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By Pantafernando 2020-09-10 11:37:06  
I would say that, for anyone that use Ainias Collar, new Vim Torque could completely destroy it, but then you gonna need to deal with a drain of 50 HP/tick
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-09-10 11:41:08  
Pantafernando said: »
I would say that, for anyone that use Ainias Collar, new Vim Torque could completely destroy it, but then you gonna need to deal with a drain of 50 HP/tick

So converting the WHM's MP into damage then?
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By Syn 2020-09-10 12:04:14  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
You know that every augment is 200m for the first month right?

That's not a "cheap alternative" to anything

"but they can just farm the items, that means its free 4head"

TIL 12x2=200, must be Asuran maths.

Extrinsic value of a commodity is a poor metric to use as a basis for intrinsic comparison. That's besides my point, which was taking money out of the crafter's hands.
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2020-09-10 12:04:40  
Egg Sandwich is level 70 Cooking

Fire Crystal
x1 Selbina Butter
x1 White Bread
x1 Hard-Boiled Egg
x1 Grauberg Lettuce (might try this next RL egg sandwich...)


Cant find the Omelette sandwich on the comprehensive npc. must be above 70, if anyone with cooking main can check.
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By Valefor.Primal 2020-09-10 12:07:56  
110 Cooking and can't find Omelette Sandwich under any category with Hakeem
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2020-09-10 12:08:24  
Siren.Kyte said: »
That's like posting a cure set for bard that somehow maxes out healing skill but neglects +Cure Potency.
Or posting dumb stuff like gaxe on builds and nageling for drk?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 12:16:24  
Syn said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
You know that every augment is 200m for the first month right?

That's not a "cheap alternative" to anything

"but they can just farm the items, that means its free 4head"

TIL 12x2=200, must be Asuran maths.

Extrinsic value of a commodity is a poor metric to use as a basis for intrinsic comparison. That's besides my point, which was taking money out of the crafter's hands.

Do you really think stacks of feathers will be 2m, that's laughable. (they are mostly pretty jank augs, but never underestimate stupid)

or, you didn't read, which is typical

70 Stacks up but no suckers yet, would've posted it, I'll be watching. Don't be stupid and pay 20m for those.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2020-09-10 12:19:59  
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Imo this set will find more use for WSing. Body and legs looks especially good for Howlign Fist, Raging Fists and Tornado Kick. Legs probably also being good for Vsmite (tho it would need deeper look, because you lose some crit rate and/or TA for more STR). Body also maybe good for Stringing Pummel?

Body's pretty awful for Stringing Pummel, mainly due to PUP not being able to equip it ;)

But yeah, would be pretty nice if PUP could. Versus the current BiS of Heyoka +1, gains TA+5%/Atk+35 by giving up 5% crit rate and whatever chance of crit from higher DEX. Almost identical STR and effective acc (after accounting for DEX).

Heyoka +1: STR+39 DEX+51 Acc+52 Crit rate +11%
Tatenashi +1 R15: STR+38 DEX+34 Acc+65 Atk+35 Crit rate +6% TA+5%

EDIT: Could be pretty interesting for WAR SAM Shining One builds, for Impulse Drive.

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Commuppances +1 get
DEX + 20
Acc/Mag Acc +40
STP +10
Pet Acc/ Mag Acc +40

This is deeply disappointing.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2020-09-10 12:29:01  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Syn said: »
Asura.Eiryl said: »
You know that every augment is 200m for the first month right?

That's not a "cheap alternative" to anything

"but they can just farm the items, that means its free 4head"

TIL 12x2=200, must be Asuran maths.

Extrinsic value of a commodity is a poor metric to use as a basis for intrinsic comparison. That's besides my point, which was taking money out of the crafter's hands.

