August 2022 Version Update
August 2022 Version Update
The content isn't even here yet and this guy is shitting in his hand in anticipation. At least wait til you get the +3 toilet paper to wipe man, damn.
Lili said: »
For you and me, sure. A "simple" v0 Odyssey clear requires you to either be capped pre-Ody to clear with trusts (like I was when I returned), but then you will still need to get enough segments which can take a fair bit solo, or people willing to carry/merc you. SE doesn't design game content around mercing (in fact, they seem to try to discourage it), and there's a lot of casual players who don't use gearswap, are not mastered, have unglowed remas (if at all), play a few hours per week, and without merc/carry for them Odyssey is completely inaccessible.
All of that other stuff you mentioned is soloable easily, now more than ever, maybe not quickly, but you don't need help from anybody to complete it, just patience - you can do it playing a few hours per week with your friend/sibling/significant other that dragged you into the game he used to play a dozen years ago, and neither of you even has a linkshell equipped. The game has been for a very long time going into the direction of "you need a group to do the endgame event, but you can solo/lowman everything else with some patience", and they said it explicitly: we want +2 to be easy to get solo, but +3 to require a team effort. And the reward is very evidently commensurate to that.
All of that other stuff you mentioned is soloable easily, now more than ever, maybe not quickly, but you don't need help from anybody to complete it, just patience - you can do it playing a few hours per week with your friend/sibling/significant other that dragged you into the game he used to play a dozen years ago, and neither of you even has a linkshell equipped. The game has been for a very long time going into the direction of "you need a group to do the endgame event, but you can solo/lowman everything else with some patience", and they said it explicitly: we want +2 to be easy to get solo, but +3 to require a team effort. And the reward is very evidently commensurate to that.
I know that if I were a new player or an old returnee, I would not look at BGwiki and the progression toward Empy+2 and be like "wow, this sure seems fun and soloable" even if it's possible. On the surface it looks extremely daunting and overwhelming. If you're starting at near zero resources you have to jump through tons of hoops and do some serious grinding to get to the point where you have one piece—let alone a full set—of Empy+1 to even start reforging via Sortie. There aren't even any deeds of heroism KIs to skip the Empy+1 step.
Not to mention this is an MMO. It's not unreasonable to expect people to find friends or a linkshell they could simply ask for help with a quick 15 minute Gaol fight to jumpstart their endgame gear progression. Everyone gets 3 free Moglophones II when unlocking the content, so as long as the helper doesn't mess up you can get powerful gear for one set of jobs to help you farm all the other things you are missing. I know the Gaol system is far from ideal, but to act like it's a huge ask when there are such significant rewards for relatively little effort is just ridiculous. It's not the only catch-up system in place, so it isn't even all-or-nothing.
Nobody batted an eye during 75 cap days when people had to ask others for help with NMs or basic quests. These days it's apparently unfathomable to have to socialize when Trusts don't cut it.
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
If anybody is excited for Sortie release, just look back at recent history for reminders. Last few major content releases:
Dynamis-D - got like 2-4 fixes within a few months, just recently adjusted wave 1 clear conditions
Odyssey - Moogle Mastery bugged for months apparently; monsters with unusual detection methods. Segments largely ignored early on because it served no purpose at the time
Gaol - delayed several months due to bugs, insufferable amount of latency at launch which caused a lot of wasted points. Several glitches (camera lock, losing a phone if two people enter at same time). Doing 3 bosses literally made absolutely no sense at launch. Amplifiers, so you can lose and win.
Sortie - delayed due to bugs
SE has done a fabulous job with events. Get excited!
Dynamis-D - got like 2-4 fixes within a few months, just recently adjusted wave 1 clear conditions
Odyssey - Moogle Mastery bugged for months apparently; monsters with unusual detection methods. Segments largely ignored early on because it served no purpose at the time
Gaol - delayed several months due to bugs, insufferable amount of latency at launch which caused a lot of wasted points. Several glitches (camera lock, losing a phone if two people enter at same time). Doing 3 bosses literally made absolutely no sense at launch. Amplifiers, so you can lose and win.
