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 Lakshmi.Emanuelle
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2011-05-09 12:44:47  
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Just tested it and it does work. Got -100% DT with MKE head DG, WG and zenith and of course stout servant getting the last 5.

Interesting notes. WG and DG procs seemed based on base hp so zeniths +hp made it kinda wonky. Like the -dt from DG kicked in around 55% and the slip dmg stopped at 31% instead of 50 and 25. Something to note since you should be trying to keep between there... was kinda funny cause the random mob I pulled couldn't hit dipper so I went and started making it attack another and bam got Ansherek... so let me test to make sure I reduced magic and physical to 0.
i don't understand well, so you say the slip dmg from WG can be stopped?
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By Bismarck.Guttler 2011-05-09 12:48:22  
According to my math, with having Shepard Chain and Selemnus Belt, along with the standard gear, using DG/EW/Zenith, a -physical, and a magic defense bonus axe, it would put damage taken at -100% physical and 93% magical (before adding in the magic defense bonus axe). The +10% MDB would be more than enough to cover that last 7% IF that is how magic defense bonus works.

I'm not positive, because I have no idea how the damage formulas would calculate MDB and -dmg atma when both are working together. If it calculates it at the same time as the -dmg atma, it should allow you to get to a perfect -100% set. But if it processes MDB, then takes the -dmg off of the result of that number, it might not be worth it (but would still get you to around -94% magic damage).
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By Bismarck.Guttler 2011-05-09 12:54:14  
Side note, if used Blighted Gloom instead of EW or Zenith, would get you to around -98% magic dmg (if it processes MDB, then takes off a % of that), but would leave no room for MC to counteract most of the slip.
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2011-05-09 12:55:44  
i believe that Atma of the Earth Wyrm is less than 10% damage taken because i noticed the difference when switching to heavens, when i was using Atma of the Earth Wyrm my pet was getting hit for alot more dmg
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By Bismarck.Guttler 2011-05-09 12:59:39  
I haven't tested Earth Wyrm since I got it, been to busy leveling SJs, seeing that now on Wiki right now about it possibly being less than 10%. Kinda annoying to read that after I took the time to brew it for my trio for the atma...
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By Bismarck.Amearth 2011-05-09 13:16:06  
Impervious Chariot if the hardest thing i have solo'd
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By Bismarck.Guttler 2011-05-09 13:26:56  
No Galkas allowed.
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By Cerberus.Forseti 2011-05-09 21:43:04  
Just a update on a BST kill ive done. I dont know if you guys would consider solo but my raptor pet was able to tank while DDing fighting Orthrus for 40 mins while a smn and sam chipped away at its health. able to trigger it too. but during the entire 40 mins my pet never died. so i can confidently say if a bst wants to go and solo it im sure they could if they want like a atheling mantle which is what we were after anyways high drop rate , we got lucky with triggers and got the other goodies along with atma. youd prob wanna join a aby altep party to get lots of time if you plan to solo it truly or take some ppl to DD it while your pet tanks. anyways thats my 2 cents. i used atma RR, DC, Zenith , usual 100% pdt setup. no mdb axes. used raptor cuz wiki states the raptor race has a slight fire resistance...but not exactly sure how much...no fire move did more than 500 dmg under ducal guard. so ya. GL bsts!
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By Bahamut.Zoltar 2011-05-09 21:46:31  
Wow thats interesting, I've always had bad luck with raptor. Makes me wanna test it with Amarok
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-09 21:55:19  
The slip dmg only stops when your hp gets to low or if you had hp buff... though sounds like they are "fixing" that now which kinda sucks since means you will be being slipped lol.

MDB is seperate from DT. It's done at the same time as MAB and 10 MDB is actually less than -10% dmg anyways.

Anyways assuming you use a regen atma to counteract WG which you almost need to do you can reach 100% pdt and 99% mdt with just atmas MKE head, shepards chain af3 legs the new belt and 2 axes. Or you could just use MKE head and use all 3 atmas for -dt and get 100% on both and try to counteract the slip dmg with pet food lol. Maybe put regen instead of haste on head :(
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-05-09 22:02:00  
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The slip dmg only stops when your hp gets to low or if you had hp buff... though sounds like they are "fixing" that now which kinda sucks since means you will be being slipped lol.

MDB is seperate from DT. It's done at the same time as MAB and 10 MDB is actually less than -10% dmg anyways.

Anyways assuming you use a regen atma to counteract WG which you almost need to do you can reach 100% pdt and 99% mdt with just atmas MKE head, shepards chain af3 legs the new belt and 2 axes. Or you could just use MKE head and use all 3 atmas for -dt and get 100% on both and try to counteract the slip dmg with pet food lol. Maybe put regen instead of haste on head :(

MDB isn't that great. I've tried it with axes. Couldn't calculate an actual difference besides the -5% more MDT i had than the other bst. Either the axes are broken or i'm not calculating right.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-09 22:07:12  
Well like I said it's seperate. So basically it's just taking a percentage off what remains which makes more mdt infinitely better when you got alot. Say you had 2 axes and no other pet MDB that would only lower your magic dmg taken by 16.7%

So let's say you already had -90% mdt that 20MDB would only take dmg down to what 91.6% would do lol.

