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High End Sets Advice/Suggestions/Ideas/LUA
Asura.Saevel said: » So the thing about /SAM's 15 Store TP is that it's present during WS, meaning you get more back from the WS, meaning less required to get before the next WS gets fired off. So it's not just +15 during TP but also +15 during WS reducing the amount needed during TP, which is already reduced by the sub. It lets you shove more of <insert other stat we want>. INCREDIBLY true. And oft forgotten when doing the math, so thank you for stating it plainly^^
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: » And oft forgotten when doing the math I often use my own math or own sheets but I don't recall ever forgetting about it. I actually recall completely opposite situation where I argued about Rostam A and B with Afania (i know it's drk thread, but talking in general) and stp during WS was main reason, that let A compete with B even for melee TP/rangedWS.
incredibly sorry for making a generalized comment thanking someone and mentioning my own personal habit as I rarely use spreadsheets to my own detriment.
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I messed around a bit on DRK tonight after being on WAR for nearly the entire time since the update. I took the Calad 6-hit build from the first page, went 5/5 Sakpata then added
ItemSet 378079 *Blank spaces are Sakpata's pieces
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Asura.Friedrik said: » hentai ring <snicker> Asura.Friedrik said: » I messed around a bit on DRK tonight after being on WAR for nearly the entire time since the update. I took the Calad 6-hit build from the first page, went 5/5 Sakpata then added ItemSet 378079 *Blank spaces are Sakpata's pieces If the head does fully augment at +15 DA damage, would Saifi+1 still be better than an Ioskeha+1? Shiva.Humpo said: » If the head does fully augment at +15 DA damage, would Saifi+1 still be better than an Ioskeha+1? If you're 5/5 (16% haste total), then you have to use Sailfi + Do you know something I don't, Friedrik?
Because according to BG Blue Wyvern Cheer is trust haste +5%, and its the Green Wyvern Cheer that has +1% haste for the player. Also, as soon as I got the green cheer I popped out of my garden and tested it, finding that it was classified as magical haste not gear haste. Green is still super good and I use it all the time. Should I start raising a blue wyvern, or did you have the two confused? Asura.Mims said: » Do you know something I don't, Friedrik? Because according to BG Blue Wyvern Cheer is trust haste +5%, and its the Green Wyvern Cheer that has +1% haste for the player. Also, as soon as I got the green cheer I popped out of my garden and tested it, finding that it was classified as magical haste not gear haste. Green is still super good and I use it all the time. Should I start raising a blue wyvern, or did you have the two confused? I am 100% confused, which is actually why I made a blue wyvern first and not a green one. Not sure why I keep making that mistake over and over. Asura.Friedrik said: » If you're 5/5 (16% haste total), then you have to use Sailfi + While I would only end up at 24%, I'm questioning if being 1% shy is really worth it or even needed at all. With capped magic haste and 20% JA (apoc/hasso), I only need another 16.25% to cap. Even less if LR is up, in which case the set alone would let you hit delay cap? BUT!!!! There are certainly a lot of "if" statements to look at and well.. I'd rather not travel down that path right now. I was mostly just curious if 8% DA with +15 DA damage outweighed 5% DA/2% TA w/ the 15 DA damage. Shiva.Humpo said: » Asura.Friedrik said: » If you're 5/5 (16% haste total), then you have to use Sailfi + While I would only end up at 24%, I'm questioning if being 1% shy is really worth it or even needed at all. With capped magic haste and 20% JA (apoc/hasso), I only need another 16.25% to cap. Even less if LR is up, in which case the set alone would let you hit delay cap? BUT!!!! There are certainly a lot of "if" statements to look at and well.. I'd rather not travel down that path right now. I was mostly just curious if 8% DA with +15 DA damage outweighed 5% DA/2% TA w/ the 15 DA damage. Yeah there's a lot to look at for sure Asura.Mims said: » Do you know something I don't, Friedrik? Because according to BG Blue Wyvern Cheer is trust haste +5%, and its the Green Wyvern Cheer that has +1% haste for the player. Also, as soon as I got the green cheer I popped out of my garden and tested it, finding that it was classified as magical haste not gear haste. Green is still super good and I use it all the time. Should I start raising a blue wyvern, or did you have the two confused? That's very good to know, we all thought it was gear haste for so long.
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Yeah, Green Wyvern is magic haste.
To test it I got myself killed and checked the recast on reraise. Its been a bit, but iirc I overcapped gear haste and cast reraise with the cheer off and then again with the cheer on, and then did it again to double check. Consistent difference of one second between tests.
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Asura.Mims said: » Yeah, Green Wyvern is magic haste. Oof, thanks for the legwork on that one. Asura.Mims said: » Yeah, Green Wyvern is magic haste. To test it I got myself killed and checked the recast on reraise. Its been a bit, but iirc I overcapped gear haste and cast reraise with the cheer off and then again with the cheer on, and then did it again to double check. Consistent difference of one second between tests. Maybe its Gear Haste II :D Kinda joking, but wouldnt hurt to make the same test, but also overcap magic haste. Sorry if I missed it.
