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Also bear in mind I am very explicitly talking about pug life here. These epic to the second plans or starting with H boss aren't really relevant options. My plan at the moment is to get to consistently 20mins left after ACGE as explained, saving 2h for F or H because they are both harder than G. So far finding SAM not so good as 2 WAR.

If you have 2 WAR and one is using Upheaval, what sc are made with Fimbulvtr or Disaster? I have WAR and will make gaxe or gsword.

Of course if you are hitting 95k consistently it wouldn't matter. SERIOUSLY doubt he is hitting that constantly on RDM though... must be triple attack etc.

Also Aria will give more PDL when his brd upgrades it?

Diaster > Diaster > Diaster is Distortion + Darkness, Great Sword equivalent is Gravitation + Darkness

Alternating between the 2 WAR -
You can Diaster > Upheaval infinitely for Compression > Transfixion, if you open with Upheaval you get one Gravitation.

Using Great Sword, Fimbulvtr > Upheaval > Fimbulvtr you can get Gravitation + Darkness or Upheaval > Fimb > Upheaval > Fimb for Detonation > Gravitation > Darkness

Obviously there's a lot more SC potential in general, but this assumes you strictly want to have one WAR using only Upheaval and the other using only Prime WS. Darkness creates a lot of problems on A/E unfortunately.

So what could you use to avoid making any ele sc on D/H if 2x WAR?
I see you can do UH+Impulse Drive to avoid problems on A/E apparently.

FWIW we more-or-less completely ignore skillchains on D/H, regardless of which jobs we're on. Sometimes we heal him, sometimes we don't. At the end of the day, he dies. Maybe you need to have really strong DPS to pull this off and it wouldn't work with a PUG, but TBH if you're doing a PUG I would never fight Aita.

I'd say do: CG (1hr) -> DABE (SV/CC) F (other 1hrs) and that's your best case scenario.

True PUG. C > G (SV,CC) > A > B > E 3 Flans at start > Boss > Naak > all flans if thingy in room, otherwise skip. F Chest, Naak for Galli, Boss if you feel like wiping.

Fudo and Ukko's/Upheaval. Impulse drive savage blade/upheaval on F. Use Masa. Shoha is for making SCs not for dmg. Masa out does doji even when solo SC-ing for me.

WAR WAR could do UH+KJ or Impulse Drive + UH all the same then? SAM doesn't seem to add that much IMO.

Did ACGE with 25mins left today, F sucked. I am confident adding F or H is going to be possible in pug when I work out which is easier. Thinking H but no experience yet.

I mean.. use what you like XD

Comparing Sam with doji doing only Shoha with other dds is never going to compare well. If that's what you're doing maybe it's not Sam that's the issue but how it's played. Just saying.

Who said I was using Doji Shoha? I have R15 Masa and Doji and use Masa Shoha on EG. Do you use Fudo on EGF with Masa? I thought there were issues with sc with it.

Have said this before, Fudo <-> Ukko's makes light. Fudo <-> Upheaval makes fusion. Both are fine on E/G. Cannot use savage blade and Fudo on E as that makes distortion. Impulse drive for F. Can also use impulse on E if there is a 3rd dd using savage.

Skillchain Calculator

In a similar vein, the downloadable tool at FFXI Calculator was recently updated to include Prime WS.

That's what I'm referring to and making the WAR use a weaker WS to help the SAM doesn't sound great to me. Is this really going to beat WAR WAR UH and Judgement?

Your choices are:

* War uses Great axe
* Sam uses polearm
* Don't use sam on the basis of using fudo and savage on one boss makes distortion and that's bad

Are your COR & BRD typically not meleeing? For our setups, WARs never use SB because they would wall the COR and BRD. For A we do:
RDM: Black Halo
COR: Savage Blade
BRD: Savage Blade
SAM: Was using Shoha (***damage), will prolly try Impulse
DRK: Origin
WAR: Upheaval

We either have a SAM or DRK, never both at the same time.

So with Origin there is nothing to worry about with Savage Blade, Upheaval, and Black Halo? Maybe I will do Scythe then.

Again, highly recommend using a skillchain calculator when organizing a group where skillchains matter.