At 99% mdt the 20 MDB would only bring you up to what 99.1666 would do :(
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-05-09 22:08:38  
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Well like I said it's seperate. So basically it's just taking a percentage off what remains which makes more mdt infinitely better when you got alot. Say you had 2 axes and no other pet MDB that would only lower your magic dmg taken by 16.7%

So let's say you already had -90% mdt that 20MDB would only take dmg down to what 91.6% would do lol

I didn't even get that much of a difference. Was checking if MDB was calculated before or after DT-. But couldn't find even that. I'll have to run more tests on them.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-09 22:10:58  
Carbuncle.Axle said:
I didn't even get that much of a difference. Was checking if MDB was calculated before or after DT-. But couldn't find even that. I'll have to run more tests on them.
They are both multiples so before after doesn't really matter except for rounding
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-05-09 22:20:57  
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Carbuncle.Axle said:
I didn't even get that much of a difference. Was checking if MDB was calculated before or after DT-. But couldn't find even that. I'll have to run more tests on them.
They are both multiples so before after doesn't really matter except for rounding

This is my basic info of a repeatative Magic AoE WS.

361 dmg to my pet -73% MDT + axes(+16 MDB)
418 dmg to my friends pet -68% MDT no axes

Still have to test more, not sure how to tell if the pets are the same lvl though.
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2011-05-09 22:43:52  
If you really wanna test do it use Cactuar or DMG mobs with divisible damage... Have your friend use the same gear as you sans axes...
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-09 22:54:12  
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Axle said:
I didn't even get that much of a difference. Was checking if MDB was calculated before or after DT-. But couldn't find even that. I'll have to run more tests on them.
They are both multiples so before after doesn't really matter except for rounding
This is my basic info of a repeatative Magic AoE WS.

361 dmg to my pet -73% MDT + axes(+16 MDB)

418 dmg to my friends pet -68% MDT no axes

Still have to test more, not sure how to tell if the pets are the same lvl though.
Hmmm the dmg difference isn't really even coming out right. Even ignoring mdb if he was taking that much your higher mdt should've put you in the low 350s
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By Hades.Stefanos 2011-05-11 14:50:01  
The Palborough Project is soloable, but I was cutting it close on time. I was at 12 minutes when I exited.

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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-05-11 14:51:13  
Starcade!!!! o wait...
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By Bahamut.Zoltar 2011-05-11 14:58:39  
So are BST using MDB axes for mobs that nuke a lot?
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2011-05-11 15:11:59  
Macro em in before a nuke goes of.
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-05-11 18:40:32  
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Axle said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Carbuncle.Axle said:
I didn't even get that much of a difference. Was checking if MDB was calculated before or after DT-. But couldn't find even that. I'll have to run more tests on them.
They are both multiples so before after doesn't really matter except for rounding
This is my basic info of a repeatative Magic AoE WS.

361 dmg to my pet -73% MDT + axes(+16 MDB)

418 dmg to my friends pet -68% MDT no axes

Still have to test more, not sure how to tell if the pets are the same lvl though.
Hmmm the dmg difference isn't really even coming out right. Even ignoring mdb if he was taking that much your higher mdt should've put you in the low 350s

Probably a lvl difference. I'll have to take nukes on my pet w/ and w/o axes. Best way to test same lvl i guess.

Anyone know of some mob that has magical dmg for a set amount? And no ovni's 1k WS isn't magical, and no 1000 Needles isn't magical.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-11 19:04:44  
Discord is. The problem is things that do specific amounts of dmg are only affected by dt... so your axes wouldn't do anything anyways
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-05-11 19:24:33  
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Discord is. The problem is things that do specific amounts of dmg are only affected by dt... so your axes wouldn't do anything anyways

Ah, could be the problem with some of my numbers.
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By Asura.Bitesized 2011-05-21 12:37:52  
Has anyone tryed soloing the KSNM99 Hills are alive? Was wanting to hunt down a sipar for skilling up shield and was wondering if anyone has tryed this yet.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2011-05-21 13:20:21  
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Has anyone tryed soloing the KSNM99 Hills are alive? Was wanting to hunt down a sipar for skilling up shield and was wondering if anyone has tryed this yet.
Sorry but the shield only drops from adaman/aspid in VoS.
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By Fenrir.Rangedhunter 2011-05-21 14:06:35  
my ls on fenrir is looking for bst and smn to join us. atm we are 9-11 bst strong most of us have -82% dmg plus - 20 phd on are pets
so - 102% phd over all and - 85% md over all (in abysea).
we accept more then bst just looking for a few more so we can have a few groups doing more then one thing at a time. please send and questions to rangedhunter@hotmail.com

(looking to make a strong ls)
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By Shiva.Galbir 2011-05-21 14:11:15  
Fenrir.Rangedhunter said:
my ls on fenrir is looking for bst and smn to join us. atm we are 9-11 bst strong most of us have -82% dmg plus - 20 phd on are pets
so - 102% phd over all and - 85% md over all (in abysea).
we accept more then bst just looking for a few more so we can have a few groups doing more then one thing at a time. please send and questions to rangedhunter@hotmail.com

(looking to make a strong ls)
I suppose you haven't heard about the nerf yet?
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By Asura.Bitesized 2011-05-22 12:23:58  
Shiva.Galbir said:
Asura.Bitesized said:
Has anyone tryed soloing the KSNM99 Hills are alive? Was wanting to hunt down a sipar for skilling up shield and was wondering if anyone has tryed this yet.
Sorry but the shield only drops from adaman/aspid in VoS.

Yes I know but you need to do KS99 now to get the pop item for him so I would have to do KS99 first in order to pop him. The others are really easy solos just I haven't tryed the ks99 yet.
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By Cathaldus 2011-05-22 12:46:22  
Asura.Bitesized said:
Shiva.Galbir said:
Asura.Bitesized said:
Has anyone tryed soloing the KSNM99 Hills are alive? Was wanting to hunt down a sipar for skilling up shield and was wondering if anyone has tryed this yet.
Sorry but the shield only drops from adaman/aspid in VoS.

Yes I know but you need to do KS99 now to get the pop item for him so I would have to do KS99 first in order to pop him. The others are really easy solos just I haven't tryed the ks99 yet.

You can solo the Behemoth and Wyrm KSNM on BST?
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