The Problem With FF Nowadays -_-

This is why we can't have nice things!


http://g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/52828/Final-Fantasy-XIII/review/#ixzz0kgO1AFWK
page 10 if you want to read the reply my friend put in.

Replace VII with VI and I'll agree.

FFVIII was the biggest smash in Japan (over VII which was NA's top Final Fantasy).

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lol don't replace vii with anything. New stuff, {Yes Please}
Quit beating that dead horse.

I LOL'd

buy ffvii if you want it lol

I was recently replaying FF7 on the PSP until I got fed up with it and started playing FFT again and I cant seem to find what makes everyone go nuts over it. It's got a nice story, but the whole cast of characters is insane.

I thought people would be jerking off to FF8 instead because Squall is a loner with few friends and ends up with Riona.

do you honestly think that anyone that hangs around at G4 has anything intellectual to say? oh boy, G4 and those people commenting. that is why there should be a Judge Dredd of the Net.

Personally I think they have been down hill since 4(2)... I still play them

I think it's been going downhill since VI.

That game was the peak of the series imo.

I've never liked VII that much even though every fanboy fangasms over it. I always preferred VIII and IX. I loved X too even though people slated it for having the Sphere grid, it was easily one of my favourite systems. Didn't like XII at all, the characters were a giant fail of fail.

I was good, II was ok III was too hard IV was awesome V was incredible.

XIII is good so far, but I hate the fact that leader dying = game over.

The only reason anyone says FF7 is bad is because they don't want to fit in.

FF7 was definitely the peak of the series, with FF6 close behind, if you ask me. Am I a fanboy? No. I'd be the first to call SE out if they made a crappy game. Not that I haven't been saying that since FF10...

Since when were you allowed to have opinions Enternius? lol jk

I prefer FFVI and IX for my own reasons, the usual "Kefka didn't TRY to destroy the world, he DID destroy the world." for FFVI, I liked the story and the fact that the lead characters were both women, not to mention it was the first FF where the lead character changed half-way. I LOVED the story, the art, and the characters of FFIX. For Example, Kuja, Not only does he start a war that kills millions, and single-handedly destroys the remnants of a dead planet, he kills his creator, surpasses the normal power of trance (his was a forced pseudo-trance), and opens a portal to a spiritual realm, all the while wearing feminine attire, and keeping his cruel, yet poetic personality close to the end.

I actually liked FFVIII, the people who don't are usually FFVII fan boys, it's hard for FFVIII to follow a game with such a following.

I'm not sure why FFVII is so 'great' in people's minds, it had so many flaws.

So I suppose you guys think that the millions of people that are in love with FFVII are just joking?

Of course it had its flaws. It would be stupid to say that it (Or any of the other FF games) didn't. But rather than focusing on the flaws of a game, you should focus on what made it actually good.

I'm listening...

If there was, the elitists on FFXIAH would all disappear... If only... ^^

Simply put, it was the first of its kind. The first 3D RPG to do everything (Or at least the majority of things) right.

Like for instance, GameInformer recently did a Top 200 Games of All Time issue, with the original Legend of Zelda at #1. Is it a good game by today's standards? Of course not. But it was absolutely revolutionary at the time, better than anything else on the market. It came out at a time where people were just starting to get impressed by 2D graphics and limited inventory/level progression (FF6). Then FF7 came and blew everything in FF6 out of the water.

While you can argue that the plot in FF7 wasn't as good as FF6, pretty much everything else was done better.

FF8 and FF9 came after FF7, of course, and after the jump to 3D, it's basically personal preference based on characters, story, locations, and battle systems, but FF7 is generally accredited as being the peak of the series because, for when it was released, it was statistically better than any other game of its time.

^ The only difference being that now everyone just says their favorite is VI because they don't want to be the VII kids of yester-year. To me, FF has always been the landmark series that takes risks and tries to innovate in some aspect with every iteration and I love that. There are plenty of other series that like to stick to a singular formula ("Tales of" comes to mind) and there's nothing wrong with that, but I'm glad Final Fantasy at least wants to keep the ball rolling instead of becoming stagnant.

Also I *** love XII, but looking at the team behind it and the handful of other games they've done, that's no surprise to me. I swear some of the criticisms that come out about these games just sound like people being so caught up in being huge nerds that they end up ruining it for themselves. With that said, it's always hard for me to compare the games just because they're in the same series due to how different they all are. I've liked every game in the series so far, though.

I never finished 7. The game too WAY too long for me to get into. The first FF game I played was 4 and loved it. I was able to get into it very easily. 8 and 13 were also very easy for me to get into. 7, 10, X-2, 12. Impossible for me to get into. Sure, the story eventually prolly would have gotten good but if it takes me too long to get interested in I stop playing. 7 was one of those for me.

Generally speaking, people who think FF7 was the best FF don't usually know why that is.

Also, most people expect a FF7 with every new release of Final Fantasy. What fans don't understand is that SE is trying to appeal to a new generation of gamers with each release, while trying their best to please their fans. If you honest to God don't like FF anymore, quit bitching about it and move on. Quite frankly, I've loved every single game they've released. Why? Because each is unique and offers the gamer something new and something else to love. If every FF that was released after 7 was exactly like 7, I would have given up on FF a long time ago. Why the *** would they copy any aspect of 7? 7 was done. Get over it.

However I do agree that remaking FF7 would be a great idea, personally. At least make the game harder, cause the game is such a joke when it comes to difficulty. Not even Emerald/Ruby are hard with the right materia combination (getting the materias is actually harder than the fights, which is meh).

