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By Penpenn 2024-06-10 10:12:45  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
This isn't square, but this recent example explains why


Isn't 40% of 1,000 = 400, and not 40?

The graphic suggest a 4% bonus. 1,000 * 0.04 = 1,040.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-06-10 10:18:38  
lots of weird math in that graphic honestly, 1200 * 1.2 isn't 1400 either
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By Taint 2024-06-10 10:51:58  
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lots of weird math in that graphic honestly, 1200 * 1.2 isn't 1400 either


SE math. (1000 x 1.2) + (1000 x 1.2)
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2024-06-10 11:04:25  
Taint said: »
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
lots of weird math in that graphic honestly, 1200 * 1.2 isn't 1400 either


SE math. (1000 x 1.2) + (1000 x 1.2)

Oh, I get what they did, but the way that they displayed it it should have been 1440
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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2024-06-10 11:13:39  
Anyone else immediately crashing when attempting to update?

I've tried through both windower and pol.exe, both crash the client as soon as I hit the update button...

Update: Apparently I didn't reboot hard enough last night, rebooted again and it worked fine.... >.>

I hate this game.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-06-10 11:30:32  
Taint said: »
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
lots of weird math in that graphic honestly, 1200 * 1.2 isn't 1400 either


SE math. (1000 x 1.2) + (1000 x 1.2)
but
thats not from SE
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By Fenrir.Ahlen 2024-06-10 13:22:34  
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
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50% increase to segments earned across the board

I thought we concluded it was only a 50% increase to the vortex bonus, which would be a 10% increase across the board? Did something change?

It is at the vortex, however how they decide to apply the math makes a difference. We'll finally have the answer tomorrow.

X*1.25*1.5
X*(1.25+.125)
X*1.5

Call it 10,000 easy round number:
A) 18750
B) 13750
C) 15000
(Normal would be 12500)
Are all equally valid and equally likely.

Incase it's not clear, 10k is the run and the 8750/3750/5000 are the bonus, not 10k+10k+bonus

This is what I thought and have been telling people before. My thoughts are Case A is most likely then C then B.

Actually I thought it would be likely to have 10000 + (25% + 50% for 75%) So 17500.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-06-10 13:26:51  
The exact wording is:
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The following changes will be made to the rewards for reaching the Otherworldly Vortex in Sheol A, Sheol B, and Sheol C.
- Job points earned will be increased by 50%.
- Moogle Segments acquired will be increased by 50%.
- The number of lustreless scale boxes, lustreless hide boxes, and lustreless wing boxes acquired will be doubled.

It says nothing about changing the rewards on the way. It only mentions the rewards from the vortex.

Value vortex gives: 10,000 segments * 0.25 = 2500 segments
50% of 2500 segments: 1250 segments
Value vortex gives with a 50% increase: 3750 segments.
Total gain on run: 13750/12500 = 10%

There's no way to read this as written that implies it would be anything else. They use the exact same word (acquired) in regards to the lustreless boxes. It is a multi-line bulleted(dashed) list, implying all of these fall under the initial statement regarding the vortex. It is not ambiguous unless you assume it is translated wrong.
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By Fenrir.Ahlen 2024-06-10 13:31:32  
More like T
Shiva.Thorny said: »
The exact wording is:
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The following changes will be made to the rewards for reaching the Otherworldly Vortex in Sheol A, Sheol B, and Sheol C.
- Job points earned will be increased by 50%.
- Moogle Segments acquired will be increased by 50%.
- The number of lustreless scale boxes, lustreless hide boxes, and lustreless wing boxes acquired will be doubled.

It says nothing about changing the rewards on the way. It only mentions the rewards from the vortex.

Value vortex gives: 10,000 segments * 0.25 = 2500 segments
50% of 2500 segments: 1250 segments
Value vortex gives with a 50% increase: 3750 segments.
Total gain on run: 13750/12500 = 10%

There's no way to read this as written that implies it would be anything else. They use the exact same word (acquired) in regards to the lustreless boxes. It is a multi-line bulleted(dashed) list, implying all of these fall under the initial statement regarding the vortex. It is not ambiguous unless you assume it is translated wrong.

Vortex bonus increased. So it goes from 25% bonus to 75% bonus

So a 10k run goes from 12500 to 17500.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-06-10 13:32:40  
For that to fit the wording, you have to assume that 'acquired' in the context of segments refers to the entire run, while 'acquired' in the context of boxes only applies to the reward from the vortex.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-06-10 13:32:40  
Ah that's where you got 10% from. You're an Option B'r

(Of their 3 probable options)

The worst option so of course that's fair.

