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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-08-10 00:41:38
Skulker's Culottes +2
DEF:132 HP+70 STR+39 DEX+13 VIT+21 AGI+25 INT+35 MND+22 CHR+16 Accuracy+53 Attack+53 Magic Accuracy+53 Evasion+87 Magic Evasion+115 "Magic Def. Bonus"+8 Haste+6% "Despoil"+11 Critical hit rate +6% Damage taken -12% Set: Augments "Triple Attack"
Neat, but not what I was looking for
Skulker's Bonnet +2
DEF:120 HP+61 STR+26 DEX+38 VIT+24 AGI+34 INT+18 MND+18 CHR+18 Accuracy+51 Attack+51 Magic Accuracy+51 Evasion+89 Magic Evasion+99 "Magic Def. Bonus"+6 Haste+8% "Triple Attack"+5% "Accomplice"+18% "Collaborator"+18% Physical damage limit +7% Set: Augments "Triple Attack"
By Tarage 2022-08-10 01:02:47
SMN earring kills Gelos. Gelos is dead. Horn possibly replaces as idle main. Might shift some stuff around in idle to take advantage of the fact that head, body, and legs all have -DT. Happy.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2022-08-10 01:42:44
Valefor.Prothescar said: »DT on SAM head, WSD on hands or feet. DT on legs would be too good to be true so not even on my radar.
I'm glad to be sipping my own ***rn
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By Asura.Aburaage 2022-08-16 03:16:06
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By Asura.Neviskio 2022-08-16 03:17:26
May wanna add more context, emergency maint "for a few minutes" incoming on leafallia 2:00 PDT, 9 GMT, 10 BST.
By Tokimemofan 2022-08-16 03:20:10
Yep I got that message a short time ago myself
Bismarck.Zuidar
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By Bismarck.Zuidar 2022-08-16 03:25:07
does it bother anyone about the fact they never even added the new slip for Empyrean reforged +2 yet?
By Tokimemofan 2022-08-16 03:29:23
does it bother anyone about the fact they never even added the new slip for Empyrean reforged +2 yet? Damn straight
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By Asura.Specialkid 2022-08-16 07:46:17
it's been 80 years since we added a new porter moogle slip...
Phoenix.Capuchin
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-08-16 14:39:04
Speaking of thf, it looks like the entire bg guide was wiped out. In april, salty fighting with someone and nuked it... I vaguely remember that conversation?
Spicyryan seems to have redone everything in the other guide linked on BG THF page: Rogue's Gallery.
I never directly said anything to the guy, but there was a THF discussion about Aeneas here a while back (where, I'm paraphrasing, but general consensus seemed to be that these days it's best MH option for Aeolian Edge but not much else). I commented about the old Community guide on BG still suggesting Aeneas over Twash for mainhand, and also noted that guide still suggested TP sets with low defensive stats, and asked if that was just an outdated guide since that sounded more in line with common advice a few years back. People said Spicy did the guide and he has a certain perspective.
Anyway, apparently he took that discussion as an attack and revamped the guide (and it's actually pretty good), but threw in several comments about the FFXIAH crowd (the "if a mob so much as breathes in your general direction" hybrid TP set is sarcastically quoting something I wrote here where I was skeptical of Adhemar sets on more current content due to the paper thin defense). IDK, maybe he just took it personal.
His guide is pretty good though. Hi Spicy.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-08-16 15:30:13
Late to the discussion! I was on vacation ;_;
For those bored enough posting my quick thoughs on +2 armour, looking for input because I might be missing something here and there
Monk I dunno, head for Hybrid maybe, hands for PDL, overall not particularly impressed by either.
Body was discussed already. Waste of 8% WSD but what can we do about it?
Legs look awesome and I'm particularly disappointed by feet.
They gained only +5 kick damage, leading me to believe the +3 will have only +65 total which is not even close to AF+3.
The +3 version of feet might finally become a better swap-in for Footwork though, compared to currend BiS (Shukuyu Sune-ate).
They could be a compromise if you want defensive stats AND some kick damage, I suppose. But I'm confident you could cap DT with all the other slots an keep AF+3 at that point. I dunno, I was really hoping for these feet to be awesome.
