Basically,
Does the small amount of fSTR from the 3 str on forager's beat the 5 extra att on charger?
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Charger Mantle Vs Foragers Mantle
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Charger Mantle vs Foragers Mantle
Simple answer very doubtful though there would be math involved.
Also that 3 str is giving you another 1-2 att so charger really is only 3-4 up on it. Maybe back up to 5 if you count attack food
On top of that the relatively low base dmg makes fstr even stronger. Each fstr on normal melee hit should be somewhere between 1.5-2% dmg
Exact amounts of how much each will do are kinda based on mob you are fighting and your other stats though
Also that 3 str is giving you another 1-2 att so charger really is only 3-4 up on it. Maybe back up to 5 if you count attack food
On top of that the relatively low base dmg makes fstr even stronger. Each fstr on normal melee hit should be somewhere between 1.5-2% dmg
Exact amounts of how much each will do are kinda based on mob you are fighting and your other stats though
As a general rule, Forager's wins. If you're OCD and know that for a given situation you won't get the benefit of fSTR from Forager's due to it being the 25% where that doesn't happen or you're fSTR capped, Charger would win (potentially barring STR mod on WS) but that's not worth the coins unless you're really OCD.
Oh if you cap fstr in your tp set the chance of you capping Cratio isn't that bad either lol. And unless I'm mistaken most mnk wss are str modded
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Oh if you cap fstr in your tp set the chance of you capping Cratio isn't that bad either lol. And unless I'm mistaken most mnk wss are str modded
fSTR cap for hand to hand weapons is stupidly low.
If you are TPing in black belt and Usu body you will probably have capped fSTR on most merit/nyzul/limbus type mobs, so arguably Charger > Foragers at that point.
But the difference is tiny (2-3 attack) so not really worth the ABCs imo.
If you are TPing in black belt and Usu body you will probably have capped fSTR on most merit/nyzul/limbus type mobs, so arguably Charger > Foragers at that point.
But the difference is tiny (2-3 attack) so not really worth the ABCs imo.
fstr caps are calculated different for H2h weapons btw. Well more specifically the weapon rank is. Though it doesn't always make a difference.
Normally weapon rank is non latent(unless it is permenanent like destroyers) dmg/9 rounded down.
However H2h is (dmg+3)/9. So say destroyers are rank 2 so they have upper cap of 10 fstr.
10 fstr is acheieved at 36 Dstr. So a total of 103str on greater lolibri is needed to cap. If you are doing that in tp gear. Well your not on my character since I seriously doubt an int meritted taru can do that without a bit of help and/or silly tp gear choices
Normally weapon rank is non latent(unless it is permenanent like destroyers) dmg/9 rounded down.
However H2h is (dmg+3)/9. So say destroyers are rank 2 so they have upper cap of 10 fstr.
10 fstr is acheieved at 36 Dstr. So a total of 103str on greater lolibri is needed to cap. If you are doing that in tp gear. Well your not on my character since I seriously doubt an int meritted taru can do that without a bit of help and/or silly tp gear choices
Crap, I was calculating the weapon rank based on the 'un-broken' destroyers Damage (5, so weapon rank of 0).... lol.
Although my point still stands (although weakened). A Elvaan MNK/WAR with STR merits has 80 STR.
TP in:
Rajas (5)
BB (7)
Usu body (8)
Usu legs (5)
= 105 STR
Now that is pretty specific case (full Usukane MNK, with full STR merits and the highest STR race), but it is possible for MNK to TP with capped fSTR on weak mobs.
When you consider a lot of limbus and nyzul mobs aren't much more than even match, chances you would have capped fSTR on a lot of them even as an average MNK.
Edit: Btw I am not advocating the use of Chargers, Foragers is nearly always better and when it isn't better the difference would be tiny. I was just noting the whole 'capped fSTR' thing for purely interests sake.
Although my point still stands (although weakened). A Elvaan MNK/WAR with STR merits has 80 STR.
TP in:
Rajas (5)
BB (7)
Usu body (8)
Usu legs (5)
= 105 STR
Now that is pretty specific case (full Usukane MNK, with full STR merits and the highest STR race), but it is possible for MNK to TP with capped fSTR on weak mobs.
When you consider a lot of limbus and nyzul mobs aren't much more than even match, chances you would have capped fSTR on a lot of them even as an average MNK.
Edit: Btw I am not advocating the use of Chargers, Foragers is nearly always better and when it isn't better the difference would be tiny. I was just noting the whole 'capped fSTR' thing for purely interests sake.
even "unbroken" the ksnm crit. weapons' fSTR cap is determined by the latent's dmg. the same goes for weapons that have a +dmg/acc/atk latent <100%tp. just a lil' info to take in, lol.
