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Regulate Religion, Not Guns.
Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 17:30:17
Ragnarok.Anye said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Referring to the church/Nazis/crusaders--not everyone who proclaims they work in the name of God actually DO the will of God. Remember that people will do anything, such as take advantage of a "good name," in order to achieve extremely selfish means. Exactly what you said, "Nice way to follow your religion"--it wasn't, nor do I see a lot of Christians who act in the name of God do so. However, that is not to say that there aren't those who don't try to follow Biblical teaching .... I'm really not following your point. Either you don't understand what I've said or you didn't read it? XD The point is they believed they were. Weather you believe they were or if they actually are doesn't matter. They were still doing it because of there beleive. Really the people that led those same things would say the same about you. And in fact that was sometimes the drawing point lol. What you don't want to fight for your religion!?! Heretic!!!
Saying that they weren't really following the religion is a sorta minimizing of it to make it seem like they aren't really one of you.
Hope you understand and read it this time
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-03 17:48:37
Ramuh.Dasva said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Referring to the church/Nazis/crusaders--not everyone who proclaims they work in the name of God actually DO the will of God. Remember that people will do anything, such as take advantage of a "good name," in order to achieve extremely selfish means. Exactly what you said, "Nice way to follow your religion"--it wasn't, nor do I see a lot of Christians who act in the name of God do so. However, that is not to say that there aren't those who don't try to follow Biblical teaching .... I'm really not following your point. Either you don't understand what I've said or you didn't read it? XD The point is they believed they were. Weather you believe they were or if they actually are doesn't matter. They were still doing it because of there beleive. Really the people that led those same things would say the same about you. And in fact that was sometimes the drawing point lol. What you don't want to fight for your religion!?! Heretic!!!
Saying that they weren't really following the religion is a sorta minimizing of it to make it seem like they aren't really one of you.
Hope you understand and read it this time
Maybe they only wanted to follow the old testament rules? And Hitler didn't kill all those people for religion, he did it cause he didn't get into art school... that's a good reason right?
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-12-03 18:17:50
God is a subjective experience to each individual.
To Nonbelievers: Quit asking for objective evidence as proof, and quit saying that the lack of objective evidence is proof of nonexistence.
To believers: Quit thinking that your subjective experience proves anything to anyone but yourself, because it doesn't.
People who bash religion because they are so egotistical to think they have all the answers are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and need to be slapped.
People who thump their Bibles in other peoples faces as if they give a ***are equally as HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and need to be kicked in the face.
If you guys are going to argue at least try to argue something that isn't on a *** 2nd grade level like stupid *** creationist ***, noah's ark and w/e the *** else. Can people actually come up with an original thought for once, and that's for both sides. It's always the same semantics *** over and over again with this crap. Try moving past the surface crap and at least argue something that's halfway interesting.
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Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-03 18:24:18
All i was doing was trying to stop the bashing!
Oh, almost forgot... everyone stop bitching
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By Hades.Stefanos 2009-12-03 18:31:49
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: God is a subjective experience to each individual.
To Nonbelievers: Quit asking for objective evidence as proof, and quit saying that the lack of objective evidence is proof of nonexistence.
To believers: Quit thinking that your subjective experience proves anything to anyone but yourself, because it doesn't.
People who bash religion because they are so egotistical to think they have all the answers are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and need to be slapped.
People who thump their Bibles in other peoples faces as if they give a ***are equally as HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and need to be kicked in the face.
If you guys are going to argue at least try to argue something that isn't on a *** 2nd grade level like stupid *** creationist ***, noah's ark and w/e the *** else. Can people actually come up with an original thought for once, and that's for both sides. It's always the same semantics *** over and over again with this crap. Try moving past the surface crap and at least argue something that's halfway interesting.
/thread.
One can hope at least.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 19:06:14
Fairy.Vegetto said: @ the Scientology comment:I don't even know what they're all about except for 4chan trollin em all the time and what I hear of them taking ppl's money
............
wow, just wow the Internet is your freaking friend.
Ramuh.Ardath
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By Ramuh.Ardath 2009-12-03 19:19:42
Religion is a business, period.
oh, and there is no God.
My two cents....
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 19:25:53
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: God is a subjective experience to each individual.
To Nonbelievers: Quit asking for objective evidence as proof, and quit saying that the lack of objective evidence is proof of nonexistence.
To believers: Quit thinking that your subjective experience proves anything to anyone but yourself, because it doesn't.
People who bash religion because they are so egotistical to think they have all the answers are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and need to be slapped.
People who thump their Bibles in other peoples faces as if they give a ***are equally as HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and need to be kicked in the face.
If you guys are going to argue at least try to argue something that isn't on a *** 2nd grade level like stupid *** creationist ***, noah's ark and w/e the *** else. Can people actually come up with an original thought for once, and that's for both sides. It's always the same semantics *** over and over again with this crap. Try moving past the surface crap and at least argue something that's halfway interesting.
what are you then, the person above both sides? you are the most ignorant one and the one troling the convo now stfu.