Red Mage I knew this was going to be good but it's frankly overwhelmingly good °-°
I'm not sure what I can complain about here lol
Thief Head looking very cool, +3 gonna be super hot.
Body was discussed already. Hands and Legs don't seem particularly attractive to me. I'm wondering about feet. Would feet+2/egg be a better option than relic+3/egg hands? For when you want to TP in TH8 of course. Feet+3 alone might be the right answer to this question anyway.
Bard This has been a huge disappointment for me. Well not huge, I mean we already use all the +1 pieces, so getting +2 will only make them better in terms of stuff like macc etc, but it's disappointing to see none of those pieces got a +1 in their specific song-boosting stat. And it's particularly aggravating that Feet are not one of the two pieces with DT on it. I mean SE wtf!
Samurai I've seen people dyin out because of how good this set is, supposedly. I must be missing something.
Body looks awesome, Head looks ok, having more sources of PDL (feet) is nice too (but certainly not game changing?) and I dunno, legs +2 don't seem a good enough alternative to relic+3 hands to me. The +3 version will likely change things but for now this set looks nice but I'm not exactly overwhelmed, other than the body.
Ninja Someone please tell me why the bloody hell they didn't put WSD on the body, instead that on the feet...
I dunno body is more viable to fulltime in TP if you wanna make use of Migawari but other than that this set looks so disappointing. Hands will be nice for nuking (but of course no mab on them...) but that's a very niche thing. Legs for tanking? I dunno I'm not exactly overly excited for this set.
Summoner Oh wow head looks so *** nice. Sad that none of these pieces beat Baayami+1 in terms of +skill but then again I was expecting that so I'm not exactely disappointed. I like body too and I guess feet could be nice for some perp builds for people without Nirvana? I dunno really. Legs look ok, sorta like Enticer's? +3 might make them more relevant.
Blue mage Couldn't put some "Blue magic duration +X%" stat somewhere, right SE? I see some sidegrades or moderate upgrades but I can't exactly say I'm overly excited about how game changing this set is.
Dancer Omg they did it, they put WSD on the head!
Liking feet and hands too.
Body and legs are meh.
Scholar Liking this a lot. Head for Ebullience nuking, for Regen, Hands for perp, body for idle (and freenukes?), legs for macc, feet for nukes <3
Wish the magic burst+10 was on legs rather than hands but I guess you can't get everything, can you?
Geomancer Well, I was still using some +1 pieces so I won't complain. Shaping up to get some nice options for nuking, bursting and enfeeble landing. Particularly happy they put master DT on the head, which I like to use for pet regen.
Rune Fencer This is another, partial, disappointment.
SirD on head? Really? And no DT? Still, slight update compared to Agwu. Same FC as Adhemar+1 on body but with less HP and, again, no DT (+3 will be BiS though, I suppose).
Of course they had to put DT on the hands...
Legs just got even better, nomnom, and so did feet altough it leaves you with the choice of decently high meva/Inquartata from Turms+1 or the superior meva/resistance from feet, with additional DT which will give a lot of freedom in the other slots. Still losing inquartata+5 will be sad, for fights where that matters, altough I feel there aren't that many these days to be fair.
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By Asura.Lordoftheseven 2022-08-16 15:38:09
Late to the discussion! I was on vacation ;_;
For those bored enough posting my quick thoughs on +2 armour, looking for input because I might be missing something here and there
Monk I dunno, head for Hybrid maybe, hands for PDL, overall not particularly impressed by either.
Body was discussed already. Waste of 8% WSD but what can we do about it?
Legs look awesome and I'm particularly disappointed by feet.
They gained only +5 kick damage, leading me to believe the +3 will have only +65 total which is not even close to AF+3.
The +3 version of feet might finally become a better swap-in for Footwork though, compared to currend BiS (Shukuyu Sune-ate).
They could be a compromise if you want defensive stats AND some kick damage, I suppose. But I'm confident you could cap DT with all the other slots an keep AF+3 at that point. I dunno, I was really hoping for these feet to be awesome.
