Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion

Not surprising since SAM gets to 2k+ fast and easy. GS/GA/Scythe should be best in short battles while warcry is active.

Sam's weakness is that it is squishy compared to the heavy armor jobs. Lack of Sakpata really hurts it.

Emp+3 really helped in that regard. SAM is in a really good place right now. Its biggest weakness is lack of attack when /drg.

Mumei just adds to SAMs arsenal, I would love the GKT someday.

Yeah, while kasuga +3 isn't gonna completely match sakpata defensively, I'd argue that pieces like the body and legs absolutely slap sakpata offensively while being close enough in meva so I'll totally take the trade.

DRK may need less babysitting thanks to drain 3 and origin but I can't really say my SAM has routinely been in danger of eating ***more often than other people in my party.

SAM is in a good place for magic compared to wearing Tatenashi. It's physical defense has plenty of options and a solid counter set.

And if you're using Circles or Killer effects correctly, then Mpaca cuts both ways again the mob and none towards you while still keeping good TA.

I fail to see how war and drk are going to be best in short battles. Assuming warcry is active, sam and drg will gain to faster. All are capable of frequent capped dmg weapon skills now. It boils down to who gets tp fastest and drg and sam will win that race more times then not.

Don't underestimate greatsword tp gain, especially with store tp on the greatsword.
Warcry
Ms vs Sam 1h duration
Yadgumi has to build up and does not last as long as Ms, Ms can also be lengthened
+Brazen rush

Someone help me out with drk explanation but the second 1h draining tp, soul eater if someone uses multi hit hell probably single hit gets a large enough buff from it

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Its not like Primes = 99999 on everything. Bgwiki.com for job differences.




Its a TP drain, so the mob must be getting TP. Seems to cap around 700 per swing from experience. Its very potent during its 30 seconds for TP gain and slowing the mob down.

What sets are people using for Foenaria? At the moment I’m using my torcleaver set with an Int Wsd cape.

For short super boss fights, WAR beats everything hands down due to Warcry's TP Bonus and Mighty Strikes complete silliness. DRK pairs well on those fights because Soul Enslavement's drain slows down the number of TP moves the boss gets off while also letting the DRK WS every one to two swings.

I find it amusing that every analysis of SAM's potential always included "with warcry and /DRG"- so they just assume that a mainjob WAR is there only to make their numbers better, and attribute none of that increase to the WAR.

I always say a DD that wins a parse should speak like someone winning an Oscar- freaking thanking every crew member, writer, producer, director, other actors, their life coach, and dietician. In the same vein, a DD should be thanking that BRD, the COR who prioritized keeping rolls up more than their own Savage all the thinnngz, the GEO who didn't just indi-AFK, that WAR who wanted Bloodrage 1st but know Warcry helped everyone not just them, the tank who knew their job well enough to keep those DDs in damage sets vs safety sets...all of it.

I hear that a lot out of DRK and MNK mains....not so much outta them SAMs.....

Its 2023. The COR,BRD,GEO and WHM are all Alts. The tank is the WAR while also providing Warcry for the only other human in the group.

Surely Vegeta is the War no?

Where's the rdm
Needs more dia 3 lightshot and haste 2

all the testing needed for sword

Horn is best.

Scythe gets HP/M drain.

It gets complex after that so people just pick their favorite job.

Warcry, jumps, zanhasso, TP bonus weapons all make a huge difference due to TP scaling.

1) Horn
2) Scythe
3) losta stuff
4) more stuff
5) yet more stuff
6) Sword


xD

Derp! erm... I mean, Earp!

The best weapon is the one for the job you play the most and best geared.

Exactly Primes are weapons to enhance your favorite job to make it even better. They are not required to beat something, unless it's some self limited challenge and access to some skillchain might be a deciding factor.

Of the ones we've used, the Horn is awesome in situations where you can go nuts with defense down. Afterwards we've seen the Great Sword, Scythe and Bow be great. Sarv is stupid good, like hilariously almost OP level good. A STR + AGI Archery WS is just really powerful.

As indicated above, it's subjective (aside from the Horn. I agree that it is the best).

Highest dmg per ws = 2 handed > one handed
Highest dps= jobs that gain tp fastest 2 handed > one handed.
Most Utility = Scythe > all.

My experience (ones I've seen in action) is limited to Pokearm ( personally have), scythe, dagger, GK and gun. Guy who has the gun is on cor and not super happy with it but that's to be expected cough scavenge cough.

These are stage 4 only. Not sure if any changes happen at stage 5.

In short, all of then, even one handed weapons are close to if not the most damaging weapons in thier class and are worth making IMHO.

Surprising no one, brd gets another super powerful instrument that will be "demanded" in groups.

Beyond that, from what I've seen the scythe is great, WS seems a bit weaker than the other two handed WS, though obviously has more utility.

The other two handers are pretty close it seems. On Sam masa doesn't get much use anymore with GK stage4.

Bow is great. Gun is.. useful? Idk what rng would choose gun over bow or what cor actually wants to use gun to its fullest given all the other options cor has.

Generally all the weapons give best physical WS options and good aftermaths.

Staff aftermath makes Sch into a top tier nuker using just tier 3 spells. I'd assume it boosts smn magical blood pacts similarly also.

If I mained Pup I'd definitely go for the h2h weapon just for the pet lvl increase. Ditto for bst with axe and smn with staff.

I main WAR and made Prime GA(currently stage 4), its good, but I still use all my others situationally and actually more often than my Prime for the most part. What it really did for me is provide a very strong Darkness GA option without having to resort to the less favorable Polearm and or Scythe. Conqueror is just a JA swap for me at this point, Chango is still solo sc king in my opinion. Ukon AM is beastly and I use mostly in segment farms. Relic is just collecting dust in wardrobe. Probably would have got more use out of Prime GS in theory because I use Resolution a lot in Sortie, but I chose GA for the above and because I wanted the complete collection lol. It's more about the collection at this point in the game for me anyhow. Its another tool in the toolbox basically.

I think you have seen some underbuffed DRK with it or non Warcry Savagery buffed DRK vs Warcry Savagery buffed other 2h Primes.
Origin hits like a truck.

Do we have much info on Sarv's mods? The wiki hasn't been updated at all.