Official BLM Epeen Vs SCH Epeen Thread!! Keep These Fights Clean!

Are you going to get any where near 350 stoneskin with no SJ, no stats and no gear though? Not that I'm arguing with you though, even diamondhide (which caps at 200) without phalanx lasts a life time on the first 1 or 2 floors.

Depends on the situation and luck, it was more of a generalization honestly. Can always also count the +7 from the weather effect if needed as well.

Even without the full 350 it's still nothing to pass over when paired with phalanx on the first few floors.

You won't get a capped Stoneskin, no. But it doesn't matter. With Phalanx you pretty much take 0 damage from everything on the first few floors anyway. Stoneskin is just a bonus..and helps with the DoTs and the odd nukes you get thrown at you.

@Nezea

Jet Seraweels...?



The rest of your gear is amazing though.

XD yeah. I know I should get Mahatma. The difference is so small I don't care all that much D: plus I think jets look cooler. That probably makes me HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but oh well. XD

Um, you sir fail in your logic, this screenshot is total crap. I gotta repeat from page 3 on this one cause this screenshot is wrong in everyway. I have 75 SCH and 75 BLM and Blm does nuke harder than Sch in everyway period, there is no contest, the only question is efficiency. Which is best on conservation. Sch loses it's ground some on Mp Conserve do to it being a weaker nuker. Not really conserving Mp if your nuking 3 times to match 2 from Blm. Anyhow, about this screenshot, I repeat the comments on it pages ago:

I also like how the Sch is wearing Hyorin Obi and the Blm is wearing Witch Sash. The Blm already lost 10-35% damage right there. Let alone casting Thunder4 with Aquilo's on, that made me lol. Lost another 15% right there. ^^

Let's math it up, we shall say ONLY day bonus from Obi for the Blm, 10% + the 15% from HQ staff.
1430 + 25% = 1788 Considerable more damage than a Sch heavily geared vs Blm heavily geared. or...

We can math it up vs the Sch and remove shall we say the 15% from staff and we'll say 10% from Obi bonus.
1543 - 25% = 1157 Considerably less than the Blm.

Both examples saying ONLY iceday is active on Obi bonus, we can prolly guess the Sch is using Hailstorm which is another +7 int (if fully merited) AND weather bonus which would subtract another 10% from the 1157 amount which would bring the Sch down to 1041. Plus Sch no doubt had ebullience up which is another 20% from the 1041 which bring the Sch nuke down to 833. IDK how you'd subtract the int +7 but the math says there is no need, Sch got served already.

Got to keep in mind the odds of the Novio actually being Novio are high considering the rest of the gear BUT it could be a Novia as well. :3

Oh yeah and I will probably get the Shantotto expansion pants when they come out anyway but we will see. The augments weren't announced :\ or at least I didnt' see them.

lolwut

So, yeah. The SCH is using Hyorin Obi. BLM can't hailstorm themselves. This is a totally legitimate argument. That's like saying the BLM is cheating because he is using a Sorcerer's Ring.

No, there is absolutely no way that earring is a Novia. It's completely ridiculous that you should even bring it up.

And I hate to say, but if your SCH is outdone by BLM by a lot of damage, then your SCH just has ***for equipment. It is that simple. Notice again I am both SCH75 and BLM75. The difference in damage is pretty nonexistent.

Moldtech i'm pretty sure people ignored you the first time because it's a screenshot... it can't obviously change picture for you because your mentally incapable of knowing someone with that gear swaps in the proper staff/obi during whatever nuke they do.

While i can openly admit that if i had the same gear i would be ashamed of those numbers, i myself would like more damage screens from this same person.

That being said unless we track down that same person there's not a lot we can do.

1) You can't say it's undisputed proof when plenty of people have weighed in on it being likely that the BLM was either casting in the wrong staff or had a resist.

2) A sample size of 1 nuke is pretty crappy evidence when you are trying to claim something like this.

Given the previous 2 points I conclude that you are just attempting to troll when you repost this screenshot. The alternative is that you are serious, which is just plain laughable.

Well, for one, it wasn't a resist because, let's be serious, that would mean that his nuke would have done 2860 unresisted.

Although it's possible he was using the wrong staff, that would mean you're doing something wrong.

Skill > Gear anyway.

If a sample size of 1 isn't evidence enough for you, then go test it yourself. You expect people to post like 500 SS of their nuke vs. someone else's? GTFO.

The rest of us have seen it happen in person enough times. If you want to verify it for yourself then go level SCH and make it happen.

This.

all that ^ and more

The blm is totally using a pixie earring.

Could be D: the blm has obviously been dumbed down for the nuke

Lol Novia earring, Emerald Earring, Star Necklace, uhh Onyx ring...Etc

Nah, he was JP and I can't even type Japanese on this computer.

And we were both solo, not in a party or anything.

Hi, I'd like to introduce you to the scientific method. See what you just did there is called:


I'm not the one claiming undisputed champion of nuking lolpuddings, Enternius is. The burden of proof is on him.