Do you really think stacks of feathers will be 2m, that's laughable. (they are mostly pretty jank augs, but never underestimate stupid)

or, you didn't read, which is typical

70 Stacks up but no suckers yet, would've posted it, I'll be watching. Don't be stupid and pay 20m for those.
Yea thats the thing people forget its not gonna be that price forever so people will wait it out gonna take a minute to farm most of this stuff up for people not like tc is a brain dead easy farm
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By Shiva.Siviard 2020-09-10 12:31:27  
Valefor.Primal said: »
110 Cooking and can't find Omelette Sandwich under any category with Hakeem

Could it possibly be a Synergy recipe? If it isn't with the comprehensive list NPC, that's the only other option I can think of.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 12:33:07  
Could have easily forgotten to add it to the text lists.
Could not be a synth at all, could be event rewards.
Could not be added to the game yet.

it's probably HQ 2 and 3 of the regular egg sandwich
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2020-09-10 12:34:19  
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Valefor.Primal said: »
110 Cooking and can't find Omelette Sandwich under any category with Hakeem

Could it possibly be a Synergy recipe? If it isn't with the comprehensive list NPC, that's the only other option I can think of.

They always disclose the synergy recipes to us. My thoughts are:

1: Its higher than 110, in which case you need to spam the synth support/adv synth support npc hoping they give it to you.
2: For some reason, its a different craft. Unlikely.
3: It is actually a NQ>+1>+2>+3 situation. This is unlikely.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 12:35:17  
My money is on 3

Extremely easy to find out, just cook one as a 110 cook, you'll probably hq2 the first one and it'll be solved.
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By soralin 2020-09-10 12:35:57  
Feathers are possibly going to be more expensive.

Supply from Sheol C is much MUCH lower, about 40% lower, due to:

1. 4 floors instead of 6

2. Looks like drop rates on boxes are a fair bit lower as well, Im seeing about ~20% box drop rate instead of ~33% from chests

For perspective: I did 6 runs last night and normally 6 Sheol B runs gets me about 1300 hides.

Instead, even including 3 free Large boxes, I ended up with less than 1000 wings.

So the supply is going to be a fair bit tighter, and it basically means farmers will have to charge well over 30% more on wings compared to hides/scales to compensate for the lower returns.

Otherwise, there is zero incentive for farmers to even go into Sheol C, which means supply will be ultra tight unless people pay the premium.

So Id say absolutely at minimum, 3mil/stack will be the lowest wings will hit eventually, but it also will take longer to hit that.

For the record, all it takes is one or two good augments, and there are a couple, so there will be some demand.

We will have to see I suppose.
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By Shiva.Siviard 2020-09-10 12:40:02  
Sylph.Funkworkz said: »
Shiva.Siviard said: »
Valefor.Primal said: »
110 Cooking and can't find Omelette Sandwich under any category with Hakeem

Could it possibly be a Synergy recipe? If it isn't with the comprehensive list NPC, that's the only other option I can think of.

They always disclose the synergy recipes to us. My thoughts are:

Its higher than 110, in which case you need to spam the synth support/adv synth support npc hoping they give it to you.

1: Its higher than 110, in which case you need to spam the synth support/adv synth support npc hoping they give it to you.
2: For some reason, its a different craft. Unlikely.
3: It is actually a NQ>+1>+2>+3 situation. This is unlikely.

It's most likely a 110+ synth, in which case spamming the Advance Support NPC is in order.

Only reason why I think it's a whole other synth entirely is the fact the Egg Sandwich uses a Hard-Boiled Egg in the recipe. To make an Omlette, you need a raw egg. So I'm thinking of something along the lines of an Apkallu Egg in the recipe?
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2020-09-10 12:42:43  
Shiva.Siviard said: »
It's most likely a 110+ synth, in which case spamming the Advance Support NPC is in order.

Only reason why I think it's a whole other synth entirely is the fact the Egg Sandwich uses a Hard-Boiled Egg in the recipe. To make an Omlette, you need a raw egg. So I'm thinking of something along the lines of an Apkallu Egg in the recipe?

Who makes an egg sandwich with a hard boiled egg or lettuce? could be the Japanese style?

I think its a 110+ recipe too because the stats are a very significant increase when comparing all four of the new sandwiches. They also said "New synthesis recipes have been added" but this is SE we are talking about, so thats moot.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-09-10 12:49:01  
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Feathers are possibly going to be more expensive.

