Now that we've established windbuffet is still the best, excluding ACC requirements from ele. belt, Hecatomb +1(4% crit max) vs Warrior +2.
Using the windbuffet stats above, I only have to do hecatomb +1 stats.
Heca +1 stats: 186 STR, 123 DEX, 24% DA, 2% TA, 1% QA, 71.75% crit rounded down to 71%.
275*2.1 = 577, 577*2.2 = 1269, 577*3 = 1731, 1731*1.22 = 2111
(1269*.29)+(2111*.71) = (368+1498) = 1866, 1866*1.07 = 1996
275*2.2 = 605, 275*3 = 825, 825*1.22 = 1006
(605*.29)+(1006*.71) = (175+714) = 889
2 hit ukko's = 2885
3 hit ukko's = 3774
4 hit ukko's = 4663
5 hit ukko's = 5552
6 hit ukko's = 6441
7 hit ukko's = 7330
8 hit ukko's = 8219
(8219*.0001)+(7330*.0004)+(6441*.005)+(5552*.024)+(4663*.0834)+(3774*.3434)+(2885*.5437) = 3422.6672
Ukko's Fury Setup
Ukko's Fury Setup
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Windbuffet stats: 194 STR, 114 DEX, 27% DA, 2% TA, and 1% QA. 66.75% crit rounded down to 66%.
181+98 = 279 base damage.
279*2.1 = 585, 585*2.2 = 1287, 585*3 = 1755, 1755*1.22 = 2141
(1287*.34)+(2141*.66)= (437+1413) = 1850, 1850*1.07 = 1979
279*2.2 = 613, 279*3 = 837, 837*1.22 = 1021
(613*.34)+(1021*.66) = (208+673) = 881
2 hit ukko's = 2860
3 hit ukko's = 3741
4 hit ukko's = 4622
5 hit ukko's = 5503
6 hit ukko's = 6384
7 hit ukko's = 7265
8 hit ukko's = 8146
(8146*.0001)+(7265*.0004)+(6384*.0056)+(5503*.0246)+(4622*.0966)+(3741*.371)+(2860*.5016)= 3443.817
181+98 = 279 base damage.
279*2.1 = 585, 585*2.2 = 1287, 585*3 = 1755, 1755*1.22 = 2141
(1287*.34)+(2141*.66)= (437+1413) = 1850, 1850*1.07 = 1979
279*2.2 = 613, 279*3 = 837, 837*1.22 = 1021
(613*.34)+(1021*.66) = (208+673) = 881
2 hit ukko's = 2860
3 hit ukko's = 3741
4 hit ukko's = 4622
5 hit ukko's = 5503
6 hit ukko's = 6384
7 hit ukko's = 7265
8 hit ukko's = 8146
(8146*.0001)+(7265*.0004)+(6384*.0056)+(5503*.0246)+(4622*.0966)+(3741*.371)+(2860*.5016)= 3443.817
Looking at your numbers and putting them into my equation and putting said equation into google and clicking the button gives me 2636, how is what I did wrong?
((((279*2.1)*1.07)*((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34))+
((279*1.663)*((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)))=
2636.513884
1.663 fTP for the all hits beyond the first is because you get 1 QA in 100, 2 TAs in 99, and 27 DAs in 97 attacks. Which comes out to 3, 3.96, and 26.19 fTP for the values, add them up and you get 33.15, double it because both hits can get extra attacks and you get 66.30, or 1.663 fTP for the second hit. <I assume this to be the error if anything, so help me out.
Because probability ≠ average http://fTP.
Also it would be 2.663 not 1.663, you have to add the intial 1 http://fTP. Which puts you at 3310ish, which is closer to what I got.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Because probability ≠ average http://fTP.
This doesnt make any sense to me.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Also it would be 2.663 not 1.663, you have to add the intial 1 http://fTP. Which puts you at 3310ish, which is closer to what I got.
This doesn't make sense either. Ukkos fury is a 3 fTP WS, 2 for the first hit, 1 for the second, then you basically have a 66.3% chance of getting a double attack, so 1.663 fTP for the second hit.
Motenten updated his WAR spreadsheet. Just download it and find the answer.
It's your order of operations then, I think.