Unicorn.Tarowyn
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By Unicorn.Tarowyn 2009-12-03 19:36:56
I dunno how long it's been like this but I just noticed I'm getting scientology ads next to the reply box.
I hope you guys are happy.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 20:04:35
Unicorn.Tarowyn said: I dunno how long it's been like this but I just noticed I'm getting scientology ads next to the reply box.
I hope you guys are happy.
we are lol
BELIEVE IN SCIENTOLOGY!!!
Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-03 20:04:54
I believe in God.
You don't believe in God.
Who the hell cares?
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By Lakshmi.Aaroca 2009-12-03 20:32:59
I only get shoes.com adverts anymore D:
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 20:33:58
Gilgamesh.Andras said: I believe in God.
You don't believe in God.
Who the hell cares?
apparently alot of people care if you don't believe in God, hence why they say you'll go to Hell if you don't repent.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-12-03 20:37:41
Gilgamesh.Andras said: I believe in God.
You don't believe in God.
Who the hell cares? Seems to me that people who dont believe in god are too busy smashing in your face "God doesnt exist so you are stupid!"
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 20:38:29
Asura.Ludoggy said: Gilgamesh.Andras said: I believe in God.
You don't believe in God.
Who the hell cares? Seems to me that people who dont believe in god are too busy smashing in your face "God doesnt exist so you are stupid!"
/nod
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 20:44:53
/nod
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-12-03 20:46:11
This is why we all should just be Jedi's.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 20:48:31
Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This is why we all should just be Jedi's. Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: /nod
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By Seraph.Xdudemanx 2009-12-03 20:51:33
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This is why we all should just be Jedi's. Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: /nod /yes
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-12-03 20:52:15
Seraph.Xdudemanx said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This is why we all should just be Jedi's. Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: /nod /yes The force doesnt exist and you are stupid for thinking it does!
(yeah take that)
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-03 20:55:27
Asura.Ludoggy said: Seraph.Xdudemanx said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Gilgamesh.Alyria said: This is why we all should just be Jedi's. Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: /nod /yes The force doesnt exist and you are stupid for thinking it does!
(yeah take that)
I smell another Politics and Religion thread...
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-12-03 20:58:28
Don't mind padawan Ludoggy, Master Yoda did not approve his application!!
Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-03 21:02:15
I might make one "Regulate Jedis, not Guns"
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 21:02:22
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-12-03 21:04:00
At least Jedi's accept any religion :P
Quote: Welcome
Here at the Church of Jediism we connect Jedi of all walks of life from all genre and back grounds to the one goal of uniting the understanding and fulfillment of life in its greatest form. You don’t have to change your religion or drop a certain belief to become a part of the Church of Jediism. All you need is to understand and use the tools of the Church of Jediism in your existence and you will see mass life improvement almost over night.
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-12-03 21:13:12
All of this collectively is suddenly making me think I'm really cool for being entirely apathetic towards forming an opinion on what I believe about religion and my existence. The Existential crisis shouldn't hit until you're like 40 and -actually- hate your life, amirite?
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Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2009-12-03 21:16:00
GTFO JEDI
Midgardsormr.Frobeus
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-12-03 21:27:45
Bahamut.Stanflame said: what are you then, the person above both sides? you are the most ignorant one and the one troling the convo now stfu.
If by "sides" you mean arguing meaningless crap, then yes.
The fact that the most debated aspects of this discussion are the most trivial and insignificant, does not speak to me being the ignorant one.
So far we have had
1. Religion kills people
2. God is stupid
3. The Earth is older than (4000) years. (Random # some moron pulled out of their ***, since even idiot creationists think its 6000)
4. Noah's Ark is impossible
5. Prove "God" using "Human" methods
These are the most intellectually challenging things you guys can come up with over 20+ pages?
Again, this is all kindergarten *** that doesn't really deserve actual responses. Considering any thought out response would only elicit 2 responses.
1. "God is fake!" Followed by "All you religion people are just mad b/c I showed you that all your beliefs are false with my above statement" And this will just be repeated over and over until others give up
2. "It's all true!" Followed by "You can't prove it's not real and/or lol your going to hell". Repeated over and over etc.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 21:30:20
Midgardsormr.Frobeus said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: what are you then, the person above both sides? you are the most ignorant one and the one troling the convo now stfu.
If by "sides" you mean arguing meaningless crap, then yes.
The fact that the most debated aspects of this discussion are the most trivial and insignificant, does not speak to me being the ignorant one.
So far we have had
1. Religion kills people
2. God is stupid
3. The Earth is older than (4000) years. (Random # some moron pulled out of their ***, since even idiot creationists think its 6000)
4. Noah's Ark is impossible
5. Prove "God" using "Human" methods
These are the most intellectually challenging things you guys can come up with over 20 pages?