Red Mage I knew this was going to be good but it's frankly overwhelmingly good °-°
I'm not sure what I can complain about here lol
Thief Head looking very cool, +3 gonna be super hot.
Body was discussed already. Hands and Legs don't seem particularly attractive to me. I'm wondering about feet. Would feet+2/egg be a better option than relic+3/egg hands? For when you want to TP in TH8 of course. Feet+3 alone might be the right answer to this question anyway.
Bard This has been a huge disappointment for me. Well not huge, I mean we already use all the +1 pieces, so getting +2 will only make them better in terms of stuff like macc etc, but it's disappointing to see none of those pieces got a +1 in their specific song-boosting stat. And it's particularly aggravating that Feet are not one of the two pieces with DT on it. I mean SE wtf!
Samurai I've seen people dyin out because of how good this set is, supposedly. I must be missing something.
Body looks awesome, Head looks ok, having more sources of PDL (feet) is nice too (but certainly not game changing?) and I dunno, legs +2 don't seem a good enough alternative to relic+3 hands to me. The +3 version will likely change things but for now this set looks nice but I'm not exactly overwhelmed, other than the body.
Ninja Someone please tell me why the bloody hell they didn't put WSD on the body, instead that on the feet...
I dunno body is more viable to fulltime in TP if you wanna make use of Migawari but other than that this set looks so disappointing. Hands will be nice for nuking (but of course no mab on them...) but that's a very niche thing. Legs for tanking? I dunno I'm not exactly overly excited for this set.
Summoner Oh wow head looks so *** nice. Sad that none of these pieces beat Baayami+1 in terms of +skill but then again I was expecting that so I'm not exactely disappointed. I like body too and I guess feet could be nice for some perp builds for people without Nirvana? I dunno really. Legs look ok, sorta like Enticer's? +3 might make them more relevant.
Blue mage Couldn't put some "Blue magic duration +X%" stat somewhere, right SE? I see some sidegrades or moderate upgrades but I can't exactly say I'm overly excited about how game changing this set is.
Dancer Omg they did it, they put WSD on the head!
Liking feet and hands too.
Body and legs are meh.
Scholar Liking this a lot. Head for Ebullience nuking, for Regen, Hands for perp, body for idle (and freenukes?), legs for macc, feet for nukes <3
Wish the magic burst+10 was on legs rather than hands but I guess you can't get everything, can you?
Geomancer Well, I was still using some +1 pieces so I won't complain. Shaping up to get some nice options for nuking, bursting and enfeeble landing. Particularly happy they put master DT on the head, which I like to use for pet regen.
Rune Fencer This is another, partial, disappointment.
SirD on head? Really? And no DT? Still, slight update compared to Agwu. Same FC as Adhemar+1 on body but with less HP and, again, no DT (+3 will be BiS though, I suppose).
Of course they had to put DT on the hands...
Legs just got even better, nomnom, and so did feet altough it leaves you with the choice of decently high meva/Inquartata from Turms+1 or the superior meva/resistance from feet, with additional DT which will give a lot of freedom in the other slots. Still losing inquartata+5 will be sad, for fights where that matters, altough I feel there aren't that many these days to be fair. Sam's legs are deff super good and 100% replace af1+3 gloves
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By Asura.Hiraishinsenna 2022-08-16 16:11:46
Late to the discussion! I was on vacation ;_;
For those bored enough posting my quick thoughs on +2 armour, looking for input because I might be missing something here and there
We don't care about your opinion. :P
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-08-16 16:17:25
Asura.Lordoftheseven said: »Sam's legs are deff super good and 100% replace af1+3 gloves Don't they leave you 1 haste away from cap?
Quite interesting if I'm wrong!
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By Phoenix.Shantae 2022-08-16 16:19:07
Bard
This has been a huge disappointment for me. Well not huge, I mean we already use all the +1 pieces, so getting +2 will only make them better in terms of stuff like macc etc, but it's disappointing to see none of those pieces got a +1 in their specific song-boosting stat. And it's particularly aggravating that Feet are not one of the two pieces with DT on it. I mean SE wtf! I certainly agree with ya, though I was presuming if we are going to get any + to the songs on the pieces, that it is most likely they'll reserve it for the +3 versions of the armor. Gotta "motivate" us to go the all way as usual...
