GEO Enmity+ Set?

I'm kind of a GEO newb but I was looking to throw together an Enmity+ set for Limbus. Mainly for Dispelga, so I can spam it and the BRD can run away to pull more stuff or catch butterflies or whatever, and instead of chasing them the mobs will join me in my precious bubble so we can all be friends.

I'm not finding a whole lot, which isn't surprising really. I'll probably make an Enmity+ Ambu cape, but besides that this is all I came up with:

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Anyone else done anything like this?

Mages don't appear to have any enmity+ ilvl pieces, even augments. Can do food/merits though

Well, you can get enmity+ on merlinic via DM augs <,<; If you wanna burn the inventory on that.

But, I can tell you right now... Dispelga has virtually no CE/VE. It's 1 CE 160 VE. And that VE will drain to nothing in 2.6~ seconds. Basically, by the time you can cast it again.. it's all gone, except for that 1 CE. And a GEO's limited enmity set isn't gonna improve that by much. It's fine for getting on the hatelist to begin with, but... It's not doing much to build actual hate. Horde lullaby is 20 CE base. You're not gonna keep hate off the BRD with dispelga if they slept the mobs, unless you wanna cast that 20 times before they leave. And if the BRD tagged any of those mobs before aggroing to pull them, then you're looking at a 200 CE pull bonus you'd need to overcome.

The only way you're keeping hate with dispelga is if the BRD was only aggro'd to begin with. Although... I suppose, technically, if your enmity set can get that VE to last a bit over 3 seconds, then constant back to back spam could keep the mobs on you vs a lullaby's CE. But.. Dispelga costs a lot of MP. SO.. it's hard to imagine that degree of spam being sustainable.

Unless the specific mobs are dark sleep resistant, I think it'd make a lot more sense to GEO/BLM, and sleepga the mobs the BRD aggro's. That or you'd need to sub something with something actual enmity tools, like /BLU. A single aoe blu spell would rip hate right off a pre-aggro tagged mob and a lullaby even without any enmity+.

Aoe Tagging with dispelga then using a self targeted enmity action is also valid, but... Can't think of many options there for the self targeted enmity action. There's cures... but... you'd need to rig up a cure cheat, since you actually need to cure for HP value to generate the enmity. And cure enmity is divided by the number of mobs on your hatelist... so if you've got a hefty pull, then you get a tiny pittance of CE/VE per cast. Furthermore, most subjobs that give you cure... also give you Tranquil heart, which reduces cure enmity(/PLD being the exception) -_-; If the pull was fairly small... it might still work for a low enmity situation like brd agro only pulling then sleeping. Still better than dispelga spam though, and more MP efficient.

If you're ML45 and go /run then you could use foil, and that'd work great! rofl. XD

Sadly the use case for this is generally when I'm main heal so it's GEO/WHM.

I've had decent success holding it off BRDs with Dispelga but I hear your logic, and in hind sight it's probably just because I can usually get the first action bonus.

Hmmmm. Pull/first action CE bonus is only granted if the mob was idle when the action landed. Aggro'd mobs don't get a CE bonus for the first action taken on them. Thus, if the brd brought them to you, you weren't getting the bonus. So there's probably some other factor at work if you were mostly keeping them. Or if you tagged a bunch of idle mobs with dispelga, then you'd get the 200 CE bonus on them, and that'd glue them to you pretty well.

If the BRD only aggro'd the mobs, then they should stay on you anyway once tagged, unless the BRD also slept them. If the BRD tagged the mobs while they were idle to pull them, then they'd be getting the 200 CE bonus, and any such specific mob should run off after the BRD the second they are awake, regardless of dispelga spam(dispelga's 161 TE is less the 200 CE from pull bonus, so even at the highest spike VE value, you'd never have more hate than the BRD if they got the pull bonus. And that's not counting the CE from whatever action the BRD pulled with. Though, I also haven't factor'd your enmity+.)

Could ask the BRD to only aggro pull mobs, as avoiding any pull bonuses would make it easier to mostly keep them on you. But... this may make them pull a bit slower, so... Decide if that's worth it.

i've seen and done many runs on GEO/WHM, but I never found myself thinking "if only i had more enmity gear" tbh.

I usually follow this rotation:

-stay close to the BRD while it pulls, once it reaches the camp, there's enough time to throw Frailty (can precast BoG at start of floors in most cases and will still be up once you reach the camp), meanwhile the BRD will take some expected dmg pre-lullaby, but with 4000+ hp it's perfectly fine.

