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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-07-11 18:23:42  
Lakshmi.Byrth said:
Oh man, I just realized that Gorgets and Belts are going to be back in style for Rudra's because of this. Fffff +2 inventory.

CLARIFICATION PLOX.
(I don't know the WS/crit math off the top of my head)
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-07-11 18:28:30  
When you use a Gorget, you increase the fTP of the first hit. In Abyssea, the first hit (the crit) is going to be the vast majority of the WS's damage. So 3.5->3.7 fTP for the crit hit is +4~5% WS damage. I haven't mathed out the Love Torque/Cuchu vs. gorget/belt fully, but I'd be unsurprised if they come out better now.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 18:29:58  
Lakshmi.Byrth said:
Haha, now I can't wait to try this out in Abyssea. I'm totally going RR/Omni/SS when the servers come back up to see if I can one-shot NMs with a self skillchain, haha.
woot you finally realize how great omni is!

Lakshmi.Byrth said:
He's aiming for Climactic -> Rudra's x2, so you Crit on the first hit of both Rudra's.

It's a noble goal, but I'd probably do:
5 FM Climactic -> Presto -> Box Step -> Rudra's -> NFR -> Reverse -> Rudra's

Really, even 2 FM Climactic would work fine. That's 3 rounds, so you have one flub one if it slips through between the two Rudra's.

I'd use Brutal and Epona's on the above build for sure.
also i didnt think about this, that actually sounds pretty epic.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-07-11 18:30:22  
Lakshmi.Byrth said:
When you use a Gorget, you increase the fTP of the first hit. In Abyssea, the first hit (the crit) is going to be the vast majority of the WS's damage. So 3.5->3.7 fTP for the crit hit is +4~5% WS damage.

Noted!
Glad I have those silly belts!
(also glad that I have the Soil one and it works for Rudra's...because I'm OCD and want the belt/gorget to match if I'm using them)
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-07-11 18:36:17  
Eh! They just barely come out ahead unless we're using Stalwart's or Berserk. We hurt too badly for Attack >.<;

Omni may not be the best for my damage overall, but it's going to give me the prettiest Rudra's -> Rudra's skillchain. =p

I think we should be able to get a 6k 100TP Rudra's average in Abyssea.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-07-11 18:38:02  
Are you using food in that calculation?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-07-11 18:39:31  
Red Curry Buns, sadly. Food stacks on top of gear, so Atk +17 becomes Atk +21.

I might have to make a 100 TP offhand D:<
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-07-11 18:41:14  
Lakshmi.Byrth said:
Red Curry Buns, sadly. Food stacks on top of gear, so Atk +17 becomes Atk +21.

I might have to make a 100 TP offhand D:<

I'm actually working on one of those right now because of Martial Knives being 2 mil :D
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-07-11 18:41:59  
I have an STP one at the moment. Q.Q

...... I guess I could restart it.....

Going by my math, 100 TP Bonus Fusetto would bump my damage in Abyssea up by about 25%... Q.Q;
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 18:47:43  
Lakshmi.Byrth said:

I think we should be able to get a 6k 100TP Rudra's average in Abyssea.
50k says i can get a higher average with my woe weapon :>
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-07-11 18:48:49  
if i recall correctly, the 100 tp bonus only works if it is in the main hand.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 18:49:46  
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if i recall correctly, the 100 tp bonus only works if it is in the main hand.
iirc you are correct, if i remember right it was why i tossed my fusetto.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-07-11 18:54:10  
Martial Weapons only work main hand, TP Bonus+100 weapons work in either hand. I think we could get a 7.5k average with attack buffs and a TP Bonus+100 Fusetto offhand in Abyssea.
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By Pooman 2011-07-11 18:59:48  
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
if i recall correctly, the 100 tp bonus only works if it is in the main hand.
iirc you are correct, if i remember right it was why i tossed my fusetto.

Shouldn't have tossed it because 100 TP bonus fusetto does work offhand.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 19:03:33  
Pooman said:
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
if i recall correctly, the 100 tp bonus only works if it is in the main hand.
iirc you are correct, if i remember right it was why i tossed my fusetto.

