If Horizon Had A $1 Monthly Fee

This does not matter, what matters is the law breaker's location. If you break copyright law in country A but the company sold the product in country A and B, country B law does not affect you.



Here you go:

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/what-are-derivative-works-under-copyright-law


Saev argued that horizon isn't FFXI(derivative work), therefore legal. Except he completely forgot that copyright law protects original work first. If this derivative work is hurting the profit of SE, or they create derivative work without SE's permission, it is illegal.

14 pages...
it's intellectual property.
end of story and this 1$ thought.
extreme law suit if any private server tried to charge.

copy and paste any game to steam or where ever.
try to call it your own or charge for it.
say hello to a lawyer fast.

If I had $1 for every dumb ffxiah thread that ran way longer than it ever should have.

you need to stop. no one cares if you want a thread locked or not. not everything has to be about you. simply don't click the thread.

people thinking it would be a monumental amount of work for SE to do are the same people thinking ps2 limitations is more than just a cop out, meanwhile people create plugins without any of the source code to do SEs work for them. cringe

blizzard is a far better company than SE, in every single facet that you can measure them by.

the only thing SE is good at is taking good IP and fumbling it into the ground over and over while just barely being kept alive by simps hoping for more skimpy mithra outfits.

also nice work afania, you posted copyright laws in EU and the US, neither of which is where SE is headquartered. you continue to amaze

All of you forget that this is in the EULA and that is yet another avenue they could sue your *** into dust with. I honestly don't care, I think your server is stupid and people yearning for the 75 era should be institutionalized for their own protection, but so long as you stop pretending your illegal activities are legal, I will have zero need to even bother posting.

aren't you the guy that got banned from BG for saying you were going to bomb the president or something?

you know that's illegal right?

The only cringe here is you having a 1st grade level understanding of software development. Reading memory locations and packet sniffing is not even remotely close to rebuilding an entire MMO from near scratch to satisfy about 100 neckbearded asshats who want something that would never even remotely be profitable.

Literally said I don't care if you do illegal things, just don't pretend they're legal. Learn to read.

wake up horizon sheeple. the person committing treasonous seditious federal crimes is telling you not to break a EULA

that's rich considering most of the people still playing ffxi want a *** expansion lmao

Good, at least you've admitted that you don't know ***about game development. Maybe you are capable of learning after all.

I don't need to stop anything, thanks. If you don't like my comments, block me and move on.

Well it is true that people could be having a discussion and one perdón always comes in and is like "why isnt this thread closed! Plz stop". Not saying you always do that but its like, why click the thread if it bothers you. Its like they get enjoyment out of trying to get interesting threads closed or something.

Like the one kid reminding the teacher there was homework

Where did I say this should be closed? I called it dumb, but I didn't say it should be closed.

If you want to respond to a post, at least read the content.



Edit: since you like to demand people post sources for those common knowledge, here you go:

https://www.bradley.com/insights/publications/2012/03/international-copyright-protection-how-does-it-w__

https://www.berneunion.org/Members


tl;dr: The location of SE HQ doesn't matter, their work is being protected by the same copyright law. What matters is the law breaker's location, since lawsuit must be brought in the courts of the their country.

A "derivative work" could use all the same logic for dealing damage, spawns, drops, etc. but would need to change race names, all zone names, all maps, all NPC names, all mission and quest dialogues, all textures (not just upscaled but this is kinda questionable I will admit), and really most models.

I believe you, but then how did Nintendo go after the guys who made those Executor Switch modchips?

Had to google about this case because I don't know anything about it. Is this what you are talking about?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/pr/two-members-notorious-videogame-piracy-group-team-xecuter-custody

The bradley article posted above explained nuances of enforcing these laws, which included possible answer to your question.


From what I've understood from the article, those devices are hardwares, if they are physically imported into the US then the US law can be used. Then Nintendo of the US can sue them as an US company(HQ location doesn't matter) for importing infringed copies.

hoerizon

i'm guessing he's going to give up because ffxi retail posters on this forum are probably the densest individuals that have ever existed but.. the main argument is that LSB is a derivative work, everything you listed there is held client side and the horizon team doesn't develop any of that at all.

the end user could comb through the .dat's and change all that and still play horizon just fine with LSB.

i think there has been like 2? maybe? posters in here that actually play horizon and 50 retail apes arguing against it. from someone with no vested interest in horizon it is absolutely hilarious to see you all go ape ***whenever this server comes up. please continue to provide endless entertainment by being overwhelmingly jealous of what this server has accomplished.

Retail is trash but Horizon is like super sayin 3 trash.


Hey, at least it's got retail beat in that department.

I don't think anyone is jealous of what Horizon has accomplished, they're just upset that Horizon is being talked about while retail is largely forgotten by anyone who isn't already an FFXI-diehard.

Sure, but the LSB is also completely worthless unless you have the retail client. This is like saying you developed an extremely specific lens which allows you to view "The Lion King" if you provide your own copy of the movie, and by the way here's a link where you can download a copy of it. Oh sure, you can also use it to view your own movie, if you make one from scratch and it also follows the exact same format as The Lion King.


Yeah users can just change all the text, every 3d model, all the quests, textures, UI, and remove every piece of IP in the entire game.


Who is jealous and of what?

So...this is what it looks like when someone is raised their entire life being told they're special and their opinions matter.

No one here cares about Horizon. The reason we go psycho on private servers when 2 ppl from one show up? None of us want that *** around our real game we're paying for. There is zero jealousy, its just the established nice neighbors seeing white trash move in next door....we don't want your car on blocks with no front windshield in the front yard. It lowers our property value.

So please, take your inbred kids, beat up cars, and shitty bourbon still and

This is specifically NOT what Saevel argued....=.= he said the exact opposite....




From what Ive read his main argument has always been "Horizon is not ffxi" and "LSB is original work". I am not sure how it is being rephrased into something opposite....

Too much mental gymnastics made people lose track of arguments I guess? ヽ(ヅ)ノ

Can't really play that card when the topics on this subforum were made by non-Horizon players to complain about Horizon lol


It's profoundly ironic that you start spouting boomerisms when people start talking about something that is newly popular instead of the decaying corpse of retail.