The Last Dance III: A Dancer's Guide *New*

I've tried my best to get Aeneas to compete with Twashtar (I have both at R15), and Twash just always wins for me in practice. Even if you can squeeze out better WS average with Aeneas, Empy AM (even AM1) on Twash ends up closing that gap and then some.

The situations where I find Aeneas comes into play are rather niche. Things like multistep Umbra SCs, or Aeolian Edge cleaving. If you only have Aeneas (and Tauret, which is definitely still worth getting regardless of what other options you have) available as a mainhand option, Aeneas is still a good weapon - it's just not as good as Twashtar.

On the sheet when I tested things around with Aeneas R0 vs Twashtar R15 with that type of Rudra spamming I got results identical to Simon, despite the fact I conducted these tests a long time ago (I was using Ternion+1 R15 as OH for Twashtar, and Twashtar itself as OH for Aeneas).

When I tried to parse a few things I've done recently though, Twashtar MH always comes ahead for me. Odd...
And the difference only gets larger if for a few moments I'm able to OH Centovente.
But that's no surprise, we all know how powerful Twashtar MH can be if you can offhand Centovente.

That's fair, if you have both options. But like you said, Mythic is quite the commitment, especially for a secondary choice. I would imagine it's more likely that your average endgame player might wind up choosing a dagger if they do Aeonics and run out of other stuff to pick, versus going down the very intentional grindy path of building Terpsichore (this is me too, I'm a Twash/Aeneas/Tauret DNC so I do still get some AE use out of Aeneas from my options).

Pretty straightforward these days though and I think we're basically saying the same thing:

1) Make a Twashtar if you really care about DNC (and/or THF)

2) Terpsichore at this point is more of a luxury item or for hardcore DNC, but certainly has its uses.

3) Aeneas isn't really a priority, but for those who happen to have one already (or can get Aeonics more easily than making an Empy or Mythic) and don't have Twash/Terp, it's a very solid option. I would agree that it's far from necessary due to Tauret existing and putting out relatively comparable damage... however, I *do* often get better DPS out of Aeneas than Tauret (even if I can't manage to get Aeneas to beat Twash) so it's not a bad choice for those without Empy/Mythic.

4) Tauret is excellent for non-RMEA and still has a place even for RMEA DNC (or THF) when you want to take advantage of crits or Evisceration. Useful for a lot of other jobs too: offhand for a COR, mainhand piercing option for lots of jobs that aren't primarily dagger users, etc.

Twash just always wins for me in practice.

On the sheet when I tested things around with Aeneas R0 vs Twashtar R15 with that type of Rudra spamming I got results identical to Simon

When I tried to parse a few things I've done recently though, Twashtar MH always comes ahead for me.

So in general, in real test it's easy to go outside of boundaries that you set in sheet.

This it's particularly worthwhile to maintain AM3 with a corresponding gearset for DNC? The THF thread mentions AM3 isn't really worth it and to instead spam Rudra's, but I'm not sure if that varies for DNC

This it's particularly worthwhile to maintain AM3 with a corresponding gearset for DNC? The THF thread mentions AM3 isn't really worth it and to instead spam Rudra's, but I'm not sure if that varies for DNC

Since when? Thief has always been and always will be my favorite job and I can assure you thief wants to maintain aftermath 3 when possible. Simon advocates a white damage crit focused build on thief that maximizes both crit damage, triple attack, and triple attack damage, which synergises with maintaining aftermath 3. I've used the build for a while and it's extremely effective. Even when I'm running a hybrid on thief I still want aftermath 3 up. And if not aftermath 3, then aftermath 2 at the very least. You always want aftermath 2 or 3 up when you're mainhanding twashtar. Especially since rudra's scales so efficiently up to 2k there's no reason to ever NOT have it up. It's perfectly fine to hold tp once every minute and a half to get that extra layer of white damage out. You lose very little damage holding tp to do so and the white damage you gain always makes up for it. The payoff is worth it.

Aren't rapier types, pierce? Demersal should be as joyeous is.

No idea if either are, but you should find out before you burn a ki.

Weapon skills are not affected by irregular damage types, so Swift Blade would still be slashing even with the rapiers.

Warder of Temperence should tell me if these weapons are truly piercing damage (unless someone already knows).

The point is they won't be able to get tp (at all) or the white damage will be very low defeating the purpose.

odyssey is so *** stupid

nsfw