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2022-08-16 16:19:14
Asura.Lordoftheseven said: »Sam's legs are deff super good and 100% replace af1+3 gloves Don't they leave you 1 haste away from cap?
Quite interesting if I'm wrong!
No. You need less than 2% JA haste from hasso enhancements (1.25%) to cap delay reduction if you have capped gear and magic haste. Even wakido sune ate are enough, they just don't have any other good stats besides loads of acc and a bit of zanshin
The pants are really good because they have store tp AND dt- in addition to capping haste
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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2022-08-16 16:20:12
Bard
This has been a huge disappointment for me. Well not huge, I mean we already use all the +1 pieces, so getting +2 will only make them better in terms of stuff like macc etc, but it's disappointing to see none of those pieces got a +1 in their specific song-boosting stat. And it's particularly aggravating that Feet are not one of the two pieces with DT on it. I mean SE wtf!
IDK, this is one case where I'd say wait for Empy+3 to make a judgment. An additional +1 to song just feels like something that would/should only make it onto the final upgraded piece, and not the +2 version. The +2 we got is certainly not very exciting, but hey, I'll take more DEF/Meva/MDB/stats for gear I was already singing in anyway.
I'm with you on the WTF with Feet DT- though! And after Relic body, Empy reforge set having no WSD pieces is also disappointing.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2022-08-16 16:22:39
Asura.Hiraishinsenna said: »Late to the discussion! I was on vacation ;_;
For those bored enough posting my quick thoughs on +2 armour, looking for input because I might be missing something here and there
We don't care about your opinion. :P
maybe it's actually a joke or whatever but, why would anyone ever post their opinion on a discussion forum.
In response to Sechs.. Sam set is generally good, maybe not the head, although I think you'd want that for koga AM, +11 STP is nice. Hands are really good, I still used them at +1 for sekkanoki WS, now they're actually providing more than just the TP bonus for WS. Legs are good, and due to the defensive stats, I'm likely going to swap out AF+3 hands for these. Only need like +2 Hasso to cap, so +3 on these and +4 on hands is overkill anyway. Can put, Mpaca hands on for TP now with no regerts, for TA damage + since most of our gear is rocking TA, so you.
Body is great for Zanhasso, and good defensively too.
Feet are kinda meh, still decent for sengikori, but will weaken the WS you use them on.
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By Asura.Lordoftheseven 2022-08-16 16:33:32
Asura.Lordoftheseven said: »Sam's legs are deff super good and 100% replace af1+3 gloves Don't they leave you 1 haste away from cap?
Quite interesting if I'm wrong! Valefor.Prothescar said: »Asura.Lordoftheseven said: »Sam's legs are deff super good and 100% replace af1+3 gloves Don't they leave you 1 haste away from cap?
Quite interesting if I'm wrong!
No. You need less than 2% JA haste from hasso enhancements (1.25%) to cap delay reduction if you have capped gear and magic haste. Even wakido sune ate are enough, they just don't have any other good stats besides loads of acc and a bit of zanshin
The pants are really good because they have store tp AND dt- in addition to capping haste This its all about the stats that come with the hasso+
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-08-16 16:52:46
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »maybe it's actually a joke or whatever but, why would anyone ever post their opinion on a discussion forum. Hiraishinsenna is a dear friend, he was just messing around <3
Thanks for the input folks!
Kasuga Legs still use the old model of haste+5% on Legs. Altough given how most builds for SAM use Sailfi/Ioskeha, that shouldn't be an issue for reaching 26% gear haste I suppose.
Alternatives to Relic+3 hands then would be Mpaca or... Tatenashi +1 R15? Which are sorta glass-cannon but that should be well enough compensated by Kasuga +2 body/legs which have decent enough defensive stats, even more when the +3 will be out in november.
