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 Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-02-19 14:00:17  
I have no trouble believing the concept that snake eye works on wild card. To be clear, I am questioning whether the rate is truly 50%. The mechanism of action appears to be the same way snake eye would work on a regular roll, and the current understanding seems to be that only provides a 40% chance of rolling the necessary difference instead of a 1.

For it to be 50%, there would need to be a completely different mechanism at work or we would need to be wrong about how snake eye merits work. Neither seems very likely to me.

It matters because if it is 40%, it is a downgrade.
 Asura.Eiryl
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By Asura.Eiryl 2026-02-19 14:07:16  
If for some reason you believe it to be 50%

Change your merits, automate a roller and see if you ever achieve an 11 via snake eye with 1 merit

It should never happen, take you maybe 30 minutes with a nomad moogle to do it 100 times and go 0/100 all you need is one success and 100 is sufficient for a 10% chance

(0/42 randomly rolling my afk cors while typing this)
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-02-19 14:43:48  
Genoxd said: »
Veydal1 said: »
Congrats!

That's really interesting about the effect on Wild Card by Snake Eye. Is this assuming Relic Feet? Would be huge if Relic Feet increased this further...

It's independent of relic feet. It's detailed on the JP wiki apparently, but feet do nothing in this situation. When the stars align and you can snake eye for WC the only 2 valid options are 1 or 5/6 depending. Snake eye will force/override it with a 50% chance of 5 or 6 else it will always be a 1 which doesn't matter for bumba.

Genoxd said: »
I did a very small sample size test but it was around 50% and works as stated in the blog. It's a 1 or a reset, never got any other numbers

Isn't it the feet that is giving the "invisible reroll" though? Also, I'm really not understanding how Snake Eye + Wild Card is skipping 2/3/4. Explain?

edit: oh is it because of the previous roll's number value being taken into effect? I should read better, Haaydee explained on last page.

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First of all, Waika, to increase the probability of 5 or 6 as much as possible, make 5 swings of Melipo's snake eye. As a result, the rest were fold 1 and loaded deck 4.


In this state, I will update with the Wizards Roll → Fold before Waika, and stop if the roll is 5 or 6. By doing snake eye and then waika in this state, if you swing 5 melipo 5, there is a 50% chance that you will get a 6 if it is 5, and if it is 6, you will get 5.
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