Thoughts on a Counter Set? It doesn't really take much sacrifice honestly. It might be nice to have for when Dread Spikes is ineffective on certain enemy types. Sakpata's Helm Sacro Breastplate | Counter +15 Sakpata's Gauntlets Sakpata's Cuisses Sakpata's Leggings | Counter +5 Bathy Choker +1 | Counter +10 Ambu Cape | Counter +10 Looks like hitting 40% counter rate is pretty easy. This alone is also at -30% DT, not including rings/other accessories. The magic evasion is also stupid high. Apoc DRK just got very tanky. Meva/mdb was its nemesis before. Now we have a crazy set to build off. Apoc can rock seigan/third eye and lost very little in terms of damage while sitting in capped DT,high def,meva,mdb and HP.
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DRK in general is a lot better. You can use path B father time and pretty close or capped subtle blow depending on what you want to sacrifice and do a lot of what makes MNK good with additional tools like Stun
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Ramuh.Austar said: » DRK in general is a lot better. You can use path B father time and pretty close or capped subtle blow depending on what you want to sacrifice and do a lot of what makes MNK good with additional tools like Stun ItemSet 378105 This might seem like a dumb question So I have Path B Father time and was wondering how do other people utilize it? Are you holding TP for Cross Reapers or just spamming Quietus at 1000tp (Which isn't too shabby to be honest, the damage isn't too far behind Rank 15 Catastrophe for example, and it does self darkness.) I've been using Quietus at 1000tp and Cross Reaper when I overflow to 1750. Quietus doesn't seem to be too far behind R15 Catastrophe in terms of damage. make a skillchain. you can do entropy > cross reaper > quietus easily
there is almost no situation i hold tp on any job.
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Taint said: » Apoc DRK just got very tanky. Meva/mdb was its nemesis before. Now we have a crazy set to build off. Apoc can rock seigan/third eye and lost very little in terms of damage while sitting in capped DT,high def,meva,mdb and HP. It's pretty awesome. Prior to this update I had moved on from WAR/DRK for most DD situations for exactly the reason that debuffs shredded my DPS, while my MNK just powered through. I love that 2 more DDs are now more viable in debuff/magic heavy fights.
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Asura.Friedrik said: » Taint said: » Apoc DRK just got very tanky. Meva/mdb was its nemesis before. Now we have a crazy set to build off. Apoc can rock seigan/third eye and lost very little in terms of damage while sitting in capped DT,high def,meva,mdb and HP. It's pretty awesome. Prior to this update I had moved on from WAR/DRK for most DD situations for exactly the reason that debuffs shredded my DPS, while my MNK just powered through. I love that 2 more DDs are now more viable in debuff/magic heavy fights. Yep 100%. I’ve been MNK almost exclusively for months.
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: » Asura.Nuance said: » If you’re just interested in empyrean situations and riding the AM3 and absolutely don’t care about the stp then yeah sure I guess. You’d still miss out on the hasso haste but LR cool down is t awful I suppose. Wish we could full time it Its not so much that I'm "just interested in empyrean situations"- its more knowing that the DA from /war subjob will be more of a hindrance to a Liberator build even before this gear, and that doesn't change; that Apocalypse can compensate for probably the largest benefit /sam brings in JA Haste. I'm sure if I used my Anguta more there would be a discussion there, as well. Empyreans do stick out though, of course, due to the synergy between a high attack job in DRK, the occasional triple damage proc from Caladbolg/Redemption, the extreme overflow of +PDL on this new set, and the unique DA damage augment to the headpiece all working together to push white damage above weaponskills in importance- and at what point it starts to win. I mean. Do what makes you happy, but for me personally i spend so much time attack capped that warcry and berserk would do nothing for me. /sam4lyf bombsdiggity said: » Leviathan.Celebrindal said: » Asura.Nuance said: » If you’re just interested in empyrean situations and riding the AM3 and absolutely don’t care about the stp then yeah sure I guess. You’d still miss out on the hasso haste but LR cool down is t awful I suppose. Wish we could full time it Its not so much that I'm "just interested in empyrean situations"- its more knowing that the DA from /war subjob will be more of a hindrance to a Liberator build even before this gear, and that doesn't change; that Apocalypse can compensate for probably the largest benefit /sam brings in JA Haste. I'm sure if I used my Anguta more there would be a discussion there, as well. Empyreans do stick out though, of course, due to the synergy between a high attack job in DRK, the occasional triple damage proc from Caladbolg/Redemption, the extreme overflow of +PDL on this new set, and the unique DA damage augment to the headpiece all working together to push white damage above weaponskills in importance- and at what point it starts to win. I mean. Do what makes you happy, but for me personally i spend so much time attack capped that warcry and berserk would do nothing for me. /sam4lyf If attack is capped and you aren't subbing SAM, /DRG is pretty solid isn't it? Idk what situation I'd /drg over /sam though. Sam offers too much to stray for me.
Asura.Tawhoya said: » Idk what situation I'd /drg over /sam though. Sam offers too much to stray for me. Enmity is the biggest problem endgame DRK has unfortunately. DRG helps, but doesn't solve it. Gruknor said: » Enmity shouldn't be a reason to swap subs. WSD would be the only reason I'd consider it, but I still can't see how it overcomes what /sam brings. |
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