Origin -> Savage = Light
Origin -> BH = Compression
Origin -> Upheaval = Compression
Savage -> Origin = Light
BH -> Origin = Light
Upheaval -> Origin = nothing

These are all fine for E boss, but Compression could be a problem for G. I believe our DRK still uses it on G, maybe we're just WSing fast enough that it doesn't matter.

These will also be fine for F, but our WS are all different for F (he uses Cross Reaper and we make lots of Darkness). For H, you will make Light which can sometimes heal him, depending which TP move he most recently used. As I said earlier, we generally ignore SCs on H so it doesn't really matter.

I'd highly suggest picking a set of jobs and setting up WS which don't cause problematic SCs for each of the 4 basement bosses, up to your standards. For us, we avoid anything water-based for E, anything wind or thunder-based for F, anything dark-based for G, and ignore SCs for H. Check each WS against every other WS, in both directions, to make sure you're clear. Then tell your group which weapons/WS to use for each boss.

For what it's worth, ML50 Sam in standard TP gear (dedition, no telos, +1 earring) has 156x accuracy with maxed blade madrigal no SV no marcato. Honor is another 58.

That's not enough to cap accuracy on bosses. With accuracy food maybe, but cutting it close.

Marcato should usually be on Honor March and Omelet Sandwiches are solid food choice for "serious" fights. Between those two you should be above the accuracy requirements.

We did Aminon today and had something happen that we had not seen before. (granted we have only done him 6-7 times)

upon pull he did incessent void, we spammed stone and then he did Demonfire, so we started spamming water to get him to do Bane. We spammed probably 7-8 waters and he TPd but it wasnt Bane, he switched to Ensepulcher then quickly after switched to Frozen Blood (all the while throwing up fetters EVERYWHERE) and THEN he did Bane of Tartarus.

Has anyone else seen this where he TPs a different element before Bane of Tartarus?

I've been saying I've done that, and I find 2 WAR using Upheaval and Judgement are the best I have seen so far... I want SAM to be as good because my 2nd char is main SAM, but I really don't see how it does anything but force the WAR or SAM to use a weaker WS. Without MS Judgment is as strong as Shoha, with MS it is far better.

You have War using Upheaval already, how is Sam changing that to a "weaker" ws. And shoha dmg sucks, don't use it if with other dds. It's been said already.

Here you go, setup for RDM BRD COR WAR SAM WHM (listed in job order):

E: BH, Savage, Savage, Upheaval, Impulse
F: BH, Rudra, Evis, Impulse, Fudo (Mumei)
G: BH, Savage, Savage, Upheaval, Fudo
H: BH, Savage, Savage, Upheaval, Fudo (Mumei)

Might be some heals on H but I think it's pretty much unavoidable unless you use crap WS to avoid any SC at all. We've found it's better to have the occasional heal and slam stronger WS.

You should use Shoha as rarely as possible because it's a crap WS with terrible damage. If you're using Fudo and/or Mumei, you should be doing very good damage. Our SAM is routinely at the top of the parse, by a fair margin. WAR can sometimes compete, the rest are around half their damage.

Seems like +1 case drops have increased since yesterday?

Got 2 +1 boxes yesterday and 3 today. Ninja updated?

Sometimes it takes a couple of weeks before we see a +1.

I have a strange feeling there is some hidden randomizer when you enter Sortie, where you can get increased chance for +1 case in that one run. I sometimes get none for weeks, then I had a run where I got 3 from 3bosses and maybe 5 chests.

we got 4 +1s today, shrug, 8 boss run, +all upstairs minis/aurum + some various other chests.

Our best was 5 +1s, but usually we get (1) +1 every couple runs.

edit: The one char that was a mule got this. of course rng not lvl'd

We got a +1 in over 20 runs in a row. (most was 3 in one run) We also just went on a week long 0 +1 streak. Its all RNG. TH the bosses and pop as many basement chest as possible.

The crazy part of this system is the core of our group hasn't seen a +2 since late April. When we picked up a returning BRD he went 2/2 for +2 and another pick up player got a +2 but that's it.

Million dollar idea: a system where drops go into a pool where members that have the job, or interest, roll dice to get it.