Sortie - delayed due to bugs
SE has done a fabulous job with events. Get excited!
Being the devil's advocate here, and looking now, after studying some disciplines in university, it is not like they are doing wrong or bad in their job.
They are simply using documented software engineering techniques to their development:
- Releasing a product that supposely isnt complete isnt more than lean software development: they develop small release with each release being a viable product (Minimum Viable Product - MVP), even though not a complete product. Subsequent iterations will add more functionality till the product is said "complete".
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product/
- Releasing a product full of bugs: that is basically applying beta testing, using the users as the testers.
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/beta-test/
One can argue, though, that they arent being transparent, and they really dont care with users complains, as while those used techniques are teoretically correct, in a competitive market you wouldnt resort them like they do. But FFXI playerbase shouldnt be exactly a typical consumer: they can just take the offense and keep playing.
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no matter what the topic is, bosworth is here to whiteknight SE.
it's actually wild
it's actually wild
There's always going to be battered spouses.
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GetHelpNerd said: »
no matter what the topic is, bosworth is here to whiteknight SE.
it's actually wild
it's actually wild
Aerix said: »
Nobody batted an eye during 75 cap days when people had to ask others for help with NMs or basic quests. These days it's apparently unfathomable to have to socialize when Trusts don't cut it.
Nah, now there's just a price tag attached.. or you hopefully grabbed a social and asked them
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Asura.Jyubeii said: »
who wants to take bets on whether sortie is ready before september 1 or not
It won't be until after free campaign is over, but I would guess next version update at the earliest.
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Asura.Jyubeii said: »
who wants to take bets on whether sortie is ready before september 1 or not
I expect it to be before the end of August, possibly sometime this week.
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*** se all their content is top tier trash
So... sortie... when?
So... sortie... when?
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GetHelpNerd said: »
no matter what the topic is, bosworth is here to whiteknight SE.
it's actually wild
it's actually wild
As long as you and Draylo are here endlessly whining about stupid ***, I'll be here to "whiteknight SE".
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Asura.Jyubeii said: »
who wants to take bets on whether sortie is ready before september 1 or not
It won't be until after free campaign is over, but I would guess next version update at the earliest.
This works for me…. Free log in brings all the damn trolls in and clutters up zones etc.
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Pantafernando said: »
They are simply using documented software engineering techniques to their development:
- Releasing a product that supposely isnt complete isnt more than lean software development: they develop small release with each release being a viable product (Minimum Viable Product - MVP), even though not a complete product. Subsequent iterations will add more functionality till the product is said "complete".
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product/
For content to be MVP, it has to be viable. It also has to exist. *gestures at Sortie*
There is a difference between a MVP and half-finished software. The MVP serves as the solid foundation upon which future features are added; half-finished software is a mess of half-features that doesn't form a coherent unit of production.
At any rate, the "MVP model" only really works if you design your software such that features can be merged additively. If your development model is latitudinal instead of longitudinal, (that is, if your design involves highly entangled, embedded processes), you run the risk of making production code that 50% works across the board. That is an awful design strategy, especially for an MMO.
Also--- having users beta-test a service while still forcing them to pay for it, *while also not informing them that they are participating in unstable content*, is a good way to terminate player trust towards the dev team.
Pantafernando said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
If anybody is excited for Sortie release, just look back at recent history for reminders. Last few major content releases:
Dynamis-D - got like 2-4 fixes within a few months, just recently adjusted wave 1 clear conditions
Odyssey - Moogle Mastery bugged for months apparently; monsters with unusual detection methods. Segments largely ignored early on because it served no purpose at the time
Gaol - delayed several months due to bugs, insufferable amount of latency at launch which caused a lot of wasted points. Several glitches (camera lock, losing a phone if two people enter at same time). Doing 3 bosses literally made absolutely no sense at launch. Amplifiers, so you can lose and win.