-Once frailty is up, Curaga 3 centered on me or the BRD to hit everyone or a cure IV on the original puller to enter the enmity list and activate frailty on mobs.

-At that point it's either gonna be "start erasing/-na ppl", or throw more Curaga 2/3 etc etc.


I struggle to understand why wasting inv slots for irrelevant enmity gear on GEO, in most situations BRD will already pull enough mobs at the camp, and i personally never noticed what worries you about BRD going away from camp pulling more and mobs following it, never! Not even when i run as DD or RDM!

Idk, honestly i think you're overkilling it in this case, for no real benefit as the situations you thought about aren't common nor ideal or that dangerous to begin with. Even if the BRD keeps hate, he can pull from range, mobs might follow it for few y and then come back to the bubble. I often get hate without Enmity set by just throwing curagas 2-3 once frailty etc are up, but i let ppl take enough dmg before throwing subsequent curagas after the first to put myself into enmity list!.But seriously, you can heal through anything as GEO/WHM with MP refilled every floor.. this whole argument feels like a non issue in my experience.



...Unless you'll tell me that healing the puller doesn't put you into the Enmity list within Limbus, idk why Dispelga would make more sense than CUragas, ppl taking dmg is a non issue and actually helps you generating more enmity, while that situation where BRD gotta pull more enemies adn they will follow him instead of fighting DDs is so rare in my cases, that it truly is a non issue to me XD. It's like those rare instances where mobs will be placed horribly and half of them will be too far from Frailty... in those cases i just Full Circle>Geo-Frailty again once ppl move to those mobs and call it a day, tbh with good parties you can get sub 35 minutes temenos runs and things die so quickly that it's whatever.

...but it's your inventory and your sub at the end of the day : P

If you're in the same party as the brd, you could get a pianissimo sirvante. I'm also a fan of dirge on the brd in like segs for the same reason to help the DDs keep the mob with the brd running off to keep pulling.

Keep in mind Sirvente only reduces enmity loss, it doesn't give any +enmity at all.

It won't be totally useless for maintaining hate..but it will be pretty close.

Wouldn't pulling more mobs on the way to camp by yourself or one of the other party members so the BRD doesn't have to go and grab more save you the inventory slots while solving the problem?

Good catch, I did not keep that in mind

I'd 2nd /blu if it were possible, among what geo/whm could do best I can see is maybe tag brd with cure then cycle some barspells, but it really seems like too much work just to grab from a lullaby. But that's ~1/300 CE/VE(tag cures likely not adding anything?) for 10~% the cost of dispelga and can quickly be spammed, could get more if others are on the hate list but doubting that's consistently the case in this situation.

Because sometimes the BRD hasn't lullabied yet, or lullaby missed a couple mobs? Just drop a Dispelga. It's bigger AOE than Lullaby, plus half the mobs in Limbus will have buffs up anyway so it's a two-fer. Maybe get rid of some Protects/Shells/Minnes and stuff as a bonus.

I guess I'd flip the question around, idk why Curaga would make more sense than Dispelga. Maybe if MP was a concern but it isn't.

I already carry this gear for my RUN so it's just inv-1 for the ambuscade cape if I make it. Which after this discussion I likely won't, but I still intend to use the other enmity+ pieces. Cuz why not?

Which is really the point of this discussion. It's not a "how do I fix this massive problem?" question like you seem to be reading it. It's a "I've noticed every once in a blue moon the BRD needs to pull more stuff after we're at camp (Apollyon turtle floor comes to mind, BRD sometimes runs off to pull more raptors), what can I do to maximize efficiency in those rare situations?" question.

Let's face it, majority of the time this game is pretty easy. I could GEO heal most Limbus runs in my sleep, but it's in those rare moments where something slightly off-script happens that the more prepared player can really shine, and I live for those moments. It's what I love about this game, the diversity of gear and swaps allow you to prepare for all sorts of eventualities. Why stop at "good enough"?

Don't forget about Widened Compass too, although I usually save it in case this happens with a blazed bubble.

Sure most of the time that should be what happens. But it won't always be the case. The aforementioned turtle floor comes to mind, or maybe you come upon another party and so you end up with less mobs than you expected during the pull. Stuff happens.

Do you guys really only prepare for the ideal scenario?

Never thought of Dirge on the Bard. Every bit helps! Especially if the group is killing fast enough that the BRD isn't really engaging anyway. Seems like a solid idea!