Political Science V Philosophy
Political Science v Philosophy
I beat you (albeit with a simpler response) Anye!
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise
So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
Bahamut.Serj said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic.
Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity
these are facts and are testable by scientists and in most cases by "normal" people alike.
Quantum physics says "Hi!" with all of it's paradoxes.
/luck on
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise
So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
yeah, the point I should have made was that science makes no major claims they can't back up, unlike religion.
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
I'm not sure you can even use physics to calculate the universe. For example if the universe contains everything then what is it expanding into? We clearly have made a lot of assumptions in science.
that's why those assumptions remain as theories.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
I'm not sure you can even use physics to calculate the universe. For example if the universe contains everything then what is it expanding into? We clearly have made a lot of assumptions in science.
that's why those assumptions remain as theories.
Wat
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
You act as if religion is a living breathing and thinking thing. Religion is a noun but it is not a person. To blame religion for anything is stupid because religion is responsible for nothing. If you missuse anything it will have harmful effects. Maybe you should amend your stance to just be stupid people. Stupid people harm society, religion itself is harmless and meaningless. Religion is an idea and humans are the required vehical to put that idea into motion. In fact religion was created by humans so you can't even blame religion for its own creation. The problem comes down to man, not to religion, because religion is a product of man.
Bahamut.Serj said:
I beat you (albeit with a simpler response) Anye!
Bahamut.Serj said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
I'm not sure you can even use physics to calculate the universe. For example if the universe contains everything then what is it expanding into? We clearly have made a lot of assumptions in science.
that's why those assumptions remain as theories.
Wat
exactly.
there isn't some magical system where theories evolve into laws like pokemans
they are different things entirely
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct99/940942724.Sh.r.html
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
You act as if religion is a living breathing and thinking thing. Religion is a noun but it is not a person. To blame religion for anything is stupid because religion is responsible for nothing. If you missuse anything it will have harmful effects. Maybe you should amend your stance to just be stupid people. Stupid people harm society, religion itself is harmless and meaningless. Religion is an idea and humans are the required vehical to put that idea into motion. In fact religion was created by humans so you can't even blame religion for its own creation. The problem comes down to man, not to religion, because religion is a product of man.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
Religion doesn't cause blind faith, man has blind faith. The action is being done by man. Religion does not grant us the capacity to have blind faith, so religion is not responsible for it. Once again, even without religion you'd still have blind faith and people being closed minded.
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
I'm not sure you can even use physics to calculate the universe. For example if the universe contains everything then what is it expanding into? We clearly have made a lot of assumptions in science.
that's why those assumptions remain as theories.
Wat
exactly.
there isn't some magical system where theories evolve into laws
they are different things entirely
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct99/940942724.Sh.r.html
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
I'm not sure you can even use physics to calculate the universe. For example if the universe contains everything then what is it expanding into? We clearly have made a lot of assumptions in science.
that's why those assumptions remain as theories.
Wat
exactly.
there isn't some magical system where theories evolve into laws
they are different things entirely
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct99/940942724.Sh.r.html
no that is a common misconception
read the link
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
Religion doesn't cause blind faith, man has blind faith. The action is being done by man. Religion does not grant us the capacity to have blind faith, so religion is not responsible for it. Once again, even without religion you'd still have blind faith and people being closed minded.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
I beat you (albeit with a simpler response) Anye!
I saw them xD you're good =P
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
Bahamut.Serj said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
I'm not sure you can even use physics to calculate the universe. For example if the universe contains everything then what is it expanding into? We clearly have made a lot of assumptions in science.
that's why those assumptions remain as theories.
Wat
exactly.
there isn't some magical system where theories evolve into laws
they are different things entirely
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct99/940942724.Sh.r.html
no that is a common misconception
read the link
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
Would we? I wonder what else we'd have to get rid of. Maybe Government, Laws, etc. These are all ideas created by society and standards. Having faith in them is pretty blind isn't it? You're trusting the benevolence of somebody else.
I dug up a quote I stated a long time ago; just thought I'd add to the discussion and then get to bed.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Given that truth is that which is immutable, irrefutable, and absolute--the consummate representation of all that exists--it is undeniable that we are only aware of but a fraction of truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
I dug up a quote I stated a long time ago; just thought I'd add to the discussion and then get to bed.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Given that truth is that which is immutable, irrefutable, and absolute--the consummate representation of all that exists--it is undeniable that we are only aware of but a fraction of truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
I dug up a quote I stated a long time ago; just thought I'd add to the discussion and then get to bed.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Given that truth is that which is immutable, irrefutable, and absolute--the consummate representation of all that exists--it is undeniable that we are only aware of but a fraction of truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
Otherwise it is complete meaningless blather.
It's alllll about perspective, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree on the fact that no one perspective has a grasp on absolute truth.
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ramuh.Thunderz said:
Science is typically based on evidence but when it goes to things they cant test in a lab they have to revert to theory and hypothesis and the rule is... this is what we think the result should be until proven otherwise So yeah that is that. Back to the OPs question, Start looking into other majors if law does not interest you anymore... you can always take psy as a minor.
Would we? I wonder what else we'd have to get rid of. Maybe Government, Laws, etc. These are all ideas created by society and standards. Having faith in them is pretty blind isn't it? You're trusting the benevolence of somebody else.
believing in something regardless of the facts is very different than believing in something based upon facts.