Shouldn't have tossed it because 100 TP bonus fusetto does work offhand.
oh well, i remember i was trying to make a stp fusetto which could have been the real reason i scrapped it, and then scrapped it entirely when i realized i couldn't make a 12hit build.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-07-11 19:05:53  
Lakshmi.Byrth said:
Martial Weapons only work main hand, TP Bonus+100 weapons work in either hand. I think we could get a 7.5k average with attack buffs and a TP Bonus+100 Fusetto offhand in Abyssea.

is there somewhere where i can find this verified please?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-07-11 19:06:52  
Right here:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/21603/fusetto2-off-hand#1344522

I'm also wondering if now Wild Flourish can do higher than level 1 skillchains, because the SAM one can do up to level 3 properties.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-07-11 19:21:51  
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Right here:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/21603/fusetto2-off-hand#1344522

I'm also wondering if now Wild Flourish can do higher than level 1 skillchains, because the SAM one can do up to level 3 properties.

interesting.... also wild flourish can do level 2 skillchains with certain weaponskills, it has a list on the wiki
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2011-07-11 19:25:39  
Wild Flourish is only level 1 skillchain properties, so it's incapable of making level 3 or certain level 2 skillchains.

I had to pillage it to fit it into the new template, and it's waiting for reformatting, but this page explains how it actually works.

By comparison, the new SAM JA can do JA -> WS -> Level 3 skillchain
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By Asura.Loneshadow 2011-07-11 19:35:14  
So with that update to CF.. its pretty boss to use Rudra's with CF in and outta Abyssea since it'll prob boss any other dagger WS.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-11 19:39:23  
To somebody that said "wtf..." earlier about the new sam JA being able to ready a level 3 SC... Ya.... Sam is the SC JOB. Lets not be overly sensitive about the SC job getting a strong SC JA please hehe... As it is Dnc gets more SC bonus JT and gets it boosted in AF3+1-2 hands hehe.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 19:41:06  
is there a way to continue a skillchain from

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> ?

or would

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> evisceration -> darkness

work?
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-07-11 19:45:20  
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said:
is there a way to continue a skillchain from

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> ?

or would

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> evisceration -> darkness

work?
You'd be cut off after the 2nd darkness
So the first one
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 19:46:21  
no way to extend it?

edit:
i remember doing

evisceration -> dancing edge -> distortion (i think) -> evisceration -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness

is it possible to add another rudra on the end of that for a 3rd darkness then?
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By Asura.Loneshadow 2011-07-11 19:47:45  
Couldn't Rudra's x3 do double darkness?? Or do Empy/Relic WS cut after 1st SC??
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-07-11 19:49:52  
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said:
is there a way to continue a skillchain from

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> ?

or would

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> evisceration -> darkness

work?


Do any of those actually work? I was under the impression, that to double Lv3 SC you can't use the same WS twice.. Like if you do evis >> rudra to do darkness, a second rudra wouldn't do a second darkness. Am I wrong here? From a sam standpoint (my main) I know kasha >> kaiten >> kaiten won't double light to my knowledge.
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 19:49:59  
Asura.Loneshadow said:
Couldn't Rudra's x3 do double darkness?? Or do Empy/Relic WS cut after 1st SC??
they cut off
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-07-11 19:50:02  
Asura.Loneshadow said:
Couldn't Rudra's x3 do double darkness?? Or do Empy/Relic WS cut after 1st SC??
If you do darkness by doing Darkness Skillchain Property -> Darkness Skillchain Property that's the end, no more
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2011-07-11 19:51:01  
Ifrit.Eikechi said:
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said:
is there a way to continue a skillchain from

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> ?

or would

evisceration -> rudra -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness -> evisceration -> darkness

work?


Do any of those actually work? I was under the impression, that to double Lv3 SC you can't use the same WS twice.. Like if you do evis >> rudra to do darkness, a second rudra wouldn't do a second darkness. Am I wrong here? From a sam standpoint (my main) I know kasha >> kaiten >> kaiten won't double light to my knowledge.
it's because of rudra's secondary skillchain properties that align with evisceration's skillchain properties.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-07-11 19:51:43  
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said:
no way to extend it?

edit:
i remember doing

evisceration -> dancing edge -> distortion (i think) -> evisceration -> darkness -> rudra -> darkness

is it possible to add another rudra on the end of that for a 3rd darkness then?
That would work so long as you can get the tp for the weaponskills in time
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