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By SimonSes 2020-03-17 12:32:44  
Phoenix.Mikumaru said: »
So you dont have to exit, just interact with the conflux.

yes
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2020-03-17 12:36:37  
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Do NMs not have more HP or something if you trade 1/2/3 items? Some people report popping with 1 and others 3.
I have 9 Abyssdiver feather in my inventory and I started with a stack, I'm pretty sure I tried to trade with 1 and it didnt take it. The only thing I can think if is that I popped it on the 3rd floor with 3 feathers.
 
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By Bahamut.Lexouritis 2020-03-17 15:02:07  
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The nostro mobs get stronger on each floor so I would guess everything follows suit. The Efts surrounding it had 40k+ HP where the floor 1 mobs had 30k or less and they were hitting noticeably harder

I think the mobs progressively increase in level the higher you climb. They start at 119 and the top floor might be ilvl 131 I think?
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By Pantafernando 2020-03-17 15:04:45  
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https://www.ffxiah.com/item/4086/lustreless-scale/?stack=1

No kidding, people paying ~85M for an upgrade. What is even worth this much?

No, but the very first days of a new item belongs to the richest 5% in server.
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-03-17 15:07:55  
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https://www.ffxiah.com/item/4086/lustreless-scale/?stack=1

No kidding, people paying ~85M for an upgrade. What is even worth this much?
They were selling on Asura for 10 mil per stack for a few days.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-03-17 15:09:08  
Stupidity Tax is a real thing
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Sell em now buy em back later for 1/10th the price.
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It's stupid to "use" 100m when it will be half that tomorrow.
Stacks are going to be a mil in a week.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2020-03-17 16:55:09  
People will farm astrals and use their omen timer, which has actual value besides astrals, for around 3m a run. This has a higher gear requirement, no other sources, and as of now no other rewards. With 80 scales a run, it's not impossible to believe they could maintain 3.5-4m a stack for a while.

Sure, the gear is absolutely not worth the cost, but if farming is also not worth the time you're not going to see a huge supply. It really just depends if people are willing to put their feet down and self farm or skip the upgrades for the time being.
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By fonewear 2020-03-17 17:44:06  
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Don't worry you can still sell Wave 3 clears and call it "content"

Didnt you emo-quit gaming forum because of the correlation chart ffxiah post x IQ?

I'm not smart enough to read a chart so your attempts at insults don't work.
 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-03-17 17:56:35  
Theyre equivalent to alexandrite. 30 minute event - effortless, get a stack. (*) salvage specifically (*)

The only difference is alex is useful and scales are not.

If you think 10m an hour is what theyre worth, you're crazy. I almost thought about stopping bots to go farm these all day since quarantine, but still rather play something worth playing instead.

Idiots far outnumber rational players but they should plummet.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2020-03-17 18:01:12  
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Theyre equivalent to alexandrite. 30 minute event - effortless, get a stack.

Not at all. Alexandrite comes from ambuscade and nyzul rerun. Salvage has a 1 hr lockout and can be done 24 times a day. None of these require more than sparks gear.

Omen shares the 20 hour timer, run time, and is closer to the required gear. 12 astrals in a solo omen is worth 3m(current asura prices), comes with cards, and group omen also has gear to obtain.

This is most comparable to astrals from omen. But, the obvious difference is that the upgrades are next to nothing. That should drag price down some.
 
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By Asura.Akaden 2020-03-17 18:19:28  
Not sure if it's been mentioned explicitly, but the rifts just sitting out in the middle of nowhere (not spawned by the fetter mobs) cost no izzat, just the unity materials. As mentioned by others, there seems to be a correlation between the number if materials required based on the floor you pop on 1:1. (Floor 1 costs 1 material, floor 3 costs 3, etc).
Not sure if it's guaranteed but it seems pretty consistent based on memory: all NMs (force popped or fetter mobs) give 3 scales and 1 box based on several days of running this.

Additionally, force-popped NMs with unity materials do not count for the direct-drop boxes from touching the exit conflux. I haven't ever skipped the NM, so the direct drop might come from the fetter itself, or finishing the ghostly monsters. I'm not really willing to test that. Additionally, the rift that spawns after the ghostly monsters *cannot* be force-popped with unity materials. It has to cost 10 izzat and it will be random.

Solo on COR, I was able to force-pop 2 nms (dragonfly and the intulia one) with the unity materials from their mob-type counterparts. Intuila's counterpart used perfect dodge and had a paralyze aura, but died quickly otherwise. Valkurm Imperator's counterpart died too quickly to use its two-hour or put up an aura (lucky skillchain chunked it). 3 scales, 1 box for both force-popped mobs.