Should be:
((279*2.1)*(3*.66*1.22))+((279*2.1))*((2.2*.34))+((279*1.663)*(3*.66*1.22))+((279*1.663)*(2.2*.34))
You're formula is only multiplying by crits, and then adding non crits not multiplied by anything.
Should be:
((279*2.1)*(3*.66*1.22))+((279*2.1))*((2.2*.34))+((279*1.663)*(3*.66*1.22))+((279*1.663)*(2.2*.34))
You're formula is only multiplying by crits, and then adding non crits not multiplied by anything.
What Austar said, basically look at your first part:
((((279*2.1)*1.07)*((3*0.66)*1.22)+(2.2*0.34)))=1515
(279*2.1*1.07)*(3*0.66*1.22+2.2*0.34)=1983
Your parenthesis are all out of whack.
((((279*2.1)*1.07)*((3*0.66)*1.22)+(2.2*0.34)))=1515
(279*2.1*1.07)*(3*0.66*1.22+2.2*0.34)=1983
Your parenthesis are all out of whack.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Wanion stats: 202 STR, 122 DEX, 27% DA. The extra DEX bumps you up to 67.75% crit, rounded down to 67%. Which Kaerin claims 1% Crit makes it better than either other options.
283*2.1 = 594, 549*2.2 = 1306, 549*3 = 1647, 1647*1.22 = 2009
(1306*.33)+(2009*.67) = (430+1346) = 1776, 1776*1.07 = 1900
283*2.2 = 622, 283*3 = 849, 849*1.22 = 1035
(622*.33)+(1035*.67) = (205+693) = 898
2 hit ukko's = 2798
3 hit ukko's = 3696
4 hit ukko's = 4594
(4594*.0729)+(3696*.3942)+(2798*.5329) = 3282.92
283*2.1 = 594, 549*2.2 = 1306, 549*3 = 1647, 1647*1.22 = 2009
(1306*.33)+(2009*.67) = (430+1346) = 1776, 1776*1.07 = 1900
283*2.2 = 622, 283*3 = 849, 849*1.22 = 1035
(622*.33)+(1035*.67) = (205+693) = 898
2 hit ukko's = 2798
3 hit ukko's = 3696
4 hit ukko's = 4594
(4594*.0729)+(3696*.3942)+(2798*.5329) = 3282.92
Should be 3401~ According to the way you did it. But it could be higher with fSTR too.
And my parenthesis could be wrong, I will look at that.
You removed 'perfect Austar' from your post! :O
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
You removed 'perfect Austar' from your post! :O
Flowers told me I was being mean, and when Im mean to people she withholds sex, and then I dont have a good night =[
549 x 2.2 = 1207
594 x 2.2 = 1306
So no, was a typo not a mathematical error there, which just carried over by mistake.
594*3 = 1782, 1782*1.22 = 2174, 2174*.67 = 1456, 1456+430 = 1886, 1886*1.07 = 2018
(2916*.5329)+(3814*.3942)+(4712*.0729) = 3400.92
594 x 2.2 = 1306
So no, was a typo not a mathematical error there, which just carried over by mistake.
594*3 = 1782, 1782*1.22 = 2174, 2174*.67 = 1456, 1456+430 = 1886, 1886*1.07 = 2018
(2916*.5329)+(3814*.3942)+(4712*.0729) = 3400.92
Ramuh.Austar said: »
549 x 2.2 = 1207
594 x 2.2 = 1306
So no, was a typo not a mathematical error there, which just carried over by mistake.
594*3 = 1782, 1782*1.22 = 2174, 2174*.67 = 1456, 1456+430 = 1886, 1886*1.07 = 2018
(2916*.5329)+(3814*.3942)+(4712*.0729) = 3400.92
594 x 2.2 = 1306
So no, was a typo not a mathematical error there, which just carried over by mistake.
594*3 = 1782, 1782*1.22 = 2174, 2174*.67 = 1456, 1456+430 = 1886, 1886*1.07 = 2018
(2916*.5329)+(3814*.3942)+(4712*.0729) = 3400.92
594*3=1782, not 1647
Ramuh.Austar said: »
283*2.1 = 594, 549*2.2 = 1306, 549*3 = 1647, 1647*1.22 = 2009
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Now that we've established windbuffet is still the best, excluding ACC requirements from ele. belt, Hecatomb +1(4% crit max) vs Warrior +2.
