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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-31 15:36:00
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Like stemcell research, cloning, etc. We've branded these things as wrong, but we dont know /why/ they are wrong. Religion. Not really more or less religion, but rather I'd say the cloning part isn't ever gonna happen thanks to what religion says, but hey good luck trying lol. Stem cell research is bettering humanity and there are more than enough governmental companies to take care of any issue that arises, but it just goes a bit more when you talk about trust in your fellow man is the real issue.
Well you know I'm a republican and a conservative and one day I googled what that really meant, here is the definition:
Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were."
The idea of anyone wanting to not advance society is beyond me. In fact I mentally can't understand why somebody would want to keep things as they are unless it's somehow benefiting them incredibly.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-31 15:38:45
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I dont see how u can base a degree off of somebody else's interpretation of reality. Morals, laws, and society in general is man-made and inherently flawed.
Opinions? Do you think philosophy is better degree?
Philosophy is a shitty degree. I don't know many jobs or careers you could get with that, except teaching philosophy.
It looks good as a minor though, but unless you want to devote your career path to teaching philosophy a degree in it is just money down the toilet.
A law degree will get you much better work.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-31 15:42:27
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Philosophy is good, it allows an individual to think before you act and/or think before you judge.
If everyone on the planet had a complete understanding of Philosophy, then that's your world peace right there lol. In theory it's good, but in reality it won't get you much work.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-10-31 15:53:19
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Phoenix.Excelior said:
I dont see how u can base a degree off of somebody else's interpretation of reality. Morals, laws, and society in general is man-made and inherently flawed.
Opinions? Do you think philosophy is better degree?
Philosophy is a shitty degree. I don't know many jobs or careers you could get with that, except teaching philosophy.
It looks good as a minor though, but unless you want to devote your career path to teaching philosophy a degree in it is just money down the toilet.
A law degree will get you much better work. ^
It's a secure teaching job because every university I know has several classes on it, be it art or science w/e. Philosophy is mandatory.
but aside from that you wont get paid a couple thousand for being a great thinker, let's not forget different times now and what was well paid back then isn't anymore today.
Philosophy is for rich people or for self improvement.
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-31 15:55:39
Phoenix.Excelior said: 1. Laws that ban weed. Who the *** decided it was wrong? Why do we care that so and so decided this? Who says that his opinion means ***anyways? Drugs, from the health standpoint, are a detriment to your health, and can also cause harm to others without your intentions of doing so. Prescription drugs that can be monitored however, which usually have little/no negative effects on your body, I would approve of; this would apply to medicated marijuana. Just my opinion~
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-10-31 15:55:52
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Like stemcell research, cloning, etc. We've branded these things as wrong, but we dont know /why/ they are wrong. Religion. Not really more or less religion, but rather I'd say the cloning part isn't ever gonna happen thanks to what religion says, but hey good luck trying lol.
Stem cell research is bettering humanity and there are more than enough governmental companies to take care of any issue that arises, but it just goes a bit more when you talk about trust in your fellow man is the real issue.
Was more intended for the stem cell part but cloning is creating life outside of sex and I don't think they want that considering it's in "God's domain" or whatever.
http://jetpress.org/volume13/bainbridge.html Found this after some quick googling and it's more about cloning human embryos but still.
If you don't want to read:
"Large majorities in many opinion polls oppose cloning, but it is widely reported that opposition is greatest among religious people. For example, an ABC poll carried out in 2001 asked a random national sample of American adults whether human cloning should be legal (Sussman, 2001). Fully 95 percent of evangelical Protestants wanted it to be illegal, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 83 percent of non-evangelical Protestants, and 77 percent of non-religious respondents.
Other polls agreed. The Pew Research Center (2002) found that 88 percent of white evangelical Protestants oppose "cloning experimentation," compared with 79 percent of "mainline" Protestants, 75 percent of Catholics, and 56 percent of "secular" respondents. A Gallup poll (Saad, 2002) asked whether respondents approved or disapproved of "cloning of human embryos for use in medical research." Fully 72 percent of those who attend church weekly disapproved, compared with 66 percent of those who attend nearly weekly and only 50 percent of those who attend church less often."
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-31 16:18:54
Bahamut.Aeronis said: Phoenix.Excelior said: 1. Laws that ban weed. Who the *** decided it was wrong? Why do we care that so and so decided this? Who says that his opinion means ***anyways? Drugs, from the health standpoint, are a detriment to your health, and can also cause harm to others without your intentions of doing so. Prescription drugs that can be monitored however, which usually have little/no negative effects on your body, I would approve of; this would apply to medicated marijuana. Just my opinion~
You see the thing is you can argue any point. I would just say that if we're concerned about health then ciggerettes and alchohal should be illegal as well. I don't smoke weed but god damn how about some consistancy :/
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-31 16:34:02
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Phoenix.Excelior said: 1. Laws that ban weed. Who the *** decided it was wrong? Why do we care that so and so decided this? Who says that his opinion means ***anyways? Drugs, from the health standpoint, are a detriment to your health, and can also cause harm to others without your intentions of doing so. Prescription drugs that can be monitored however, which usually have little/no negative effects on your body, I would approve of; this would apply to medicated marijuana. Just my opinion~ You see the thing is you can argue any point. I would just say that if we're concerned about health then ciggerettes and alchohal should be illegal as well. I don't smoke weed but god damn how about some consistancy :/ They tried, the Temperance Act didn't go too well..
