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 Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-12-30 21:54:10
Honestly, outside of TP reset strat and Purulent Ooze, has anyone gotten major use out of BST in any of the Gaol bosses, fighting alongside their pets the way SE wants you to play the job? We used BST for V25 Kalunga clear. It engaged with pet, and would Stay the pet away when it was in danger (during aura or tp move spam). You can get a lot of use out of the job for lower vengeance level fights. I distinctly recall main healing V15 Gogmagog as BST with Pondering Peter. The problem is it's not optimal, therefore people are less willing to try it, and nobody has it geared well enough to use over GEO or whatever random unga bunga DD job.
I did and tried, there's just really no reason to. It can be made to deal acceptable damage, but other then HP cheese or TP reset it's just "why". Outside of just screwing around and having fun, it doesn't really provide anything that can't be done better by someone else. It's why I wish they would more party utility, stuff that benefits other members. Then it could at least be a "hey I deal less damage, but I give bonus's to other people's damage / survivability".
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Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2024-12-30 21:57:04
Far as no subtle blow goes, pet gets at min. 15(think jobs with the right jobs get the traits but not sure) and the bst(with r30 gleti legs) 30 total before adding anything like sherida or basic SBI accessories so donno bout no SB
/NIN gives 15 SB for non-gaol, gaol itself doesn't really matter. WAR + BRD + COR along is going to feed enough TP to have Kalunga poping off a move every 11s or so, which is the point at which it stops mattering.
 Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-12-30 22:01:17
Imagine if buffs and debuffs didn't work for everyone else depending on if you had the correct killer traits.
You'd all suck
By buttplug 2024-12-30 23:38:14
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BST > Mythic / Savage Blade
By Felgarr 2024-12-31 01:49:18
Honestly, outside of TP reset strat and Purulent Ooze, has anyone gotten major use out of BST in any of the Gaol bosses, fighting alongside their pets the way SE wants you to play the job? We used BST for V25 Kalunga clear. It engaged with pet, and would Stay the pet away when it was in danger (during aura or tp move spam). You can get a lot of use out of the job for lower vengeance level fights. I distinctly recall main healing V15 Gogmagog as BST with Pondering Peter. The problem is it's not optimal, therefore people are less willing to try it, and nobody has it geared well enough to use over GEO or whatever random unga bunga DD job.
I did and tried, there's just really no reason to. It can be made to deal acceptable damage, but other then HP cheese or TP reset it's just "why". Outside of just screwing around and having fun, it doesn't really provide anything that can't be done better by someone else. It's why I wish they would more party utility, stuff that benefits other members. Then it could at least be a "hey I deal less damage, but I give bonus's to other people's damage / survivability".
Totally agree. More Pet->Master buffs BUT may be one day we could apply them to the party too? That would be cool. (It does kind of imitate or encroach on BLU's Diffusion, but not the same comparison on my opinion).
By Felgarr 2024-12-31 01:54:47
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BST > Mythic / Savage Blade
I watched about 5 minutes, then got sleepy. (I love BST videos, but it's 3AM...so TLDR?)
Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-12-31 07:07:50
Totally agree. More Pet->Master buffs BUT may be one day we could apply them to the party too? That would be cool. (It does kind of imitate or encroach on BLU's Diffusion, but not the same comparison on my opinion).
Mighty Guard doesn't occupy the same buff location as pet buffs. There is no encroachment.
Everything that you bring a BST for can be done by a BLU already except KI. The with exception of the leech, BLU is significantly better at all of it. All while possibly tanking and not having to manage extra pet actions.
By Kaffy 2024-12-31 10:18:02
Some small bits of new info in the New Year greeting here
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/22231/detail.html
They really took the survey results to heart as far as focusing on solo play is concerned. Very curious to see how they approach the autogroup function.
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By Nariont 2024-12-31 10:21:59
curious how they'll tackle boosting trusts or itll just be a simple stat increase across the board, looks like they want to also revisit content that requires bodies to enter
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-12-31 10:25:31
Just make moogle Mastery accessible outside of Odyssey. The improved trust durability already exists.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-12-31 10:30:30
I don't think there's much to guess, there's only one right answer, and they won't do it. (gambits ff12 and actual boosting of skills. song+ enmity+ roll+)
They will literally give them another level up and tell us to say thank you.
Trust actions are the problem, not their stats (I mean, they do need more hp...). But they don't see it that way.
