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 Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-01-09 00:27:04  
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Would still use Turms on THF/DNC/RUN
Asura.Dexprozius said: »
Turm's beats the Null masque for the jobs that can wear it. It's more of an idle piece for every other job to get access to regain/etc. I dont see the price of it going down at all

(Was an Asura joke)
You just have to say it enough times and it will happen
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By paladinepsot 2025-01-09 00:29:22  
Neck is probably close to or bis for straight up magic accuracy, even against augmented JSE. Same with the belt. Cape and belt are both top tier evasion pieces. Back should be equal to or better than standard TP types unless you have a really niche need so that's probably a good amount of inventory+

Head is going to be the new idle piece. Everyone's going to be wearing it in town. It's the neo-beseiged walahra turban.
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By Chimerawizard 2025-01-09 00:29:23  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »


LOL
You know what this means, right?
yes, :sigh: I do.
1% drop slot. shared by 4 items.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-01-09 00:31:43  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
And don't forget to crash the price of Turms Cap +1

Eh, I'd imagine most people using Turms Cap +1 now are probably gonna keep using it for mostly the same purposes. Idle piece with Regen+7/Regain+5 is better than idle piece with Regen+3/Regain+2. Definitely for THF DNC, and probably for RUN too unless someone reeeeealy wants that refresh+1. I suppose the DT- might make some builds work, but not really an issue for me now to have capped PDT/MDT even without the head slot and without other significant sacrifices.

The real value is that this one is all jobs, so pretty cool for the 19 jobs that aren't on Turms.

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(Was an Asura joke)
You just have to say it enough times and it will happen

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By Manque 2025-01-09 00:33:00  
Only visible piece is the head. Curious to see if they re-skinned the classic darkness mask thing or if it's the same model. Not such a big fan of it looks-wise but oh well.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-01-09 00:38:02  
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that evasion though. going to be a lot easier to build a cap evasion set with those.
back/waist going to help w/ magic evasion too.

Waist is looking amazing for Gandring/Su4 THF evasion builds. Prob the piece I'd most like to play around with!
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-01-09 00:51:45  
I haven't been able to do a full count in my head, but so far, im seeing about 21 Ambuscade capes I can just toss for the new one. It doesn't have (P)DT on it, but sets can be adjusted to compensate for that. WAR THF MNK still would be good for the extra MA dmg+, and maybe I wouldn't want more DA on RDM TP cape. But definitely a great new item.

Now to see how bad the drop rate really is.
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-01-09 00:52:08  
Wish I could swap DA+7 and DT-5% on Neck and Back...

Either way stuff looks good.
Ammo replaces Halakaala for the things it was used for, and it also replaces Ullr on RDM, which is nice so I'm gonna stop losing my TP in all the sets I was using Ullr for.

Cape is gonna be good regardless for a lot of jobs, unsure if it's better than Aurist+1.
In terms of pure macc yeah, but when you factor the 33 MND/INT it's a tough call because those things convert to macc (variable rate, but on average it's probably close to 2:1).
When it converts to 2:1 it's slightly better but we could call it even.
Thing is that MND/INT for some debuffs converts to potency too.

Not many RDM debuffs where that's relevant. Frazzle and Distract come to mind, probably something else.
Which kinda means you're not getting Inventory+1 alas.
I guess if you accept the compromise it's a solid swap.

Can also be used for Eva and Meva capes, if you don't need DT in that slot, so again that's another couple of inventory gains, for me at least.
Not sure I'd want to use it as a TP cape for meleeing jobs. On some probably so, on other jobs where I have multiple TP capes I dunno. It's more raw acc, which is good, but no (P)DT and 3% less DA/STP, but you get BOTH of them instead of one or the other.
Eeeeh...
Either way, very interesting option to say the least.

Belt is gonna be a tough option, but I welcome another good option nonetheless. Basically for defensive purposes it's gonna be Platinum vs Engraved vs Null. Different stuff for different purposes. This one is also very nice if for some reason you want Acc instead of Haste or DW in the waist slot.
Last but not least there's the macc part where this is kinda BiS. There's Obstinate Sash though, it gives slightly less macc overall, but has Skill and MND and the Enf duration which probably makes that retain its role for jobs who can use it.

Neck I dunno what to say, defensively it doesn't necessarily looks better than R15 Loricate+1, it does look good as an acc swap for several jobs though, and it's probably BiS for macc, bar the INT/MND stuff I said before, which only applies to a bunch of debuffs either way.


Now... let's see how hard/annoying this BC is and how bad the drop rates are.
Even if they're as bad as Shinryu AT LEAST it's "only" 4 items and not 8, so even in that scenario the odds of getting something you want should be SLIGHTLY better, I think?
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By Moonlightagb 2025-01-09 00:52:40  
Every HTMB has had weapons right?

