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By Asura.Toralin 2017-01-06 18:01:51

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Anyone think the amount of objectives cleared affects mega boss drops? Anyone been able to clear all the mini-objecrtives on 1-2-4?

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By Bismarck.Keityan 2017-01-06 18:04:55

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Odin.Geriond said: »

I just don't understand what we're doing wrong with Thinker; at lower HP, he's literally doing Pain Sync 5+ times in a row, with not enough time between to even swing once, eating up huge amounts of time if you only swing during other TP moves. Without an Idris Geo, the groups I'm in just don't have enough time to kill him with the vast majority of our time spent turned around.

Not even debuff spamming is helping much.

The moment you see painsync deal damage (black cloud under the players appear), you have time for 1 (2 if you're fast) attack rounds before the next TP move. It's probably possible to risk a WS during this time, but I've been avoiding it in case there is a lag issue.

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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2017-01-06 18:34:05

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Pain Sync 5+ times

Drop some Impacts on dat sh*t

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By Odin.Llewelyn 2017-01-06 19:01:47

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Asura.Toralin said: »

Anyone been able to clear all the mini-objecrtives on 1-2-4?

We've done it once. Nothing special happened except getting a treasure chest room after Caturae boss (and 4 cards!).

Bismarck.Keityan said: »

It's probably possible to risk a WS during this time, but I've been avoiding it in case there is a lag issue.

<25% Thinker isn't too hard to get a safe 4=step Radiance off on SAM with Meditate up, really.

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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-06 19:45:22

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Asura.Fiasko said: »

What's your set up if you are only listing 1 GEO as the only support?

We do

RUN/DRK
WHM
BRD
GEO
WAR / DRK (me)
DRK/WAR/ect (other DD)

I switch to Sword + Shield and do Savage Blade whenever he's reading a TP move that isn't Pain Sync, Savage's usually do 30K+. The reason I switch to Sword and board is that my Auto-Attack damage isn't so bad that it instantly one shots everyone in case lag cause's me to do an attack round before the PS animation becomes visible. Melee hits are only like 500~600 and crits about ~1K so it's survivable with a -DT set. Also above 50% HP you need to actively feed it TP because it's regain is really slow and only WS's at 3000TP but under 50% it starts to speed up and then under 25% it's non-stop back to back.

For mage setups we just bury it in debuffs, recently was.

RUN (Rua our tank)
RDM (me)
GEO (Inu)
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RNG
SMN

Inu would toss Impact on while I kept Dia III, Addle II, Distract III, Frazzle III, Blind, Slow II, Paralyze II, and Poison III. It's WoP only removed 1~2 debuffs so you can just keep them on and while it can still do PS, it will do them less frequently. If it has 3 or more debuffs it likes to use WoP.

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By Asura.Inuyushi 2017-01-06 20:24:55

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Asura.Saevel said: »

I switch to Sword + Shield and do Savage Blade whenever he's reading a TP move that isn't Pain Sync, Savage's usually do 30K+. The reason I switch to Sword and board is that my Auto-Attack damage isn't so bad that it instantly one shots everyone in case lag cause's me to do an attack round before the PS animation becomes visible. Melee hits are only like 500~600 and crits about ~1K so it's survivable with a -DT set. Also above 50% HP you need to actively feed it TP because it's regain is really slow and only WS's at 3000TP but under 50% it starts to speed up and then under 25% it's non-stop back to back.

Do note that they use the Reikekon (sp) sword with the Regain on it so they get TP while turned around. The Savage blade technique does work beautifully.

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By Bismarck.Keityan 2017-01-06 21:52:38

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Odin.Llewelyn said: »

<25% Thinker isn't too hard to get a safe 4=step Radiance off on SAM with Meditate up, really.

In between back to back pain syncs? I'd like to see that. (I realize with yaeg, it is, and maybe after a non painsync WS, but normally?)

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By Bismarck.Ihina 2017-01-06 21:58:26

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Keep it debuffed. The frequency of pain sync goes way down. I've never seen it used back to back ever since I started spamming debuffs on it.

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By Odin.Llewelyn 2017-01-06 22:12:55

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20:30:38Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 17892 points of damage.
20:30:38Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 937 points of damage.
20:30:38Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 986 points of damage.
20:30:38The Glassy Thinker is paralyzed.
20:30:39The Glassy Thinker readies Trinary Absorption.
20:30:40Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 849 points of damage.
20:30:41Llewelyn's Stoneskin effect wears off.
20:30:41Llewelyn readies Tachi: Kasha.
20:30:41Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 938 points of damage.
20:30:41TP Return: [523]
20:30:43Neimii starts casting Cure IV on Llewelyn.
20:30:43Llewelyn uses Tachi: Kasha.The Glassy Thinker takes 18080 points of damage.
20:30:43Neimii casts Cure IV.Llewelyn recovers 115 HP.
20:30:43Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 974 points of damage.
20:30:44The Glassy Thinker uses Trinary Absorption.173 HP drained from Llewelyn.
20:30:45Llewelyn readies Tachi: Shoha.
20:30:45Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
20:30:45Progress: 90/200.
20:30:45The Glassy Thinker readies Winds of Promyvion.
20:30:46Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 1040 points of damage.
20:30:46TP Return: [234]
20:30:46Skillchain: Fusion.The Glassy Thinker takes 8684 points of damage.
20:30:49Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 634 points of damage.
20:30:49Llewelyn uses Tachi: Shoha.The Glassy Thinker takes 17045 points of damage.
20:30:50The Glassy Thinker uses Winds of Promyvion.The Glassy Thinker's slow effect disappears!
20:30:50Llewelyn readies Tachi: Fudo.
20:30:51Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 764 points of damage.
20:30:51Llewelyn's Aftermath: Lv.1 effect wears off.
20:30:51The Glassy Thinker misses Llewelyn.
20:30:51TP Return: [215]
20:30:51(Jezebellee) Dia3