Although that was more about religion. I guess if they really wanted to, in todays age you could ban cigarettes and alcohol. It might be a little tough to do so though, considering the amount of people who are addicted to Cigarettes, are alcoholics, or just enjoy a drink every now and then, not to mention the companies who produce all of this and have a good sum of money in their pockets.
Carrie A Nation is a bamf btw.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 16:43:58
Excelior would ban religion if he could.
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-31 16:48:37
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could. If I had the power to do so, I probably would too. I don't see any good coming out of it besides false hope, and enhancing our culture to an extent I guess...
/derail.
By keres 2010-10-31 16:50:01
One thought for you about your choice of majoring in Political Science or philosphy is what part of law are you planning to study. Once you figure out which direction that takes you then plan a major that will be helpfull.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-31 17:06:36
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could.
Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that are inherently part of being closed-minded.
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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-10-31 17:06:36
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Bahamut.Aeronis said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could. If I had the power to do so, I probably would too. I don't see any good coming out of it besides false hope, and enhancing our culture to an extent I guess... /derail. False hope happens with or without indeed lol. Well, a safety net for the unknown I guess I would say to rephrase that. Beliefs like "I'm gonna go to heaven when I die because I do good," when clearly they don't know, but it's so drilled into their head that they don't feel the need to have any factual information. It's just stupidity in the making.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-31 17:11:16
Phoenix.Excelior said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could.
Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that is inherently part of being closed-minded.
Fair enough.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 00:38:18
Phoenix.Excelior said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could.
Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that are inherently part of being closed-minded. blind faith itself ignores reality, religion is blind faith.
religion needs wiped from the face of the planet.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-01 00:43:33
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could. Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that are inherently part of being closed-minded. blind faith itself ignores reality, religion is blind faith. religion needs wiped from the face of the planet.
Whether you believe in religion or science it's blind faith. I'm sure you believe in the big bang but I doubt you can prove it. I doubt that you can right now do the physics and the math to prove anything involving astrophysics or the origin of the universe. You blindly believe that these physists are correct. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I cant say because I know I can't do the math. In the end you have to have faith in something, whether its god or another human being you have to admit that there is a certain degree of reliance on trust.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 00:47:52
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could. Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that are inherently part of being closed-minded. blind faith itself ignores reality, religion is blind faith. religion needs wiped from the face of the planet.
Whether you believe in religion or science it's blind faith. I'm sure you believe in the big bang but I doubt you can prove it. I doubt that you can right now do the physics and the math to prove anything involving astrophysics or the origin of the universe. You blindly believe that these physists are correct. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I cant say because I know I can't do the math. In the end you have to have faith in something, whether its god or another human being you have to admit that there is a certain degree of reliance on trust. you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also I can do math quite well thank you, however even with their math they can't prove anything without a shadow of a doubt, difference is there's no reason to put a "god" in the picture in the first place. Religion is ALL ABOUT BLIND FAITH, and blind faith is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-01 00:51:15
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could. Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that are inherently part of being closed-minded. blind faith itself ignores reality, religion is blind faith. religion needs wiped from the face of the planet. Whether you believe in religion or science it's blind faith. I'm sure you believe in the big bang but I doubt you can prove it. I doubt that you can right now do the physics and the math to prove anything involving astrophysics or the origin of the universe. You blindly believe that these physists are correct. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I cant say because I know I can't do the math. In the end you have to have faith in something, whether its god or another human being you have to admit that there is a certain degree of reliance on trust. you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also I can do math quite well thank you, however even with their math they can't prove anything without a shadow of a doubt, difference is there's no reason to put a "god" in the picture in the first place. Religion is ALL ABOUT BLIND FAITH, and blind faith is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
If you can't understand it then how can you say you agree with it.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 00:53:55
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could. Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that are inherently part of being closed-minded. blind faith itself ignores reality, religion is blind faith. religion needs wiped from the face of the planet. Whether you believe in religion or science it's blind faith. I'm sure you believe in the big bang but I doubt you can prove it. I doubt that you can right now do the physics and the math to prove anything involving astrophysics or the origin of the universe. You blindly believe that these physists are correct. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I cant say because I know I can't do the math. In the end you have to have faith in something, whether its god or another human being you have to admit that there is a certain degree of reliance on trust. you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also I can do math quite well thank you, however even with their math they can't prove anything without a shadow of a doubt, difference is there's no reason to put a "god" in the picture in the first place. Religion is ALL ABOUT BLIND FAITH, and blind faith is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
It seems to me that there is a lot of blind faith in Al Gore and global warming without very much evidence. Global climate change is a possibility we should look into, it's not something that should be ignored (based upon the limited information we have on it. If a scientific study doesn't have evidence it's not very scientific, despite what some politician may call it.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 00:56:18
Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Excelior said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Excelior would ban religion if he could. Actually, I've argued in every thread that banning religion is wrong. Religion itself is a cultural belief and that's fine, the danger comes from over emphasis on those beliefs or the inability to think beyond self-inflicted limitations of rational thought that are inherently part of being closed-minded. blind faith itself ignores reality, religion is blind faith. religion needs wiped from the face of the planet. Whether you believe in religion or science it's blind faith. I'm sure you believe in the big bang but I doubt you can prove it. I doubt that you can right now do the physics and the math to prove anything involving astrophysics or the origin of the universe. You blindly believe that these physists are correct. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, I cant say because I know I can't do the math. In the end you have to have faith in something, whether its god or another human being you have to admit that there is a certain degree of reliance on trust. you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also I can do math quite well thank you, however even with their math they can't prove anything without a shadow of a doubt, difference is there's no reason to put a "god" in the picture in the first place. Religion is ALL ABOUT BLIND FAITH, and blind faith is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it.