Take that I have faith in society to keep doing what they always do, because they've always done it is very different than one believing in let's say the bible, regardless of the facts.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
I dug up a quote I stated a long time ago; just thought I'd add to the discussion and then get to bed.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Given that truth is that which is immutable, irrefutable, and absolute--the consummate representation of all that exists--it is undeniable that we are only aware of but a fraction of truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
Otherwise it is complete meaningless blather.
It's alllll about perspective, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree on the fact that no one perspective has a grasp on absolute truth.
Difference is, religions say they do.
how will society benefit from another political science / philosiphy guy...
Unless you have wealthy parents and good conections to help you find a placement with your majors, start filling out your application to McDonalds.
Not trying to troll, but here in germany, over 60% of all philosopers, after 5 years after graduation have no job.
Less than 1% of engineers don't have a job after 5 years.
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Bismarck.Helixx said:
how will society benefit from another political science / philosiphy guy...
Unless you have wealthy parents and good conections to help you find a placement with your majors, start filling out your application to McDonalds.
Not trying to troll, but here in germany, over 60% of all philosopers, after 5 years after graduation have no job.
Less than 1% of engineers don't have a job after 5 years.
i like that picture XD
Bismarck.Helixx said:
how will society benefit from another political science / philosiphy guy... Unless you have wealthy parents and good conections to help you find a placement with your majors, start filling out your application to McDonalds. Not trying to troll, but here in germany, over 60% of all philosopers, after 5 years after graduation have no job. Less than 1% of engineers don't have a job after 5 years.I've been thinkin of doing mathmatics or engineering but i dont like how specialized it is. I'd like a degree that knows a decent bit about everything. Right now i study law/politics and in my spare time i teach myself upper level math.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
I dug up a quote I stated a long time ago; just thought I'd add to the discussion and then get to bed.
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Given that truth is that which is immutable, irrefutable, and absolute--the consummate representation of all that exists--it is undeniable that we are only aware of but a fraction of truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
The way I've always seen it, is that faith (in the religious sense) and truth are not mutually exclusive in the way that truth and non-truth are mutually exclusive. Faith is the innate trust that there exists something beyond the physical, mental, and emotional realms--the spiritual.
Regarding different faiths, however, one must keep in mind that while each person is able to comprehend truth and faith at such a minute level, each person is limited to a singular point of view, which is--undeniably--mutable, refutable, and, at times, erroneous.
As a result, science relates to the exploration of tangible truth, while religion the exploration of spiritual truth.
Otherwise it is complete meaningless blather.
It's alllll about perspective, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree on the fact that no one perspective has a grasp on absolute truth.
Working on it, working on it.
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Bismarck.Helixx said:
how will society benefit from another political science / philosiphy guy... Unless you have wealthy parents and good conections to help you find a placement with your majors, start filling out your application to McDonalds. Not trying to troll, but here in germany, over 60% of all philosopers, after 5 years after graduation have no job. Less than 1% of engineers don't have a job after 5 years.I've been thinkin of doing mathmatics or engineering but i dont like how specialized it is. I'd like a degree that knows a decent bit about everything. Right now i study law/politics and in my spare time i teach myself upper level math.
Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty - a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture.
Bertrand Russell
last post on this topic by me, but my last words to OP:
ask yourself if you can get a well paid job, stable job, that can support a family of 4. Does that job rely on your ABILITIES or on you getting lucky with 6-7 people that really like you and are by chance milionairs?
Engineering = skill
Philosophy = if you are not a millionair's son, dont do it FFS!
What a lot of people don't understand is that philosophy is math. Math is also philosophy. Philosophy is a verbal form of logic whereas mathmatics is symbolic. Example:
A = B Therefore: B = A (mathmatics)
Noun-A is sometimes Noun-B, therefore: Noun B is sometimes Noun-A
You can break this down into more complex series of philosophical arguments, lets look at a polynomial equation
X(2nd power) + BX+ C= 0 (Mathmatics)
The sum of a number squared and the same number multiplied by a second number and then added to a third number is zero.
You could also use philosophy to simplify any equation:
X=4Y+3
Subject Y is equivilent to 1/4th the value of X and the number 3/4ths added togethor.
That's basic, now lets look at the Quadratic formula:
X is equal to the sum of oposite B squared, added to either the value or oposite value of the square root of B multiplied by itself and added to the number that is the result of 4 times the value of A multiplied by C, all divided by the number that is twice the value of A.
It might take some thinking but you can simply these terms and understand them which is the essence of mathmatics. Mathmatics IS philosophy just in a symbolic language of representation. I think many people don't understand that Math is actually very language intensive.
For you serious math majors I probably butchered the description of the quadratic formula. Enlighten me if you know how to say it better :D
A = B Therefore: B = A (mathmatics)
Noun-A is sometimes Noun-B, therefore: Noun B is sometimes Noun-A
You can break this down into more complex series of philosophical arguments, lets look at a polynomial equation
X(2nd power) + BX+ C= 0 (Mathmatics)
The sum of a number squared and the same number multiplied by a second number and then added to a third number is zero.
You could also use philosophy to simplify any equation:
X=4Y+3
Subject Y is equivilent to 1/4th the value of X and the number 3/4ths added togethor.
That's basic, now lets look at the Quadratic formula:
X is equal to the sum of oposite B squared, added to either the value or oposite value of the square root of B multiplied by itself and added to the number that is the result of 4 times the value of A multiplied by C, all divided by the number that is twice the value of A.
It might take some thinking but you can simply these terms and understand them which is the essence of mathmatics. Mathmatics IS philosophy just in a symbolic language of representation. I think many people don't understand that Math is actually very language intensive.
For you serious math majors I probably butchered the description of the quadratic formula. Enlighten me if you know how to say it better :D
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