I see the point of Hands+2 for Sekkanoki, as limited as that may be. Should upgrade them regardless though I think, given how with the +3 version they will likely become our BiS option for all physical WS, with Nyame probably remaining BiS for hybrids.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2022-08-16 16:56:21
Alternatives to Relic+3 hands then would be Mpaca or... Tatenashi +1 R15? Which are sorta glass-cannon but that should be well enough compensated by Kasuga +2 body/legs which have decent enough defensive stats, even more when the +3 will be out in november.
Also kendatsuba tekko +1
By 1thenumber 2022-08-25 20:53:38
AMAN Trove - had a very interesting encounter where I entered a Mars Orb and had a rainbow before I even touched a chest. Possible bug, but the series of events were:
1) Entered a Mars Orb, opened 7 straight chests that were all noises. The last 5 all gave a belligerent bang notice. 8th chest was Ka-thwacked.
2) Got another Mars orb, immediately back to Yughott Grotto and entered the encounter. When I entered, first chest was already a rainbow which was a loud thud. Opened it then opened terminal coffer, and confirmed a Murasamemaru as the loud thud. Didn't touch the 9 brown chests. SS below.
Anyone seen anything like this? Bug? Working as intended? AMAN Trove Pity at 7 straight noises?
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-08-25 20:55:17
Random, but not a bug
(*)As of yet to be called a bug
By Rips 2022-08-26 01:57:21
AMAN Trove - had a very interesting encounter where I entered a Mars Orb and had a rainbow before I even touched a chest. Possible bug, but the series of events were:
1) Entered a Mars Orb, opened 7 straight chests that were all noises. The last 5 all gave a belligerent bang notice. 8th chest was Ka-thwacked.
2) Got another Mars orb, immediately back to Yughott Grotto and entered the encounter. When I entered, first chest was already a rainbow which was a loud thud. Opened it then opened terminal coffer, and confirmed a Murasamemaru as the loud thud. Didn't touch the 9 brown chests. SS below.
Anyone seen anything like this? Bug? Working as intended? AMAN Trove Pity at 7 straight noises?
Working as intended. I would out the chance of that happening around 5%, maybe a bit lower.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-08-26 02:02:06
More like .005%. We've seen very few SS of this after months of Aman Trove changes, it happens so rare, people think its a bug. Seems like a freebie the same way your Mars/Venus can refresh from NPC, which I still havent seen that happen once in dozens of orbs. Ultra Rare.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-08-26 02:04:30
Weren't the orb refresh rate estabilished to be around 5%?
It sure has been around that to me! Then again I only have a small sample of around a bit more than 100 orbs, mostly Mars ones.
As for the rainbow chest at start I dunno, seems to me it's way more frequent than 0.005%.
More something like 2% or 3%?
By Seun 2022-08-26 03:26:32
As for the rainbow chest at start I dunno, seems to me it's way more frequent than 0.005%.
More something like 2% or 3%?
Definitely closer to 5% than .005% for me. I've seen 5 rainbows on entry and had orbs refreshed 4 times from Greyson for what it's worth. I think the only thing I'd amend to my initial theory of how Trove works is that it's possible to get multiple rainbow/gold chests on entry. I've heard this several times now and I believe it's true as well.
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-08-26 03:30:30
On a wild guess, at least based on my experience, I'd dare say it's closer to 5%.
Keep in mind sometimes the first line of chests "loads" up on your screen when you're already at the line behind.
So if you have the habit to open one of the chests behind as your first and you're really fast, it could occur that you open the chest before you notice that the first line has a rainbow chest among them.
If you let something like this happen it could skew the data into letting you think its % is lower than it really is.
By SimonSes 2022-08-26 04:25:14
As for the rainbow chest at start I dunno, seems to me it's way more frequent than 0.005%.
More something like 2% or 3%?
Definitely closer to 5% than .005% for me. I've seen 5 rainbows on entry and had orbs refreshed 4 times from Greyson for what it's worth. I think the only thing I'd amend to my initial theory of how Trove works is that it's possible to get multiple rainbow/gold chests on entry. I've heard this several times now and I believe it's true as well.
Im using mostly Mars and I had rainbow on start exactly once. I used around 60 orbs so far.
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