Personally, FF7 was not my favorite Final Fantasy, yet if I were to play it right now, I wouldn't be able to put it down. Sounds silly, but its just the nostalgia behind it that keeps dragging me back to it.

Personally my favorites are IX, X, and VII as my third. XII would be a close 4th, with XIII directly behind it. FFVIII is my least favorite simply because the junction system was such a giant step backwards. It was so broken while at the same time incredibly boring, simply because drawing magic from enemies was so *** stupid. Everything else about VIII was amazing though, and quite personally its storyline is definitely one of the most enjoyable.

As much as I love VI, its the same case as is with VIII. Having everyone and their grandmothers being able to use Ultima is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Being able to just use the same spell over and over on every character was not thought out at all. It would have been nice if only Celes and Terra had access to some of the magic abilities later on, but having someone like Locke being able to cast powerful magic never quite stuck with me. The story was kinda meh, and I'm sure I'll get chewed out for saying that. VI was the first Final Fantasy I played, and I really did enjoy it. Its just for me a very difficult game for me to get back into if I were to play it again.

@Rinako: FFVII isn't long >_> what? Its actually fairly short, even if you grind at Wu'tai in Disc One.

No Final Fantasy is "too long". I don't even understand.

EDIT: I would like to know how VI's plot was better than VII's, unless that was just a flat out opinion.

Many, MANY of the FFVII fan boys I've met were 3-4 when FFVII was released. They'd never played anything before 7, and from 7 to 13, "nothing topped 7". You speak of FFVII being great because of it's revolutionary graphics at the time, but in reality, FFVIII had better graphics than FFVII, then FFIX had even better graphics than FFVIII, despite it's 'deformed' style of characters. FFX, FFXI, FFXII, FFXIII, these all top FFVII's graphics, so if graphics are the best you got, you have nothing. You COULD say that it was 'a classic' just like The Legend of Zelda, in which case, it is. But FFVII fanboyism Vs. actual FF fans is basically the same arguement as theists vs. atheists. "Your beliefs limit progress!" Atleast that's how it seems.

Back in my day we had to walk uphill both ways just to get to Xarcabard!

It was rough I tells ya!

For me, that was opinion.

Any "authentic"? fanboy who paid attention to FF7 would realize that its storyline is actually one of the best in the series, and to me, storyline is everything, unless something in that game completely turns me off (see 8's drawing system).

In my opinion, FF8 had one of the best storylines in the series, yet it is one of my least favorite FFs to play, unfortunately. Its a shame that the drawing system holds me back from playing so much.

If going by graphics, clearly FFXIII will win, as any other FF that comes out after that. Basing a game PURELY ON GRAPHICS is really *** stupid. I could make a 2D game, and if it had the best storyline ever by popular consensus, it'd still be ranked as trash simply because people put too much into graphics.

Also bare in mind that VII has the most variety of side-quests out of every Final Fantasy, with XII being its competitor (which is why I said variety). VII's side quests are actually very enjoyable (Gold Saucer comes to mind, even raising a chocobo).

Also the fact that Square had the guts to kill off a character in the way they did with Aerith was amazing, and to this day it still gets me shaken up. The fact that no one saw it coming around the time the game was released was pretty epic too. One could argue that it was gonna happen, considering Sephiroth said he was gonna do it, but meh. Still unexpected the way it happened.

EDIT: I tend to leave XI out of any argument when it comes to best FF in the series. Though it bears the name Final Fantasy, I really don't consider it part of the main series, sort of like Tactics and the like.

I wasn't too fond of the FFVII side-quests. Something I was fond of, however, was during the days of FFVIII being new and partially unknown, there was the flashback system. "Who is Laguna?" not to mention the main cast (except Rinoa) having a close relationship with Edea. I was amused by the mysteries of the game, and the vague hints in the in-game history thing, in the Tutorial menu.

It has nothing to do with graphics. Sure it was a different graphical style, which was definitely an upgrade, but if you compare the blocky characters of FF7 to the sprites of FF6, FF6 definitely had the "better" graphics.

Graphical style and graphics are completely different, if you ask me. Did Wind Waker have bad graphics? No. It just had different graphics.

The thing that made FF7 better was that it was a step forward, not a step up. It didn't just improve on what previous games in the series did, like FF6. It completely did something new and it did it well. 8 and 9 copied the exact same style as 7, and just improved on it graphically. Which is generally why they're considered not as good.



I guess when it comes right down to it, it highly depends on which game you played first, or which game you finish first, or something of the sort. Naturally, someone who played FF8 when it first released will like it more than someone who just played it for the first time last week.

"Best" is complete opinion in the matter, but FF7 was by far the most revolutionary, with the most actual advancements in the genre, and in games as a whole.

That and FF9's treasure hunting system were god tier. Loved those minigames so much. FF8 had the best card game imo (FF9's had LUCK in it which was annoying).

FF7 is my favourite FF overall. Yes, it was also my first. I'm not a blind fanboy and I will be the first to tell you it has a lot of faults and it could just be nostalgia goggles making it seem so good, but before that point in time nothing in my life - let alone anything I had played - enthralled me so much. It was life-changing, sad although that may sound.

Let me stop you there. 8 and 9 brought new things to the series. Card games, Weapon alteration and Synthesis. As I said in another post, FFVIII had the flashback system, and FFIX had ATE, the option to see tidbits of extra storyline. There are a few other things that the two brought. It's my opinion (remember that word) that compared to 8 and 9, 7 is kinda dry as far as 'in the past' and 'meanwhile' go.

I wouldn't call it "bad", but honestly, I just never could get into it totally, and I sincerely tried, LOL...it's the only FF game I've ever played but never finished. 8(