If you can't understand it then how can you say you agree with it. Scientists check scientists, if you want to be sure you do the work to be able to understand it then see for yourself. Unlike religion (which says not to question it) question science, it's a fundamental value.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-11-01 01:05:02
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic.
Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it. I really don't know where you're getting this. No scientist ever acknowledges his or her results as fact, just supporting evidence for a theory. You can recreate some experiments depending on the science, but even in a controlled environment, things are never exact, nor absolute.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 01:11:10
Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic.
Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it. I really don't know where you're getting this. No scientist ever acknowledges his or her results as fact, just supporting evidence for a theory. You can recreate some experiments depending on the science, but even in a controlled environment, things are never exact, nor absolute.
law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity
these are facts and are testable by scientists and in most cases by "normal" people alike.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-01 01:12:57
but on the theory note, yes typically scientists usually test what are known as scientific theories, or new experiments which are based upon hypothesis.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-01 01:25:18
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic. Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it. I really don't know where you're getting this. No scientist ever acknowledges his or her results as fact, just supporting evidence for a theory. You can recreate some experiments depending on the science, but even in a controlled environment, things are never exact, nor absolute. law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity these are facts and are testable by scientists and in most cases by "normal" people alike.
I'm not sure you can even use physics to calculate the universe. For example if the universe contains everything then what is it expanding into? We clearly have made a lot of assumptions in science.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-11-01 01:26:58
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: you can recreate any event that science claims as a fact, science isn't blind faith to say so is *** moronic.
Also any part of science where somebody takes the scientific communities word for it, it's not blind faith, because they publish evidence, it's not their fault one may be unable to comprehend it. I really don't know where you're getting this. No scientist ever acknowledges his or her results as fact, just supporting evidence for a theory. You can recreate some experiments depending on the science, but even in a controlled environment, things are never exact, nor absolute.
law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity
these are facts and are testable by scientists and in most cases by "normal" people alike.
Quantum physics says "Hi!" with all of it's paradoxes.
/luck on
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-11-01 01:29:13
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity
these are facts and are testable by scientists and in most cases by "normal" people alike. Except that Newtonian mechanics only work on a small scale level, and are inaccurate when considering masses on a large scale, such as planets and stars and such. General relativity and quantum mechanics changed our perspective on all that.
Laws of thermodynamics and Boyle's law of gases, etc.--again, on a normal scale, works, but on the quantum level, is indefinite.
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Currently I'm a political science/Law & Society dual major in college. I'm thinking of changing majors to just philosophy and I'm curious if anyone else has been in this situation:
You enjoy politics but you think politics in general is stupid. The concept of freedom is relative. You think that America might be free compared to some communist states but America is not truly free. Humans are born free from birth and the only thing a law can do is restrain freedom. There is no law saying you can go to school; you can go to school whether the law says you can or not. Laws, however, can stop you from going to school by punishing you. Therefore laws can only limit freedom, never enhance freedom.
Therefore:
When you consider laws like abortion the argument always comes down to a question of morality and constitutionality. This is incredibly weak and a retarded argument to make. Basing anything on the constitution would require you to first agree with the constitution. The constitution is not reality, the consitution is another man-made self restraint of natural freedoms. Therefore; to agree that the constitution is worth upholding would require you to first acknowledge that it was written correctly and that the values in there are moral. If you agree that the constitution is the ultimate source of morality you must then ask yourself why it can be amended. If you can amend the constitution so it says: "All gays must be killed", would you still agree with the constitution? It would be constitutional but you would no longer agree with the morality. Therefore you must then acknowledge that the constitution is flawed because it was created by people who had their own set of values which may or may not be the same as yours. The constiution can be changed to redefine the goals and ideas of society, so arguing whether an issue is constitutional or not is irrelevant. Unfortunately most law is based on the constitution which means that almost all of school involving law is completely subjective and not factual.
TL:DR:
I dont see how u can base a degree off of somebody else's interpretation of reality. Morals, laws, and society in general is man-made and inherently flawed.
Opinions? Do you think philosophy is better degree?
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