Sortie - delayed due to bugs
SE has done a fabulous job with events. Get excited!
Dynamis-D - got like 2-4 fixes within a few months, just recently adjusted wave 1 clear conditions
Odyssey - Moogle Mastery bugged for months apparently; monsters with unusual detection methods. Segments largely ignored early on because it served no purpose at the time
Gaol - delayed several months due to bugs, insufferable amount of latency at launch which caused a lot of wasted points. Several glitches (camera lock, losing a phone if two people enter at same time). Doing 3 bosses literally made absolutely no sense at launch. Amplifiers, so you can lose and win.
Sortie - delayed due to bugs
SE has done a fabulous job with events. Get excited!
Being the devil's advocate here, and looking now, after studying some disciplines in university, it is not like they are doing wrong or bad in their job.
They are simply using documented software engineering techniques to their development:
- Releasing a product that supposely isnt complete isnt more than lean software development: they develop small release with each release being a viable product (Minimum Viable Product - MVP), even though not a complete product. Subsequent iterations will add more functionality till the product is said "complete".
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product/
- Releasing a product full of bugs: that is basically applying beta testing, using the users as the testers.
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/beta-test/
One can argue, though, that they arent being transparent, and they really dont care with users complains, as while those used techniques are teoretically correct, in a competitive market you wouldnt resort them like they do. But FFXI playerbase shouldnt be exactly a typical consumer: they can just take the offense and keep playing.
Bosworth said: »
As long as you and Draylo are here endlessly whining about stupid ***, I'll be here to "whiteknight SE".
That new cosmetic item, Morbol Apron, is 112k. Inflation has come for Vanadiel too
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Pantafernando said: »
Being the devil's advocate here, and looking now, after studying some disciplines in university, it is not like they are doing wrong or bad in their job.
They are simply using documented software engineering techniques to their development:
- Releasing a product that supposely isnt complete isnt more than lean software development: they develop small release with each release being a viable product (Minimum Viable Product - MVP), even though not a complete product. Subsequent iterations will add more functionality till the product is said "complete".
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product/
- Releasing a product full of bugs: that is basically applying beta testing, using the users as the testers.
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/beta-test/
One can argue, though, that they arent being transparent, and they really dont care with users complains, as while those used techniques are teoretically correct, in a competitive market you wouldnt resort them like they do. But FFXI playerbase shouldnt be exactly a typical consumer: they can just take the offense and keep playing.
They are simply using documented software engineering techniques to their development:
- Releasing a product that supposely isnt complete isnt more than lean software development: they develop small release with each release being a viable product (Minimum Viable Product - MVP), even though not a complete product. Subsequent iterations will add more functionality till the product is said "complete".
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/minimum-viable-product/
- Releasing a product full of bugs: that is basically applying beta testing, using the users as the testers.
https://www.productplan.com/glossary/beta-test/
One can argue, though, that they arent being transparent, and they really dont care with users complains, as while those used techniques are teoretically correct, in a competitive market you wouldnt resort them like they do. But FFXI playerbase shouldnt be exactly a typical consumer: they can just take the offense and keep playing.
No. Absolutely Not. Not even close.
Wish that DT on Bst +2 head was for pet :( My Anwig Salade is a teenager now
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Quetzalcoatl.Makunouchi said: »
My Anwig Salade is a teenager now
jesus christ this is scary please stop saying things that are true i dont want to be old yet
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Gonna throw it a Quinceañera in 2 years lmao!
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Quetzalcoatl.Makunouchi said: »
Quinceañera
well at least invite me to the bar mitzvah
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Draylo said: »
That new cosmetic item, Morbol Apron, is 112k. Inflation has come for Vanadiel too
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Masterpiece
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Fenrir.Jinxs said: »
Anyone know what they patched?
It looks like they updated the dialogue in port jeuno.
Yup, that's what they changed.
Quote:
Munition moogle supposed to speak english now
Yup, that's what they changed.
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