Also killed 2 sets of ghostly mobs and pop 2 random NMs. I was rushing for time during these so all I remember is that one was a treant with a slow aura and the other was a morbol with magic evasion down aura. Also 3 scales 1 box each. Then had about 5 minutes to get from floor 3 to the exit and do a little farming on the way. At the end, I got 2 additional boxes from the exit direct drop. 44 scales and 6 boxes total. TH4 on every mob. If I could have found another rift I would have had time for 1 more pop.
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By kairyu 2020-03-17 18:27:24  
Today I ran straight to floor 7 and killed the fetter/king beastmen. Touching the conflux I got one box, no gil (nothing in the chatlog).
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-03-17 18:59:30  
NM List (in progress):

Tipuli
Brachys: Crab (Emperor Arthro), Invincible, Attack Down Aura
Dione
Gloios: Slime (Garbage Gel), Mighty Strikes, Defense Down Aura
Damysus
Aegypius: Bird (Abyssdiver), Perfect Dodge, Encumbrance Aura
Salmandra: Eft (Intuila), Perfect Dodge, Paralyze Aura
Ailuros: Coeurl (Voso), Perfect Dodge, Magic Accuracy Down Aura
Megaera
Eurytus
Harpe
Kusarikku
Leucippe
Cynara
Ptelea
Physis: Morbol (Sybaritic Samantha), Blood Weapon, Magic Evasion Down Aura
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By Asura.Akaden 2020-03-17 19:15:00  
Went through my logs, updated list:

NMs (in progress):
Tipuli: Dragonfly (Valkurm Imperator), Mighty strikes, ??? Aura
Brachys: Crab (Emperor Arthro), Invincible, Attack Down Aura
Dione: Flytrap (Orcfeltrap?), Blood Weapon, ??? aura
Gloios: Slime, Garbage Gel Mucus, Mighty Strikes, Defense Down Aura
Damysus
Aegypius: Bird (Abyssdiver), Perfect Dodge, Encumbrance Aura
Salmandra: Eft (Intuila), Perfect Dodge, Paralyze Aura
Ailuros: Coeurl (Voso), Perfect Dodge, Magic Accuracy Down Aura
Megaera
Eurytus: Goobbue (???), Mighty Strikes, ??? Aura
Harpe
Kusarikku
Leucippe: Bat (Tiyanak?), Perfect Dodge, ??? Aura
Cynara
Ptelea: Treant (Woodland Mender?), Mighty Strikes, Slow Aura
Physis: Morbol (Sybaritic Samantha), Blood Weapon, Magic Evasion Down Aura

Pretty sure that goobbue had a defense down aura, but I can't remember and it's not in the logs.
Also pretty sure that the bat had an encumbrance aura based on my annoyance with it and low Savage Blade numbers near the end of its life.
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By Leviathan.Stamos 2020-03-17 22:13:15  
Leucippe is also Encumberance aura.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2020-03-17 23:20:47  
Megaera: Cockatrice (Warblade Beak), Blood Weapon, Magic Attack down Aura
Harpe: Evil Weapon (Jester Malatrix), Chainspell, Magic Def Down Aura. Also has access to Whisper of Ire (absorbs buffs)
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2020-03-17 23:56:15  
Aegypius on 3rd or 4th floor took 6 wings, did PD/encumberance at like 50%, and it did something to ignore magic and physical damage for like 30 sec.

Also, something causes mobs to become true sight/sound? I sneaked up to get by some Morbols, and one aggroed. Or is everything sight/sound aggro?
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By Weeew 2020-03-18 00:45:07  
Update on my solo COR experiences:

Luck with rolling, types of enemy's on floor 1, and box drops all play a big role in the range of scales I have managed to get. Ranged from 90 to 139 per run. My highest run I was 20 seconds away from 10 izzat so it should be possible to get 150+ in a run.

I am avoiding popping nm's with izzat but unity material nm's have all been safe to solo so far. I also avoid dark resistant stuff when I can. Using triple shot then random deal to reset it and Wildcard straight after with cutting cards I was able to get another round of Wildcard before the end of the run.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2020-03-18 01:57:35  
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Or is everything sight/sound aggro?
Everything detects by both, afaik. I also experienced mobs that usually detect by sight aggroing me through Invisible.
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By Asura.Nuance 2020-03-18 02:21:50  
Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Or is everything sight/sound aggro?
Everything detects by both, afaik. I also experienced mobs that usually detect by sight aggroing me through Invisible.


Same here. Happened a few times today.
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By Bismarck.Xurion 2020-03-18 06:51:20  
Walked through spiders yesterday with just sneak and no agro.
 
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By Agrestic 2020-03-18 08:31:31  
Damysus = Joyous Green++
Kusarikku = Immanibugard++, Blood Weapon, Avoidance Down
Cynara = Cactrot Veloz++
 
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By Agrestic 2020-03-18 08:57:44  
Pop items same as the drops from named UWNM. Moss, Hide, Needle.
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By Asura.Akaden 2020-03-18 10:00:17  
Weeew said: »
Update on my solo COR experiences:
I am avoiding popping nm's with izzat but unity material nm's have all been safe to solo so far.

Have you fought the ghostly mobs and their fetter, just skipped the rift?
I'm wondering if exiting on floor 7 gives you a box if you don't kill the NM from the ghostly mobs.
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By Weeew 2020-03-18 11:24:53  
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Weeew said: »
Update on my solo COR experiences:
I am avoiding popping nm's with izzat but unity material nm's have all been safe to solo so far.

Have you fought the ghostly mobs and their fetter, just skipped the rift?
I'm wondering if exiting on floor 7 gives you a box if you don't kill the NM from the ghostly mobs.

I always kill the fetter + ghostly mobs. I don't bother exiting though because in the time it would take me to run there I can probably take down 1-2 packs which gives more scales than a small box.
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