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I just see a lot of people who probably haven't even done the content talking about how they can't get into it yet. Sense more frustration from the community about how strong the equip. is.

• オデシーの上限か… - Ahh, raising the cap on Odyssey

• Ⅴ25は既定路線か - V25 is gunna be added

• あー、あがっちまうか - they're raisin it up!

• デシーはエンドコンテンツ、知ってる - Odyssey, yeah, end-game, I know.

• もういいよこれ - i've had enough of this already

• ​枠が増える？！ - more slots?!

• V20もつらいのに - V20 is tough as it is...

• ニャメ最強はもうやめて・・・ - no more enhancement of Nyame please...

• オデシー取っつき辛くてまだやれてない・・・ - it's hard to get into Odyssey so I haven't been able to do it yet...

• 4枠目ですとー！！ - Up to 4 slots!!

• 突入上限の緩和お願いします - Please soften the entry requirements

• オデシーはほんとに廃人向けだから気にしないで良 - Odyssey is for *explitive* so no need to pay attention to this.

• オデシーはずっと６人制限なのかなあ… - I wonder if it will always remain 6 ppl content.

• ジェールはもういいよ… - Tired of Geol.

• オデシーやってないなあ・・・- Haven't done any Odyssey...

• オデシーは全然やってねーやー - haven't done Odyssey. at. all.

• デシー装備、良いんだけど強すぎる気がする - It's fine I guess but I feel that Ody equip is already too strong as it is

• はいひとむけかぁ - for the end-gamers

• ​オデシー18人コンテンツにしようぜ - let's make Ody 18man content!

• 下のvengの緩和はございませんの - no adjustment to the lower veng?

• Veng20でかなり面倒なんだよね - doing Veng20 is already quite the chore isn't it

• オデシー興味ないなぁ、、 - not interested in Ody

• オデシー装備盛りすぎてて逆に欲しくならない - Actually, Ody gear is just too much and I don't want to deal with it.

• ニャメ揃えたらあとはＭＬしかやることな・・・ - Only thing after getting Nyame is doing master levels I guess

• ソロには無理や - Not possible solo eh

• RP貯められる上限あげてえ；； - raise the cap for how much RP we can get ;;

• オデシー　面白くないなぁ - Odyssey isn't any fun.

• ​オデシーは格差生みまくってるコンテンツ - Odyssey is content that creates disparity/inequality

• オデシー　面白くないなぁ - Odyssey isn't any fun.

• ムボゼがホント倒せない - Can't take down Mboze.

• オデシー乗り遅れると追い付けん - if you didn't get into Odyssey soon enough it's hard to approach it

• 格差はほんと感じるね - yes, you can really feel a gap... (replying to above comment above disparity)

• オデシー新規が追いつけませんですよ - Newer people can't get into Odyssey

• ジェーエルの敵強い；； - The Geol enemies are strong

The sentiment in chat doesn't necessarily mirrors perfectly the sentiment of all the JP community BUT I guess it's something to think about.

Hopefully they will do something, if not to the newly to be added V25 at least to the previous 20 ranks.
There's so many small & big things they could do about it and it's a shame they haven't been doing anything at all so far.

Just a bunch of ***slingers like you lot.

Take it for what it is; the opinions of people who cared to show up to the anniversary event and be active in chat. Of the other comments I've seen only a few people disliked it. The rest were people who weren't going to bother with it because it's overly complicated.

Supposing it's not just a bunch of whiners but a lot of JP players do share in some form or to some degree those sentiments, then SE will be sorta forced to acknowledge it and do something about it.

Long due, if you ask me.
The higher difficulty levels of V20 only exacerbated further the issues that were within the content from day 1.
V25 will only make that worse.
Furthermore you have to consider the constantly increasing gap between the latest content and people who haven't even started it.
Things like these usually kill any sort of motivation to even try to start it.
Whereas if SE were to do something to ease up the requirements to participate in the content I'm sure a lot of people would start being interested in it.

It does make sense, content isn't new anymore, and with new higher difficulties being released it's pretty common sense to ease up the previous tiers someway, somehow.

Another great interview coming from the new Famitsu featuring XI on the cover, largely about endgame content and recent adjustments. Among many things, Matsui reveals they will be giving access to Foil through MLs. Everyone will ignore this and continue repeating the same ***quality posts as they have for the past two weeks, so carry on.