For the sake of argument and partly cause I haven't done the math on this myself yet and it might be useful lets see how much int it takes to equal a 1MAB increase with my current gear no latents weather day blah blah blah. My blm has 85 base int nad 42 base MAB on thunder/ice. And my gear puts me at +28MAB and +46int on ice. So a total of 131 int and 70MAB. Lets use the general HNM model of around 110 int.
The dmg forumala will look roughly like this:
D*Staff Bonus*Day | Weather Bonus*MAB / MDB *Target Magic Damage Adjustment=dmg
Where D= V (dINT * M)
Since wear comparing on same target and trying to find out same dmg we can just kill out all the stuff that would be the same to get
(V+(dint+xint)*M)*MAB= (V+(dint*M)*MAB+.01
V=506 for blizzard4
M=2 for T4 spells
dint=(131-110)=21
MAB=1.70
So some algebra
(V+ (dint+xint)*M)*MAB=(V+ (dint)*M)*MAB2
(V+Mdint+Mxint)*MAB=(V+Mdint)*MAB2
(V+Mdint)MAB+M*MABxint=(V+Mdint)MAB2
M*MABxint=(V+Mdint)MAB2-(V+Mdint)MAB
M*MABxint=(MAB-MAB2)(V+Mdint)
xint=(MAB2-MAB)(V+Mdint)/(M*MAB)
xint=(1.71-1.70)(506+2*21)/(2*1.7)
xint=(.01)(583)/(3.41)
xint= 1.61
Now obviously your base int and MAB changes well more spefically dint and MAB/MDB though most mobs have MDB of 1. The MAB2-MAB will always be .01. So you can see with higher dints 1MAB increase will become equivalent to more int and more MAB will make 1MAB increase equivalent to less int. IE the more int you have the less effective it is (for that matter also higher V values also devalue int) And the more MAB you have the less MAB you have the less effective it becomes. Oh and on Freeze 2 it would be 2.24

I'm not claiming anything.

In fact, I distinctly saw the same BLM cast a 1800 Freeze II shortly after.

But AM2s are horrible MP-inefficient and just not fair to compare damage with.

I'm not arguing that a SCH's max spike will outdo a BLM's max spike. Just comparing like nukes.

Numbers on puddings are worthless, show me consistent dmg on things that matter like HNM then i will be impressed:3

Sadly, I'm not here to impress you.

If you want numbers, you're more than welcome to level SCH and see what all the buzz is about.

Actually I like sch. The only way a blm can beat it's efficency nuking is to /sch or get rediculously luckier on conserve mp. For most fights sch will do better dps. However a blm will do more per nuke. And while that often means nothing sometimes it in fact does matter. Sometimes doing as much dmg in as little tp given does matter. Sometimes your not even allowed to nuke fast enough say skillchain MB nuking. Most those time in either situation I can /sch anyways which really more often then not means I'm the blm not in a pt or not one with refresh lol.

It's been awhile since I've nuked on puddings, but 1800 Freeze II sounds really low for a BLM as well geared as that. As you say Skill > Gear but he had to have been doing something really wrong.

I agree with your statement about AM2 not being fair testing grounds. I'd advocate T4 vs. T4.

Gearing up my Elvaan BLM and heading to Mount Z. I'll post some pics here in a sec.

This is terribly sad. And I don't mean for a novio full morrigan user. I mean its terribly sad freeze II for a merited blm with just AH gear and maybe 1-2 non ah ones that are easy to get like moldy or yigit feet or some kind of MAB gloves. Oh hell even genie gloves lol.

Something wrong with this Blm if casting a freeze2 on puddings for under 2k wearing what he COULD be wearing. I don't have full morrigan's or novio earing and my AM2's are all above 2k myself.

Also if you look at the 3rd post in this thread we're not dumbing the Blm's down to make it easy on the Sch's. It's best nukes period which Blm wins period. "Full spell access, not gimping ourselves for sch's" But even if just T4 vs T4 Blm will win.

Naw what about stone4!?! Most blms wont have that extra 10MAB!!!

D: Ya make me want to take my sch and blm out to cast Stone4's to see which is better

Just curious, but just woke up in the middle of night and can't get back to sleep so the odd thoughts are coming in, but what are you guys (talking to all the BLM and SCH) fighting that requires you to need to be nuking constantly, anyways? Everything I ever did that mattered anything (Read: not puddings) required you to skillchain and magic burst or be careful of emnity and not really free nuke and such. If the MP pool is never being fully depleted, doesn't it matter simply who does the most damage in the window that damage is to be done, and isn't that usually one or two nukes at a time?

This thread reminds me why i hate both blm and sch, but in my personal experience (and i don't care enough for my post for screenshots) i have always noticed BLM nukes hitting harder.

however

A good SCH can probably outdamage a BLM over time due to sublimation and more Macc.

Both are situational like they both have other things they can do like Thundaga and whatnot, i wouldn't put either jobs down for any reason.

The only job i see useless is dnc and pup sometimes....