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 Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-05-07 19:17:29  
ITT: Person asks question, refuses to believe answer.

I think we're being trolled.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-05-07 19:17:31  
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He must be trollin'.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-07 19:17:48  
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movement speed isnt a job trait, so it is your logic that is flawed Dasva
That in fact was the entire point. There is no job trait and yet it still enhances it.

Caitsith.Nonch said:
As a red mage who has fast cast as a JT, perhaps you could tell me your recast time for Protect 4.
Then a PLD with fast cast gear on could tell me their recast time for protect 4. I just want some evidence is all.
Pro IV is like the worst example you can use. It's base recast time is 5.75 sec. Which would go down to just over 5 sec for a nekkid rdm. And /recast can't see or do fractions of a second. ANd rdm has the trait so has more to begin with

A much better test would be Reraise with and w/o fast cast gear. However there is little point since this has been proven since like 2004
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By Ragnarok.Ruklin 2010-05-07 19:21:53  
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Caitsith.Nonch said:
movement speed isnt a job trait, so it is your logic that is flawed Dasva As a red mage who has fast cast as a JT, perhaps you could tell me your recast time for Protect 4. Then a PLD with fast cast gear on could tell me their recast time for protect 4. I just want some evidence is all. And apologies to Endternius for misquoting your name.
That's a flawed test, RDM has higher Fast Cast naturally than a PLD would by adding gear. Try casting Utsusemi without Fast Cast gear, then again with it.
this will give you the answer you don't want to believe. get over it
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-05-07 19:23:28  
For the love of god please stop responding to this and bumping it to the top.

His question was answered by like a dozen people with the exact same response. There is no more discussion to be had. If you don't use any fast cast gear on paladin, level another job jfc.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-05-07 19:25:54  
Augment was actually added to things that changes what the JT or JA does.

Example, the SAM pants say Augment because it adds counter to Third Eye.

Enhances Fast Cast just makes the affect stronger and doesn't change it in anyway.

Only thing that has "enhances" but doesnt give you the JT afaik is Dual Wield.
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By Caitsith.Nonch 2010-05-07 19:34:26  
I would but I dont own any fastcast gear yet :P
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-07 19:41:21  
Caitsith.Nonch said:
I would but I dont own any fastcast gear yet :P
Troll level: mediocre
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-05-07 20:11:13  
Caitsith.Nonch said:
what is a troll?

Just take our word on it, Loq. earring etc give you fast cast on PLD.
Dont make a fool of yourself =p
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By Siren.Jingles 2010-05-08 00:07:05  
Guys, I don't know if this is a troll... They have AGI and VIT merits.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-05-08 00:11:03  
-Bites Jingles-
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By Siren.Jingles 2010-05-08 00:14:47  
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-Bites Jingles-
D: Why so hate?
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 00:17:50  
Worst troll ever

OR

Worst player ever
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By Leviathan.Duvessa 2010-05-08 00:24:49  
Siren.Jingles said:
Guys, I don't know if this is a troll... They have AGI and VIT merits.

Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 00:26:20  
Caitsith.Nonch said:
*cries herself to sleep*

If you're not trolling then just accept Fast cast does effect PLD, it doesn't matter whether it's shown in JT list or not, It's like Double-Attack.
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By Siren.Jingles 2010-05-08 00:28:23  
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.

Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
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By Siren.Eclipsys 2010-05-08 00:33:57  
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Siren.Jingles said:
Guys, I don't know if this is a troll... They have AGI and VIT merits.

Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.

AGI affecting shield proc hasn't been proven. VIT is completely worthless. This isn't 2005.

In response to Nonch, you're a ritard.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-08 00:34:47  
Siren.Jingles said:
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
Last time I checked some moves go thru utsusemi plds still get hit with melee attacks and you can still parry with utsusemi up. Oh and you know blocking is kinda nice since not only the dmg reduction but recasting ichi so agi still useful.


Vit wont do much but it will do something.
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By Siren.Eclipsys 2010-05-08 00:35:30  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Jingles said:
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
Last time I checked some moves go thru utsusemi plds still get hit with melee attacks and you can still parry with utsusemi up. Oh and you know blocking is kinda nice since not only the dmg reduction but recasting ichi

I love when scrubs try to justify shitty merits.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-08 00:36:07  
Siren.Eclipsys said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Jingles said:
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
Last time I checked some moves go thru utsusemi plds still get hit with melee attacks and you can still parry with utsusemi up. Oh and you know blocking is kinda nice since not only the dmg reduction but recasting ichi
I love when scrubs try to justify shitty merits.
I love bandwagoners
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-05-08 00:36:17  
I think Dasva's trolling.

God I hope Dasva's trolling. VIT merits are terribad and AGI merits are worse still.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 00:36:52  
Siren.Eclipsys said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Jingles said:
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
Last time I checked some moves go thru utsusemi plds still get hit with melee attacks and you can still parry with utsusemi up. Oh and you know blocking is kinda nice since not only the dmg reduction but recasting ichi

I love when scrubs try to justify shitty merits.

Scrubs? Since when has this been a competitive game?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-05-08 00:38:10  
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Siren.Eclipsys said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Jingles said:
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
Last time I checked some moves go thru utsusemi plds still get hit with melee attacks and you can still parry with utsusemi up. Oh and you know blocking is kinda nice since not only the dmg reduction but recasting ichi
I love when scrubs try to justify shitty merits.
Scrubs? Since when has this been a competitive game?
Since ballista!!!
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By Siren.Eagleeyes 2010-05-08 00:38:26  
postin in an lulz thread, ('=' )
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By Siren.Eclipsys 2010-05-08 00:39:27  
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Scrubs? Since when has this been a competitive game?

Get back to me when you actually know what you're talking about.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-05-08 00:39:34  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
Siren.Eclipsys said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Jingles said:
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
Last time I checked some moves go thru utsusemi plds still get hit with melee attacks and you can still parry with utsusemi up. Oh and you know blocking is kinda nice since not only the dmg reduction but recasting ichi
I love when scrubs try to justify shitty merits.
Scrubs? Since when has this been a competitive game?
Since ballista!!!


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By Leviathan.Duvessa 2010-05-08 00:39:39  
Siren.Eclipsys said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Jingles said:
Leviathan.Duvessa said:
Well, if they're an absolute full-time pld with absolutely 0 intent of ever playing another job then i guess VIT and AGI merits are acceptable. VIT lowers damage taken and AGI raises shield block chance, parry, and evasion.
Except that STR merits would still benefit a Paladin more than those would, considering that VIT and AGI have pretty much no purpose when tanking /NIN (which is most of the time).
Last time I checked some moves go thru utsusemi plds still get hit with melee attacks and you can still parry with utsusemi up. Oh and you know blocking is kinda nice since not only the dmg reduction but recasting ichi

I love when scrubs try to justify shitty merits.

The simple fact that they ARE justifiable should be enough. What else would a person who ONLY plays PLD ever put there attribute merits into? STR is the only one you could really argue its worth of... And even then, they're an Elvaan... They have plenty of STR. STR also has 0 effect on atonement... In fact, the only reason a pld would stack str is if they're hitting 0's... in which case attack would be the faster route. STR is not that effective of a merit for PLD, the end.

Besides, its not like they went out of their way to put a ton of merits into them. They have 1 merit in AGI, and 1 in VIT. Who cares? Let them play how they want. 2 STR instead of 1 vit and 1 agi wouldn't benefit them a noticeable amount at all.
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