Again, this is all kindergarten *** that doesn't really deserve actual responses. Considering any thought out response would only elicit 2 responses.
1. "God is fake!" Followed by "All you religion people are just mad b/c I showed you that all your beliefs are false with my above statement" And this will just be repeated over and over until others give up
2. "It's all true!" Followed by "You can't prove it's not real and/or lol your going to hell". Repeated over and over etc.
glad to see your response to our so-called "kindergarten ***"
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By Midgardsormr.Frobeus 2009-12-03 21:43:49
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: glad to see your response to our so-called "kindergarten ***"
Yes, because through out this thread you have been the pinnacle of respect and courteousness.
A lot of the people in this world believe we need to regulate drugs and guns to make this a safer place. I have a different insight. I think if you're going to regulate one thing that has the most potential to cause death and destruction, it should be religion. Religion is dangerous, and I don't say this out of bitterness. I was raised catholic. I was never molested, but.. Meh i'm a little insulted lol. I was attractive, so hey it was their loss.
What I have against religion is... They start you when you are so defensless. I was 3 years old when they started pumping this BS into my head. I believed in Santa Clause and the Fairy Godmother, ofcourse I believed in virgin birth, a guy that lived in a whale, and a woman came from a rib. But then, something very important happened to me that made me doubt all of it. I graduated the 6th grade :)
What is so hard about saying "I don't know" !?
Ofcourse there are questions that plaque all of us...
How did we get here?
What happens when we die?
Is there a heaven?
Am I on the list?
Who let the dogs out?
So why would you believe some other human being (Who's brain "I promise you is no bigger or better than your own") when he tells you he knows what happens when you die?
"Don't masturbate now, or you won't get to hang out with Jesus in heaven! How do I know!? I've got a pointy hat! I have a hat, and a robe, I have smoke and a wand!"... It's so gay.
Every Sunday is like a pageant with the costumes, the wands, the goblets, the smoke, and the men kneeling down in front of other men with their mouths open.. Nothing gay about that!
Religion, easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things He does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place full of fire, and smoke, and burning, and torture, and anguish, where he will send you to live to burn, and suffer, and choke, and scream, and cry forever and ever untill the end of time. BuT He LoVeS YoU <3 <3 <3 <3
He loves you and he always needs MONEY! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, and all wise, but somehow he just can't handle money o.O!! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more $$$$$ Talk about a good bullshit story.. Holyshit!
This is Sincere: When it came to believing in god, I really tried. I wanted to believe that there was a god who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I tried, but the longer you live, the more you look around, and the more you realize that something is ????d up:
(War Disease Death Destruction Hunger Filth Poverty Torture Crime)
This is not good work. If this is the best god can do, I am not impressed. A results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. These are the results you would expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.
Between you and me... In any feasibly ran universe, this guy would have been out on his all powerful ass a long time ago. I say guy, because if there really is a god he has to be a man. No woman could or would ever ???? things up like this ^.^
If there is a god, I think that most reasonable people would agree that he is atleast incompetent, and maybe.. Just maybe.. He doesn't give a shit. Which I admire in a person, and it would explain a lot of these bad results. So instead of being just another mindless-religious robot, mindlessly.. Aimlessly.. Blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompitent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to find something else to worship. Something I could actually count on...
I immidiatly thought of the sun. Overnight, just like that. I became a sun worshipper, but not overnight because you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning....
Several reasons...
First of all, I can see the sun. (Unlike a few other gods I know). I'm big on that, if I can see something it kind of helps the credibility. So everyday I can see the sun as it gives me everything I need: Light, Heat, Food, Flowers in the Park, Reflections in the Lake, the occasional skin cancer but hey.. Atleast there are no crucifixions and setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worshipping is simple. There are no mysteries, no miracles, no pageantry, noone asks for money, no songs to learn, and we don't have a building we gather together in once a week to compare clothing.
Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? Its god's will~? It will be done. Fine, but if it's god's will, he is going to do what he wants to anyway... Why the hell pray for it in the first place? Couldn't you just skip the paying, and just go straight to god's will?
I do believe prayers are answered though.. Maybe at a 50% rate! Half the time I get what I want. Half of the time I don't. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the wishing well, the rabbit's foot, the mojo man, same as the voodoo lady that tells you fortune by squeezing a goat's testicle. It's all the same.. 50/50... So just pick your superstition, make a wish, and sit back and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to the bible for moral lessons, and literary qualities... I'll suggest a few other stories for you... You might want to look at:
~The Three Little Pigs (It has a nice happy ending)
~Little Red Riding Hood (Although it has that X-rated part where the wolf actually eats the grandmother)
~Humpty Dumpty (All the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again. That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God.)
If there is a God, may he strike me dead!....
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o.O Nothing happened... lol
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