No doubt many players stuck to their usual communities/Discords while it was going on. It was useless trying to follow chat at the frequency that was occurring. It had as much garbage noise as AH does these days. Stuck to WTF Discord, JP twitter, and randomly posting things here that night myself.

Auto translation of imo most important parts

Master Levels and possibly future job adjustments
New EP camps and Master Levels cap. SJ abilities considered in balancing process
Future battle content difficulty
New battlefields, no new area and why.
Prime weapons
TVR neck rewards and having QA team
About additional storage being said to be impossible in the past, but still happening. Also how they changed loading of inventory
V25 Odyssey
About Shinryu low drop rate
About significantly increasing cap of Ambsucade Armor's upgrade items you can get per month
About making EP easier to acquire
Why they don't want to make buffs for all Trusts, but only tweak specific Trusts
About future in general

I think context matters for some of the things you pasted. I encourage people to just read it for themselves and not lazily expect someone to give them the quick run down.

The part about Exemplar Points sounds a bit... contradictory?
First they say they don't have the slighest intention to release EP campaigns or items or means to ease the gain rate of EP.
Then he says they have intention to use some items in the future.

Wat.
I mean, didn't he just contradict himself with the last sentence? Maybe it's a matter of a bad autotranslation I dunno

I believe he meant they weren't going to change the default rate or the rising TNLs and that they plan on rings or boost items in the future.

I added context. I haven't done that at start because I had no time and kinda wanted people to interpret things on their own, but I guess I might be confused about something myself, so people can now point me that, knowing how I understand it.

You are not the dev giving the answers, sir. Your "added context" here is ***and means nothing. It's still lacking necessary context, especially when it's the output of machine translation.

What the *** is your problem, sir?
I only added context of question or what they are talking about, not context of the meaning they have in answer. You are really trying force people to go read everything for some reason, aren't you? My round down doesn't block anyone to go read everything. Stop being aggressive and mind your own business.

Listening to Spicy drivel for hours on end will do that to a person.

I am tired of this community shoveling half-*** posts and misinformation like this. Your lack of actual context on many of these points will lead to more confusion. Yes, people should just read the damned thing themselves.


Thanks for your on-topic and high quality post that contributes. A+

We literally just had a full page of discussion regarding suspected parroting. I could have paraphrased what was said, but instead I pointed to where to find the source. That way you're not reading my version of what was said, you're reading an actual transcript. Despite that, people are still trying to spin what was actually said...


Either use a link or a full and complete quote, don't paraphrase. We didn't need the cliffnotes, but thank you.

What paraphrases? Those are direct quotes from interview, just using google auto translation. Only words I corrected was names of Escha zones and Reisenjima and Face->Trusts.

The mis/disinformation crisis has even hit FFXI, my God! Can we get some fact checkers up in here? I rate your posts 5 pinocchios and call on the US Federal Government and Home Land Security to intervene.

Simon's post was fine.

It's an auto-translation so that should be taken with a grain of salt, but none of the answers are transformed by the context of the rest of the interview. Read the rest if you're inclined, but that is indeed the gist of what people around here would care about.

As for what I think:

* Their answer for the Shinryu HTBF drop rate is as absurd as the drop rate. The drop rate being so laughably low is what's causing no one to run the HTBF. Increase the droprate by as much as 10x and it'd still be a serious grind, especially for people who can't solo VD, but it would actually incentivize people to do the HTBF rather than waiting for AMAN yells instead. Or, you know, pull a Lilith and actually add an interesting mechanic that adjusts how you approach the fight and engage with its challenges in order to open new slots. Anything would be better.

* If they're really not even considering so much as one new Reisenjima-esque area for the end of TVR, that more than anything else limits my hope for XI's future. New battlefield content is all well and good -- certainly needed -- but I think a major thing that's leading to people's listlessness is just having no new non-battlefield areas to explore or hang out in. One area and the associated content would, at the very least, be a breath of fresh air for people, and get them excited more than whatever battle content they're repurposing in Rakaznar. (God, please don't be as bad as Vagary.)

Nice read aside from those topics.

Their explanation about Shinryu HTBF low drop rate was to be expected. They said "once you get the gear you won't do it anymore", which is true. The sad part is, the drop rate is so terrible, a lot of people just gave up on it anyways so it eventually met the same end.