Great cape and also an inventory saver for non mythic AM3 jobs it seems.

Lots of good idle pieces for evasion, regain, refresh, regen and/or meva. That's also more hp/mp/def/vit/mnd/haste/dt than usual on the mask for an all jobs piece

SE isn't sure what slot a "loop" goes in. Storm Loop is an earring, Naji's Loop is a ring, and now we have Null Loop to wear in the neck slot... I guess the loop is big enough for our head
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By Tarage 2025-01-09 00:52:52  
Not a pet stat to be found. Whelp, guess that's a skip for me.
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By Sylph.Takutu 2025-01-09 00:54:32  
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Every HTMB has had weapons right?

I couldn't find a weapon in the DATs, but it's always possible I missed something.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-01-09 00:56:13  
Asura.Sechs said: »
Ammo

No ammo in that list.
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By paladinepsot 2025-01-09 00:57:39  
Sylph.Takutu said: »
Moonlightagb said: »
Every HTMB has had weapons right?

I couldn't find a weapon in the DATs, but it's always possible I missed something.
Shield? Grip? Ranged? ...Animator?
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-01-09 00:57:51  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
Ammo

No ammo in that list.
Wtf I misread, noooooooouuuuu Y___Y
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By Shichishito 2025-01-09 01:02:36  
paladinepsot said: »
Neck is probably close to or bis for straight up magic accuracy, even against augmented JSE.
Had to happen now that I finally gave in and bought a JSE neck +2 and turned in the first couple of crystals for augmenting to make sure I can't sell it anymore.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2025-01-09 01:05:05  
Moonlightagb said: »
Every HTMB has had weapons right?

This one has weapons too, they're just such a terrible drop rate that they aren't even in the .DATs.
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By Chimerawizard 2025-01-09 01:10:14  
They really are going to make us wait the full 150min even though they had the [check version] up fairly early.
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By Asura.Oraine 2025-01-09 01:17:06  
lets go 13min!
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By Asura.Oraine 2025-01-09 01:18:07  
Shichishito said: »
paladinepsot said: »
Neck is probably close to or bis for straight up magic accuracy, even against augmented JSE.
Had to happen now that I finally gave in and bought a JSE neck +2 and turned in the first couple of crystals for augmenting to make sure I can't sell it anymore.

perfect great for RDM. sounds badd ***
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By paladinepsot 2025-01-09 01:19:46  
RDM would only use it for frazzle2 really, the rest would be in torque
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By Chimerawizard 2025-01-09 01:19:55  
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By eliroo 2025-01-09 01:27:11  
The cape is weird. Without the 10% PDT I am not sure it replaces ambuscade capes for 50/50 hybrid builds. It will be really strong in full on DT mega sets where TP gain is already being dumped and it will be good in 30/50 hybrids or lolglass builds. Would probably require some simming to figure out where it fits.

Head piece has a massive amount of haste on it, may be good for making safe melee sets for the nonBunzi mages who didn’t pick up Lehkos.
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By Chimerawizard 2025-01-09 01:29:01  
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By Asura.Oraine 2025-01-09 01:32:20  
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it's up

where do you go for the pop?
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By Chimerawizard 2025-01-09 01:35:54  


went in on Normal. well, i died. didn't expect any ads going in.
got back up and tried to continue, another ad spawned right away. HP'd.
I tried entomb & dream flower. neither worked on the ads.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-01-09 01:37:36  
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Chimerawizard said: »
it's up

where do you go for the pop?

In the update notes:

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You can enter the Reisenjima Sanctorium from the Etched Rock in Reisenjima (K-9).
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By paladinepsot 2025-01-09 01:41:10  
I got a durium sheet!

I didn't weaponskill during blinky head phase, it's release didn't kill me but it wiped trusts and inflicted weakened.

it does some heavy dispelling.
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By Agraxnish 2025-01-09 01:46:21  
Yup got 2 adds on E, so I guess OD strat isn't a thing. Seemed to pop them right after first red eyes phase ended.
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By Sylph.Takutu 2025-01-09 01:47:03  
The DAT files has 10 adds per BC. Unsure how many total can happen on each difficulty. It seems like an annoying fight.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-01-09 01:51:34  
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The DAT files has 10 adds per BC. Unsure how many total can happen on each difficulty. It seems like an annoying fight.

Looks like they swapped out the dark orbs from Mission fight with actual adds?

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Dark spheres will appear around the field as the Cloud's HP decreases with a max of 10 appearing over time.
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