New Character Development System: Master Level.

Ahh, ya don't need to make fun of us that did it so recently, ha. Not everyone (myself included) is at a gear or skill level to do things like that when they first come out.

Note that I do not want master trials blocking master levels. That's just dumb and mean to want, ha

It could just be higher level enemy requirements to gain the points, like how you don't get Capacity Points for mobs under level 96.

It's amazing how people *** endlessly on here. We get mediocre updates for a string of months and they *** that there's little to no content. SE drops a new progression system of some kind, new missions, upgrades trust Paladins, and whatever else is occurring this month and they still ***.

Some of ya'll just a bunch of ***.

This is something you can do while you wait for the next batch of substantial content we're getting (hopefully by) next Summer.


Myself and my friends at the time were adequate for the challenge, but they had no interest in pursuing it and I had no interest in networking and trying to do it outside of my already dedicated time in the game. Shame.

I would have liked them to gate it behind a HTBF Maat fight you do solo, personally.

I feel like the fact we get so minimal updates, when SE gets around to giving us something big, we want it to be worthwhile. It's not like the old days when we got something substantial to mess around with almost every month, it's more like once a year now, if we're lucky.

I'm not going to complain about getting new content, that's great, but at least make it interesting. If it's just kill mob after mob, that sucks, we've already done that. We want to be challenged, and certainly don't want something that every Tom, *** and Harry will bot because "that's just how it is". Will judge it accordingly when it lands, but keeping expectations to a minimum.

It's funny because I recently made a topic about job progression going through Bahamut. I made the suggestion after playing FF1 and seeing how it handled job upgrades: Introduce FF1 Bahamut for job upgrades?

It needs one of those expectation vs reality memes.

"here's something you can work towards now that you're all master and you need something to do when not doing events"

"so you mean something to shift to primary focus and grind out as fast as possible"

The intention being a nice bonus for when you "have nothing to do" but the reality being "max out or be gimp DAY OF THE UPDATE"

Best made intentions perverted and mangled into a miserable pile of ***. This is why we can't have nice things etc

Its amusing how so many reference "we used to get big updates every month!", completely forgetting that for a good 2/3rd's of the game's life, we rarely got ANY update except once every 3 to 4 months. The "monthly" update wasn't a thing pre-Ambuscade which forced a server shutdown monthly to cycle in new enemies for that, and SE then decided to call it a true "update" vs just Ambuscade change...and our expectations rose.

Idk maybe it's a matter of server, but I don't see anything like Idris only, master only, R15 rema only shouts on Bahamut. So I don't understand all those assumptions that community will require Master Levels from anyone to join lol Ambuscade. Especially early after they are added and them being indeed just basic attributes.

Nah, but it has happened on Asura plenty of times, which is what I was making fun of.

This high demands in PUG shouts is from people who make parties and have the best gear themselves. They can shout for whatever they want to shout for, they can shout for TARU only parties if they want. Nothing stopping whoever is complaining or anyone else making a group with lower expectations.


We got so little content added to the game outside of paid expansions that when I went to play another MMORPG when I quit after aby I was infuriated they had monthly patches, cause I couldn't login for hours. I had not experienced this before on FFXI.

FFXI barely added anything outside of expansions and the patches they did add were stuff from the expansion, cause they sold them to us barebones. The reson it didn't matter in the past was becasue drop rates were .01% or HNM etc.

For the sake of the rest of us, do we really need to view habits on Asura as "the standard"? In all reality they should be viewed as the Worst Case Scenario for a FFXI server, not the standard to judge other servers by.

Even SimonSes's example of Bahamut it great- that's no tiny server like where I reside now (and am quite aware my game experience is in the minority), and even they aren't seeing that kind of ***.

Even on Asura you may see shouts for R15, Idris etc for an Ambu, but there are plenty of shouts not doing that.


Edit: a comma

El Oh El. If only that were actually true. At least half of the time the people behind the most inane shouts are shitters decked in full ambu gear and a merc'd aeonic, if you're lucky.

Why does almost every thread have to revolve around Asura?

same reason why news outlets focus on big cities and no one talks about the population 600 cities in rural areas

<3 lakshmi stay tiny forever

Maybe R15 or Idris, but I have never seen a shout for an R15 Idris, as even that would be impractical in almost every sense. But I'm sure you meant the former

Asura has people who want to do content but don’t care if you have the best gear, just that your gear is good enough for the content. It is normal for my playtime on Asura to see r15 dd, rema brd, rema cot, idris geo shouts. I have never witnessed a r15 idris geo shout, but I bet it happens especially on odyssey v15 nms that need nukes.

We barely see shouts for anything on Bahamut compared to Asura. PUG culture is basically non-existent on any other server so the judgment heaped on Asura shouts always struck me as weird. Peoe shout for R15s because they can get it and know that's the best way to ensure success.

I missed a comma, my point was that for all the yells looking for crazy stuff, there are plenty that are not.

R20 nyame shouts any day now

Asura is the crown jewel of FFXI

because they're consistently the prime example of how not to behave in this game.

Exping is the base of many MMO, but I would like it if they took a slightly different approach this time around. I like Simon's idea of a ToM style system, but I would really like it if they made, not just high level monsters, but high level beefed up versions of bosses from all over the game. 135+ Omega/Ultima, Incursion bosses, HNM Kings, SoA end bosses, etc, and recording it to a battle log, similar to the miraculous Dale quest. Same old exp/grind/farm/hunt/gather as ToM, but more creative that involves multiple tasks instead of something singular like "gather 75 items"

If XI were a younger game, there'd probably be a twitter account just to highlight dipshit Asura shouts.

There was, but they got lazy and stopped. Lasted longer than I thought it would but not by much. (Insert some cliche sentence about millennials having no ambition or something)

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/53426/yells-of-asura

https://twitter.com/yellsofasura

Everyone is complaining an all I'm hoping is apex in Bibki Bay so I can hear that battle music again.

First one you saw, there's lulworthy *** everyday in yell it's just harder to see with shouts broken.

Asura's issue mirrors the issues I find with these types of systems. 'Master' should be a title you achieve by proving that you're proficient at playing your job. On Asura, it's probably about 50/50 whether someone who is mastered knows how to play their job proficiently or knows how to AFK in Dho Gates proficiently. Funny because sad because true.


The only content that satisfies 'mastery' to me is solo challenge mode. Challenges catered specifically to each job that require understanding and execution. Everyone has the same gear, the same stats and the same limitations so you have better basis for measuring or comparing 'player skill'. I think people would be more open to pick up groups if you could tell that you weren't wasting your time on someone with more dollars than sense.

Job Master is just an arbitrary name; don't put too much stock into it. SE could have called it basically anything, and just picked master because it's cool.

Pretty sure they called it "Master", because as far as I can understand update announcement, you need "Mastered" job (2100JP) to be able to get Master Levels



On a lot of jobs being able to solo well, doesn't mean at all that you have high skills for group content.