I'm not going to disagree overall here, because Odyssey is quite exclusionary to people who fall behind. But, I can also see why SE doesn't want to make it easier, given the strength of rewards and their likely aim of keeping it relevant for years. It is eased up in a way for people who start later, as RP goes up exponentially with vengeance level and you can skip ranks if given opportunity to tag along.

If most of the community has V15 cleared, then it becomes reasonably easy to find one person to enter you on V15 and skip V0 to V10 provided you're able to win. If most of the community has V20 cleared, it becomes relatively easy to get someone to enter you on V20 and skip V0 to V15. You also only need one person to enter you for RP itself. The content will become more accessible over time just because of the way it's designed and how easy they made RP farming with amplifiers.

I think they designed it poorly and the difficulty scaling needs work, but not really sure nerf is the correct choice. Unless the depth and breadth of empyrean reforging content far exceeds my expectations, chasing Odyssey is going to be the final battle content for the foreseeable future.

I listened to his most recent podcast episode about the anniversary, and I thought it was HILARIOUS that he kept going on about edgelords inflating their importance in FFXI just to feel good about themselves when he is constantly doing the same thing.

He is also blatantly wrong about a bunch of stuff that he says in his podcasts. Like, just objectively incorrect. Plus I end up skipping through half of them anyways because it's a 4 hour podcast with 45 minutes of actual content.

It was completely expected, since it was the only explanation short of a numerical error, but that doesn't mean it's not a bad thought process that ironically led to the very outcome they sought to avoid: it being dead content.

If the effective drop rate for Shinryu's better items was even comparable to Lilith's, or if the fight had some mechanism to increase it like hers, the HTBF would see a lot more traffic. Who cares if someone is eventually -- after a long grind -- done with the content? That happens with all content. Simply a bad excuse on their part.

The fact that AMAN is a more reliable source of rarer Crepuscular items than Shinryu itself is nothing short of damning.

I think Odyssey in terms of segment farming and Gaol fights are two separate issues.

The Gaol fights, at least for me, are likely accomplishing objectives they wanted out of them. It's forced me to gear at least 3 jobs I probably otherwise wouldn't have, learn them, and play them in a way that (at least for me) hasn't really been common in the past. I do often wonder how the dev team and QA folks beat some of the bosses, though, because some of the strategies seem so niche. The downside, of course, is that this drags out the fights for people without very niche, specific job setups and gear.

The bigger issue IMO is the entrance requirements. You get one KI per day to enter A/B/C, which controls how frequently you can go into Gaol. I've whinged about this incessantly in other posts, but I think they need to do something to allow more people to participate with lower consequences of failure, otherwise players without a regular segment static end up frustrated and there isn't a lot of room for growth/learning. Part of this is because of the way the community sees it, but part is also the way SE has the content setup and how it forces people into such a narrow approach.

All that said, reading the translated interview (provided I read it right), they seem somewhat content with the numbers they are seeing in Gaol. Judging by the number of shouts I see for people selling v20 Bumba (which is the only real metric for who has access I have) compared to people mercing v15 a year ago, it does seem like more people are getting to the upper tiers in Gaol. I see someone new trying to ride that v20 Bumba gil train every few weeks, whereas when v15 was out, it was maybe 2-3 people. Granted, there could be a lot of other reasons for that, but given the only available metric, it shows at least people are clearing the content steadily.

This has always been the point for those of us who complain about Trove droprates and loot pools. I know for me its never been from the angle of "I had to work to get my <insert gear here>, and you just got it for free?" Nope. Its always offended me in a way I had assumed that the developers would be equally offended- that when lottery content is a more reliable source of rewards than the associated content is, that is SE tacitly implying we shouldn't waste our time with that content any more.

At the least, they could have kept Trove drops to older content and not something fairly recent. Or brand new, desirable and exclusive items...

...Which somewhat completely contradicts the application of their statement in Simon's post above, where they said they intentionally set it lower so people WOULDN'T finish the content too quickly and be done with it forever. The fact that people are more likely to sit in town and shout watch for their drop of choice (or just agree to a Trove merc price beforehand with someone) than actually spam the content themselves essentially means the content dies just the same. Even if I buy every drop from Shinryu from a merc, I am still NOT doing the content for the drop, the content still dies the same (to me), lol.

This explanation would have made much more sense if they purposely chose NOT to include Shinryu drops in Trove. Then they could argue "no, go do the content, no freebies".

nailed it.