There's a fair chance it is B, but if it is B you all should definitely complain.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-06-10 13:39:33  
Osti tabarnak
Its written as whatever you gain from the vortex is increased by 50%. Its the same ***on the JP side.

Its not complicated
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2024-06-10 14:37:42  
"We apologize for any confusion. The % symbol was left in by accident. The reward is actually 50 segments. Enjoy your bonus moogle chunks."
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-06-10 17:24:42  
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Anyone else immediately crashing when attempting to update?

I've tried through both windower and pol.exe, both crash the client as soon as I hit the update button...

Update: Apparently I didn't reboot hard enough last night, rebooted again and it worked fine.... >.>

I hate this game.

Gotta reboot harder.

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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2024-06-10 17:29:50  
I used to watch the ***out of this show back in the day. Only recently found out it was a Canadian-created show.
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-06-10 17:34:07  
Needs more Robots

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By Asura.Saevel 2024-06-10 17:39:42  
And it looks like they broke XiView again, 51.dat got changed and using the XiView version crash's the game.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-06-10 17:41:03  
So I didnt even notice, are they gonna *** leave the vanabout category there just, forgoddamnever or what

I hated clicking it by mistake trying to enter objectives, but I guess I'd hate it even more if they kept switching back and forth.
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By Asura.Vyre 2024-06-10 17:46:11  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Anyone else immediately crashing when attempting to update?

I've tried through both windower and pol.exe, both crash the client as soon as I hit the update button...

Update: Apparently I didn't reboot hard enough last night, rebooted again and it worked fine.... >.>

I hate this game.

Gotta reboot harder.

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Needs more Shadow Raiders (War Planets).

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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2024-06-10 18:04:19  
Asura.Vyre said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Anyone else immediately crashing when attempting to update?

I've tried through both windower and pol.exe, both crash the client as soon as I hit the update button...

Update: Apparently I didn't reboot hard enough last night, rebooted again and it worked fine.... >.>

I hate this game.

Gotta reboot harder.

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Needs more Shadow Raiders (War Planets).

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Needs more beast-robots.

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By Asura.Vyre 2024-06-10 18:18:32  
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Asura.Vyre said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Clintbeastwood said: »
Anyone else immediately crashing when attempting to update?

I've tried through both windower and pol.exe, both crash the client as soon as I hit the update button...

Update: Apparently I didn't reboot hard enough last night, rebooted again and it worked fine.... >.>

I hate this game.

Gotta reboot harder.

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Needs more Shadow Raiders (War Planets).

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Needs more beast-robots.

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Remember that time Waspinator got taken over by Starscream's Spark? Good times.

That was a manly show. Depth Charge sacrificing himself to destroy Weapon X (Crab... Rampage?)
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-06-10 18:23:23  
Ah the 90's, before social media ruined everything.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-06-10 18:39:51  
Damn! ReBoot. I forgot it existed. Thanks for that.
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By RadialArcana 2024-06-11 04:20:21  
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Ah the 90's, before social media ruined everything.

Social media ruined literally everything, the world was better before Zuckerborg got a fly in his ***.

Everyone is far too aware of nonsense these days.
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By Pantafernando 2024-06-11 04:55:03  
For a moment, I forgot this was the june update thread
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-06-11 05:52:05  
Didn't see anyone commenting on it, so went in and killed one nostos then checked the portal in C. 29 segments for the nostos, 10 for the portal.

29 * 0.25 = 7.25
50% of 7.25 = 3.625
7.25 + 3.625 = 10.875

So again, it's 10% on the run.
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By jubes 2024-06-11 05:59:59  
thanks obama fujito
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-06-11 06:13:46  
Time to bust out pitchforks, I'd be bitchin

That was B by the way so we're both right
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-06-11 07:17:09  
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That was B by the way so we're both right

I'm right in the sense that I said exactly what it would be and there was no question, and it was that thing.

You're right in the sense that someone who bets on both teams still 'won' a bet.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-06-11 07:19:53  
Only accepting of the fact that no matter what was written, it was possible to not do what they intended

And only because 10% is insulting even by their standards, only the one percent would even notice 10% extra. A midcore group getting 6-8k gets an extra 10 kills worth of segments.
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