To be fair, Kaerin said that Windbuffet was better than Thunder Belt at 20%~ DA, which is correct. He also stated that Thunder Belt and Windbuffet are practically identical at 50%~ DA. You used 27% DA rate for your comparison.
Had to edit something.
Might be that flowerz.
Hmm, then perhaps my horrible memory has struck again. When I used to do stupid ***with Claim, you , and other Persistence members I thought you were a guy. Kaerin referenced you as a she, so perhaps I am thinking of a different person.
((((279*2.1)*1.07)*(((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34))+
((279*1.663)*(((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)))
3451
Ok now that I added in the missing (, we can see that my number is still not the same. Austar got 3443. Would someone like to explain why the numbers are different, and why the way I did it is incorrect? I simply added extra attacks to fTP the way I always see people do it, and I would like to know why that is incorrect.
Ninja edited, was missing a ( in front of both 3's. But everything else is still true.
((279*1.663)*(((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)))
3451
Ok now that I added in the missing (, we can see that my number is still not the same. Austar got 3443. Would someone like to explain why the numbers are different, and why the way I did it is incorrect? I simply added extra attacks to fTP the way I always see people do it, and I would like to know why that is incorrect.
Ninja edited, was missing a ( in front of both 3's. But everything else is still true.
Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu said: »
Hmm, then perhaps my horrible memory has struck again. When I used to do stupid ***with Claim, you , and other Persistence members I thought you were a guy. Kaerin referenced you as a she, so perhaps I am thinking of a different person.
It's because Flowers is really not a gay guy and I'm secretly a girl and I don't want to tell anyone and neither does he. So he's my girlfriend and I'm his boyfriend.
But it's a secret, so dont tell anyone.
As long as you keep it a secret.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
Kaerin said: »
((((279*2.1)*1.07)*(((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34))+
((279*1.663)*((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)))
3104
Ok now that I added in the missing (, we can see that my number is still not the same. Austar got 3443. Would someone like to explain why the numbers are different, and why the way I did it is incorrect? I simply added extra attacks to fTP the way I always see people do it, and I would like to know why that is incorrect.
((279*1.663)*((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)))
3104
Ok now that I added in the missing (, we can see that my number is still not the same. Austar got 3443. Would someone like to explain why the numbers are different, and why the way I did it is incorrect? I simply added extra attacks to fTP the way I always see people do it, and I would like to know why that is incorrect.
Still issues with parenthesis
((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)needs to be:
(((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34))
I think you'd have less problems if you didn't put so many unneeded ones in. No reason for (((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)) when it's the same as (3*.66 *1.22 + 2.2*.34). I'm sure it's just something to do with the way you translate the steps from your head to written form, but I find when I do things that more parenthesis always leads to more mistakes.
Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu said: »
I think you'd have less problems if you didn't put so many unneeded ones in. No reason for (((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)) when it's the same as (3*.66 *1.22 + 2.2*.34). I'm sure it's just something to do with the way you translate the steps from your head to written form, but I find when I do things that more parenthesis always leads to more mistakes.
ya I just figured that out, I missed a ( in front of both 3's, but the numbers are still different!
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Motenten updated his WAR spreadsheet. Just download it and find the answer.
Hopefully there were no bugs! :)
There were some bugs and the new version accounts for Conqueror's AM3 (and also has Huginn stuff) if you feel like doing simulations.
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Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu said:
I think you'd have less problems if you didn't put so many unneeded ones in. No reason for (((3*.66)*1.22)+(2.2*.34)) when it's the same as (3*.66 *1.22 + 2.2*.34). I'm sure it's just something to do with the way you translate the steps from your head to written form, but I find when I do things that more parenthesis always leads to more mistakes.
I do my math in base 7. That way my ukkos do 12656 dmg.
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Kaerin said: »
ya I just figured that out, I missed a ( in front of both 3's, but the numbers are still different!
You get technically 3451.139603 then floor to 3451
Austar gets 3443.817
Yours doesn't floor till the final step, and all those extra decimal places add up during multiplication. Austar's is a more accurate number.
Huginn feet with even 9% crit dmg should be better than Emp+2 feet right? Are they omitted from gear sets because of rareness?
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