By Nariont 2024-12-31 10:39:04
Possibly, but then theres the vala chnge they pulled out of nowhere, so if they do want to really bump up trusts they can, like you say its probably gonna be a generic bump but could always see more
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-12-31 10:41:56
They probably make the +50% HP/mp alter ego campaign standard and call it a day.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2024-12-31 10:45:43
There are some interesting things in here, some are a bit surprising
it is our hope that solo players can have an experience that is more in-line with the endgame content - More solo oriented content and buffs to trust. I agree global Moogle Mastery would be interesting, but I doubt that's the approach they take given it wouldn't really benefit players who don't do Odyssey. It seems their emphasis would be more on non-endgame content, even if I agree that'd be the best choice.
Auto grouping and/or creating an assist-like global channel for forming parties - This would be interesting, it would be really nice to move PUG formation out of yell so you don't have to be in town or watching on an alt to see PUG creation
Besieged/Limbus updates - We knew about this
such as adjustments to the Records of Eminence or by reducing the number of upgrade steps needed for your equipment. These changes should help players gain access to higher level equipment more easily. - I'm curious what this means, if they plan on adjusting requirements for older content (REMA requirements?) - Mentioning gear and RoE together makes me think they are evaluating Unity requirements less than REMA, but it'd be interesting if they shift the requirements for some REMAs also
we have decided to make improvements such as additional automaton attachments and blue magic sets a priority - The biggest wtf. I'm not complaining but this seemingly came out of left field. Funny timing considering what was said about PUP in the other thread (including my comments)
Therefore, our development and operations teams will be giving priority to the game's stability and ease of play throughout the year so that we can provide you with the game experience you've come to expect while also making new additions and improvements. - Don't expect anything anytime soon
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By Nariont 2024-12-31 10:51:31
Auto grouping and/or creating an assist-like global channel for forming parties - This would be interesting, it would be really nice to move PUG formation out of yell so you don't have to be in town or watching on an alt to see PUG creation
Isn't assist also tied to towns? LEast it sounded like they wanted to use assist to springboard a party seek chat. If they do make it all zones it could be interesting(though itll just flooded with merc chats lets be honest)
we have decided to make improvements such as additional automaton attachments and blue magic sets a priority - The biggest wtf. I'm not complaining but this seemingly came out of left field
This i think was either brought up in the survey or a bit earlier so not completely outta nowhere, they just said iirc that it was difficult to do, like they mentioned here.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2024-12-31 10:56:15
Isn't assist also tied to towns? LEast it sounded like they wanted to use assist to springboard a party seek chat. If they do make it all zones it could be interesting(though itll just flooded with merc chats lets be honest)
It might be, I haven't been on them in ages, so I might be mistaken. I thought they were global, but could be wrong.
You aren't wrong about mercs flooding the chat though.
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-12-31 11:20:49
I am not trying to be negative, but I don't think the autogroup feature will be good if it uses the same /autogroup button and menu that already exists plus just a dedicated chat menu. It will just be people migrating their yells to that new chat. They need to overhaul it into an actual duty/party finder interface, so you can select specific battle content by name (like Sortie, Assault, Besieged, allow wildcard searching, or expand the list to literally very single content so players can pick exactly what they need members/parrty for). Leaders should be able to find a list of names of players who specifically are wanting to do a certain content (Nyzul Isle for instance), and they can list their jobs or whatever, and players should be able to search groups who are leading content and they can see what the group needs. Then the players can find each other naturally by using this function. I have doubts they will implement this the way it SHOULD work, and what you will get is just the same list of players using /autogroup (you can do "/sea all inv" or "/sea all autogroup" and see the list of people with flags up already) with just a chat of players talking over each other to fill groups. I will be delighted if I am proven wrong.
Also, they mentioned this towards the end:
Quote: Please note that while we are still trying to decide the exact specifications and timelines of such efforts, we are rather close to finalizing things.
While I'm sure the Survey weighed in slightly on some of these decisions, it really just sounds like these were plans they were intending to implement all along, before the survey, and they wanted player feedback to reinforce whatever decision they have already planned on taking, so that it looks like they are doing what we want.
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By Ovalidal 2024-12-31 11:39:32
Also, they mentioned this towards the end:
Quote: Please note that while we are still trying to decide the exact specifications and timelines of such efforts, we are rather close to finalizing things.
While I'm sure the Survey weighed in slightly on some of these decisions, it really just sounds like these were plans they were intending to implement all along, before the survey, and they wanted player feedback to reinforce whatever decision they have already planned on taking, so that it looks like they are doing what we want.