My guess is 70k-90k/feather for the first few weeks. None of the augments on this new set of gear even warrants ~40M, except maybe Tatenashi +1 pieces (body for sure is a nice Dagon replacement), but people will pay to be the firsts.

Personally might only make Body + Hands (hands look very good for war and sam tp), maybe legs at some point and call it a day, because I see nothing else worth spending my money on. Honorable mention to Forfend +1 as RDM's enhancing magic shield when you can't dw for nq pukulatmuj. Sheol B's items were a lot better overall, this set is disappointing to say the least.
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By Valefor.Primal 2020-09-10 12:50:19  
It’s an entirely different icon as well.

Anyways, I spammed the Adv Imagery NPC for about 5 minutes and only got Marine Stewpot.
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2020-09-10 12:52:36  
Valefor.Primal said: »
It’s an entirely different icon as well.

Anyways, I spammed the Adv Imagery NPC for about 5 minutes and only got Marine Stewpot.
Try the other NPC that only gives the free normal support.
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By Asura.Chiaia 2020-09-10 12:58:19  
Sylph.Funkworkz said: »
Who makes an egg sandwich with a hard boiled egg or lettuce? could be the Japanese style?
Egg Salad Sandwich and some people/countries use butter over mayo.
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By Siren.Kyte 2020-09-10 13:00:25  
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Siren.Kyte said: »
That's like posting a cure set for bard that somehow maxes out healing skill but neglects +Cure Potency.
Or posting dumb stuff like gaxe on builds and nageling for drk?

no, not really like that
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By Valefor.Primal 2020-09-10 13:00:40  
Sylph.Funkworkz said: »
Valefor.Primal said: »
It’s an entirely different icon as well.

Anyways, I spammed the Adv Imagery NPC for about 5 minutes and only got Marine Stewpot.
Try the other NPC that only gives the free normal support.

Altana’s repast
C. snow cones
magma steak
riverfin soup

I’ll try some more later when I’m back home.
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By SimonSes 2020-09-10 13:00:40  
Sylph.Funkworkz said: »
Who makes an egg sandwich with a hard boiled egg or lettuce? could be the Japanese style?

Very standard sandwich in Poland.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Falkirk 2020-09-10 13:02:45  
Egg Sandwich HQ1, HQ2, and HQ3 results:


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By Pudd 2020-09-10 13:07:24  
Spamming Jacodaut for 20 minutes has yielded no results, will keep trying.
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2020-09-10 13:07:57  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Personally might only make Body + Hands (hands look very good for war and sam tp)

Uh... SAM isn't gonna give up "Hasso +4" JA Haste from AF+3 hands.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-09-10 13:08:43  
Someone officially bought the first lustreless feathers (wings w/e)

Two actually did go up for 2m (i'm shocked) but he paid 4m for all the other stacks.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2020-09-10 13:17:27  
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Siren.Kyte said: »
That's like posting a cure set for bard that somehow maxes out healing skill but neglects +Cure Potency.
Or posting dumb stuff like gaxe on builds and nageling for drk?

no, not really like that
Right clearly the gaxe is worse. Either way losing a little potency for skill aint that much of a trade off. Most of the stuff should be dead by then tbh once it lands anyway but this is just wave 3 stuff anyway so.
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-09-10 13:21:22  
I mean, you can lose upwards of 30-40 evasion/magic evasion down or more by forgoing those enfeebling potency pieces for skill. It's not a trivial amount.
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By Siren.Kyte 2020-09-10 13:23:30  
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Siren.Kyte said: »
Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Siren.Kyte said: »
That's like posting a cure set for bard that somehow maxes out healing skill but neglects +Cure Potency.
Or posting dumb stuff like gaxe on builds and nageling for drk?

no, not really like that
Right clearly the gaxe is worse. Either way losing a little potency for skill aint that much of a trade off. Most of the stuff should be dead by then tbh once it lands anyway but this is just wave 3 stuff anyway so.

Great Axe is actually pretty good on DRK if you don't have Caladbolg, Liberator, and/or Anguta, and is a useful tool even if you do.


Can't say I understand why that oddly specific thing is even being brought up in this context
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