stats are you losing to get it?

Like I advise all of my friends.. take what you got, see what you can add.. and what adding it makes you lose and evaluate the overall.

Just a heads up, correcting misinformation is not "trollflaming".

Splicing the quote because I want to tackle the individual points seperately. There are a lot of situations where the DT+ is nigh irrelevant. Old content, particularly fodder, and Voidwatch too if you have Fanatic's up. If you don't have hate, you may or may not be able to ride Rancor Collar for a little while in that situation as well.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying it's not good in TP gear because you're trying to push DEX for crits? If so, I should point out that DRG still has trouble efficiently pushing DEX gear in TP gear. Less so during WS but even then, I don't know how much content you can efficiently cap on and the loss of Abyssea's critdmg traits has a lot more to do with devaluing crits than anything else. Even so, given your relatively low baseline critrate in this situation Rancor is still valuable.

Who?

Why would you not construct an x-hit for DD situations?


DEX works in tiers and is only effective at high levels of dDEX... probable eyeballing.

Not sure if serious.

Roughly how much AGI can you expect VWNMs to have (particularly T3s)?

There is no misinformation there, sir, I happen to be a reputable player that tests the crap that comes out of his mouth. Or in this case, my fingers? As for trolling, yes, go back in the thread, I got trolled for asking a question I was unsure of. Maybe it sounded stupid, but I don't pretend to know everything, I know a lot, but I have questions just like everyone else who plays this game.

You're going to get more out of Sea Torque than Rancor in TP set, period. Don't believe me? Get both and test them like I did. Not to mention that when you do get hate, you're going to get smoked.. especially with the Suicide Belt (Bullwhip) on, which I'm not even going to get into when speaking to people who think that haste trumps all. Goading and Ninurta are better haste belts for DRG.. again, this gets a period.

As for the x-hit build, you're asking the wrong person. I'm just responding to his post. Read the other posts.

Vougs is favored by pretty much everyone on this thread.. again, reading is fundamental.

In terms of haste, I'm serious, like mentioned above.. I would never wear a bullwhip belt, so I lose 2% haste to use Goading Belt - but Goading Belt is the better belt overall, you gain way more by wearing it over Bullwhip, and only lose 2 haste.

Another unpopular opinion of mine is that Beir Belt isn't that great. The str mod on it is good, but -7 dext sucks on crit WSes.. especially outside. Light Belt is my choice, it adds 10% damage to the first hit of the WS and extra accuracy to the other 3 hits.

"But DRG doesn't need accuracy!"
BS, DRG is supposed to have the highest natural accuracy in the game because of JTs - but most WS sets swap out a good chunk of acc gear from TP build.

I'm willing to wager that if I bought a beir belt+1 and tested it against Light Belt, that if it were any better, only a parser could tell the difference. Dex does work in tiers, but that's a huge chunk of dex to lose. Feel free to disagree with me, but I'd rather have some people read this and think about that when they select gear. Negative stats like that are something that serious players should be thinking about.

For Leo, I like your sets, they are very different than what everyone swears by - and they look excellent in terms of your goal. I just mentioned the few things you may want to think about in response to your questions, etc.