It's impossible to say how much the survey changed the course of the game's development. I wouldn't dismiss it though. I'll reiterate what someone else said. If they had more costly plans to work on the game, the very least the survey did was provide evidence of profitability to the dev's higher ups. With as many responses came through, it would be far easier to secure funding for more costly future projects (perhaps like the auto-party functions, etc).
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By Asura.Bronzequadav 2024-12-31 12:23:03
While I haven't expected anything and their new post still has me not expecting anything, it does seem like a pretty big tone shift from the the producer's letter when he took over.
Was pretty much all doom and gloom "Don't expect anything, the game is old and we have no staff" compared to this current message offering changes and continued support to come. It's kind of nice.
By Ovalidal 2024-12-31 12:28:53
Asura.Bronzequadav said: »While I haven't expected anything and their new post still has me not expecting anything, it does seem like a pretty big tone shift from the the producer's letter when he took over.
Was pretty much all doom and gloom "Don't expect anything, the game is old and we have no staff" compared to this current message offering changes and continued support to come. It's kind of nice.
One thing a lot of people overlook as that, the producer said he was sending his talent off to work on other projects to further gather experience. A couple months later, Echoes of Vana'diel was announced in FFXIV, and they've stated multiple times that the FFXI team is also working on that.
I don't think it's too far-fetched to say that the "2024 Maintenance Mode" meme came from the fact that SE was having the FFXI team work on more content for FFXIV than they were FFXI.
By Felgarr 2024-12-31 12:30:47
NEW PUP ATTACHMENTS IN 2025!
NEW BLU MAGIC SETS IN 2025!
...BST....maybe?
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By waffle 2024-12-31 12:41:08
Is there a new item from trading random stuff to the New Year's critters in the starter zones this year?
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-12-31 12:48:52
NEW PUP ATTACHMENTS IN 2025!
NEW BLU MAGIC SETS IN 2025!
What they said:
Quote: While we will continue to examine and confirm the relevant details, we have decided to make improvements such as additional automaton attachments and blue magic sets a priority.
How would you define "blue magic sets"? Does this mean new spells, new job trait spellset combinations, more slots for blue magic, or all of the above/something else? In fact, they don't say "NEW" at all, they say "additional". Is this just more space to add more attachments and blue magic? All they show is the menu screen filled up with attachments and magic. I feel like this is just more storage, not necessarily new spells/attachments.
What does the JP translation say about this?
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By LightningHelix 2024-12-31 13:04:21
I assumed it was saved sets for both "automaton attachments" and "blue magic sets", i.e. something like the existing addons like AzureSets, so you can hotswap entire sets back and forth.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2024-12-31 13:05:27
Thats what it is. Just preset sets for tanking, shooting, nuking
Nothing new, just improved hotswapping.
Which is nice but nothing to write home about it's just an (overdue) UIX upgrade.
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By Nariont 2024-12-31 13:06:46
JP page also just lists automaton attachments and blu spell maps, so could be read either way, but im assuming they mean saved sets for attachments/spells
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Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-12-31 13:44:19
I assumed it was saved sets for both "automaton attachments" and "blue magic sets", i.e. something like the existing addons like AzureSets, so you can hotswap entire sets back and forth.
I'm glad I asked because this was not what I was thinking about, but its necessary.
 Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2024-12-31 13:49:25
JP page also just lists automaton attachments and blu spell maps, so could be read either way, but im assuming they mean saved sets for attachments/spells The way it's worded makes you think about new attachments etc, but the context of the examples they provide reveal it's just that, saved sets.
It's cool I guess? Hopefully sometimes during this year they will also start with jobs adjustments though
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By Felgarr 2024-12-31 14:17:34
I assumed it was saved sets for both "automaton attachments" and "blue magic sets", i.e. something like the existing addons like AzureSets, so you can hotswap entire sets back and forth.
I'm glad I asked because this was not what I was thinking about, but its necessary.
God damn it. 2025 hasn't even started yet and it's already off to a ***start.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2024-12-31 14:27:35
SE: Greetings adventu...
Us: OMG NEW EXPANSION CONFIRMED, 10 AH SLOTS, 5 MORE GOBBIEBAG QUESTS, ALLIANCE CONTENT, FREE WARDROBES
This thread is for discussion of recent news from the Dev Tracker - News thread. Keep it civil.
Original thread by Pantafernando archived here.
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