Remora.Abriel said:
even "unbroken" the ksnm crit. weapons' fSTR cap is determined by the latent's dmg. the same goes for weapons that have a +dmg/acc/atk latent <100%tp. just a lil' info to take in, lol.
Kujata.Argettio said:
fSTR cap for hand to hand weapons is stupidly low.
If you are TPing in black belt and Usu body you will probably have capped fSTR on most merit/nyzul/limbus type mobs, so arguably Charger > Foragers at that point.
But the difference is tiny (2-3 attack) so not really worth the ABCs imo.
If you are TPing in black belt and Usu body you will probably have capped fSTR on most merit/nyzul/limbus type mobs, so arguably Charger > Foragers at that point.
But the difference is tiny (2-3 attack) so not really worth the ABCs imo.
wiki said:
Some weapons such as Company Sword/Company Fleuret, Blau Dolch, Maneater and Mensur Epee have their base damage increased when the latent / hidden effect is activated. Due to this damage increase, the value of Weapon Base Damage / 9 is changed, but the weapon rank doesn't reflect this change. The weapon rank is still the same as when the items have their latent / hidden effect inactive.
However, weapons that have their base damage permanently changed by a latent effect, such as Dissector, Subduer, Gondo-Shizunori and Destroyers, (the 500 or more Weapon Skill Points weapons), will always have a weapon rank based on the latent effect base damage, even before the latent effect becomes active
However, weapons that have their base damage permanently changed by a latent effect, such as Dissector, Subduer, Gondo-Shizunori and Destroyers, (the 500 or more Weapon Skill Points weapons), will always have a weapon rank based on the latent effect base damage, even before the latent effect becomes active
booo :( I wanted to call him wrong first. That's like stealing your partner's kill in Halo, Dasva. I am disappointed in you.
Fairy.Vegetto said:
booo :( I wanted to call him wrong first. That's like stealing your partner's kill in Halo, Dasva. I am disappointed in you.
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Kujata.Argettio said:
fSTR cap for hand to hand weapons is stupidly low.
If you are TPing in black belt and Usu body you will probably have capped fSTR on most merit/nyzul/limbus type mobs, so arguably Charger > Foragers at that point.
But the difference is tiny (2-3 attack) so not really worth the ABCs imo.
If you are TPing in black belt and Usu body you will probably have capped fSTR on most merit/nyzul/limbus type mobs, so arguably Charger > Foragers at that point.
But the difference is tiny (2-3 attack) so not really worth the ABCs imo.
I realised my mistake with calculating the fSTR cap after Dasva pointed it out.
But it is possible to cap on merit mobs with good TP gear (just better than my first estimation).
Not for me. Not for me. Damn taru str
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testing was done on BG, it's OLD so it'll require digging if it's still even there. latent 'company' type weapons fSTR is determined by their base damage though, not hidden.
Remora.Abriel said:
testing was done on BG, it's OLD so it'll require digging if it's still even there. latent 'company' type weapons fSTR is determined by their base damage though, not hidden.
Remora.Abriel said:
and wiki's also wrong on another point, a weapon's rank never changes (unless newer weapons have hidden effects that break this rule).
Ramuh.Dasva said:
wiki said:
Some weapons such as Company Sword/Company Fleuret, Blau Dolch, Maneater and Mensur Epee have their base damage increased when the latent / hidden effect is activated. Due to this damage increase, the value of Weapon Base Damage / 9 is changed, but the weapon rank doesn't reflect this change. The weapon rank is still the same as when the items have their latent / hidden effect inactive. However, weapons that have their base damage permanently changed by a latent effect, such as Dissector, Subduer, Gondo-Shizunori and Destroyers, (the 500 or more Weapon Skill Points weapons), will always have a weapon rank based on the latent effect base damage, even before the latent effect becomes active
it's early, I read that part wrong. editing, lol.
edit: doesn't that last line kind of confirm what I said earlier any way? it wouldn't be too hard to test the tp latent weapon's rank while active/inactive (may take some time if you're constantly one-shotting mobs though).
I'd like to say I've tested it, but I just don't remember. I did too many different test with perdu weapons when they came out to remember exactly what claims I did confirm.
edit: doesn't that last line kind of confirm what I said earlier any way? it wouldn't be too hard to test the tp latent weapon's rank while active/inactive (may take some time if you're constantly one-shotting mobs though).
I'd like to say I've tested it, but I just don't remember. I did too many different test with perdu weapons when they came out to remember exactly what claims I did confirm.
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