20:30:51The Glassy Thinker readies Winds of Promyvion.
20:30:51Jezebellee starts casting Dia III on the Glassy Thinker.
20:30:53Skillchain: Light.The Glassy Thinker takes 26695 points of damage.
20:30:54Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 16819 points of damage.
20:30:54Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 884 points of damage.
20:30:55Jezebellee starts casting Slow II on the Glassy Thinker.
20:30:55The Glassy Thinker uses Winds of Promyvion.The Glassy Thinker's Threnody effect disappears!
20:30:55Llewelyn does not have enough TP.
20:30:55Unable to use weapon skill.
20:30:56Jezebellee casts Slow II.The Glassy Thinker is slowed.
20:30:56The Glassy Thinker readies Pain Sync.
20:30:56Obey... Follow the light...
20:30:56Vanquish the Glassy Thinker.
20:30:56Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1468 points of damage.
20:30:57Skillchain: Radiance.The Glassy Thinker takes 33484 points of damage.

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18:29:49Llewelyn readies Tachi: Fudo.
18:29:49Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1376 points of damage.
18:29:50Llewelyn's Hagakure effect wears off.
18:29:50TP Return: [400]
18:29:50Kaelynn was defeated by the Glassy Thinker.
18:29:51The Glassy Thinker readies Pain Sync.
18:29:53Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 824 points of damage.
18:29:53Llewelyn's Minuet effect wears off.
18:29:53Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 35042 points of damage.
18:29:53Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
18:29:55Llewelyn's Madrigal effect wears off.
18:29:55Neimii starts casting Cure IV on Llewelyn.
18:29:56Llewelyn's Stoneskin effect wears off.
18:29:58The Glassy Thinker uses Pain Sync.Llewelyn takes 353 points of damage.
18:29:59{Sylvie} Did you ever notice how silky smooth Wescolina's skin is? She's got to be infusing it with some kind of geomantic magic.
18:30:00The Glassy Thinker scores a critical hit!Llewelyn takes 212 points of damage.
18:30:00Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:00The Glassy Thinker readies Asuran Fists.
18:30:01Neimii casts Cure IV.Llewelyn recovers 377 HP.
18:30:01Neimii starts casting Cure VI on Stani.
18:30:02Neimii casts Cure VI.Stani recovers 1769 HP.
18:30:02Kaelynn starts casting Blade Madrigal on Kaelynn.
18:30:04The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 51 points of damage.
18:30:06The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 112 points of damage.
18:30:07Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:07Neimii starts casting Cure V on Llewelyn.
18:30:07Neimii casts Cure V.Llewelyn recovers 728 HP.
18:30:08Kaelynn casts Blade Madrigal.Kaelynn gains the effect of Madrigal.
18:30:08Llewelyn gains the effect of Madrigal.
18:30:08Stani gains the effect of Madrigal.
18:30:09The Glassy Thinker readies Winds of Promyvion.
18:30:10Kaelynn starts casting Valor Minuet V on Kaelynn.
18:30:10Time left: (0:00:22)
18:30:10Unable to use job ability.
18:30:12Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 481 points of damage.
18:30:12Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
18:30:12Progress: 120/200.
18:30:12Llewelyn readies Tachi: Shoha.
18:30:13The Glassy Thinker uses Winds of Promyvion.The Glassy Thinker's Dia effect disappears!
18:30:13The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 0 points of damage.
18:30:13Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 662 points of damage.
18:30:13Jezebellee starts casting Distract III on the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:13TP Return: [234]
18:30:13Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 602 points of damage.
18:30:13The Glassy Thinker readies Trinary Absorption.
18:30:15Kaelynn casts Valor Minuet V.Kaelynn gains the effect of Minuet.
18:30:15Jezebellee gains the effect of Minuet.
18:30:15Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:15Llewelyn gains the effect of Minuet.
18:30:15Neimii gains the effect of Minuet.
18:30:15Stani gains the effect of Minuet.
18:30:15Jezebellee casts Distract III.The Glassy Thinker is afflicted with Evasion Down.
18:30:16Obey... Follow the light...
18:30:16Vanquish the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:17Llewelyn uses Tachi: Shoha.The Glassy Thinker takes 18848 points of damage.
18:30:17Llewelyn misses the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:17Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 543 points of damage.
18:30:18The Glassy Thinker uses Trinary Absorption.0 HP drained from Llewelyn.
18:30:19Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 611 points of damage.
18:30:19Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 590 points of damage.
18:30:19The Glassy Thinker readies Winds of Promyvion.
18:30:21Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:21Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1086 points of damage.
18:30:22Kaelynn starts casting Sentinel's Scherzo on Kaelynn.
18:30:22Llewelyn readies Tachi: Fudo.
18:30:22Llewelyn's Aftermath: Lv.3 effect wears off.
18:30:22TP Return: [215]
18:30:23AM3: [OFF]
18:30:23Llewelyn's Stoneskin effect wears off.
18:30:23The Glassy Thinker uses Winds of Promyvion.The Glassy Thinker's Elegy effect disappears!
18:30:24(Jezebellee) Dia3

18:30:24Jezebellee starts casting Dia III on the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:24The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 75 points of damage.
18:30:24The Glassy Thinker readies Negative Whirl.
18:30:25Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 1003 points of damage.
18:30:26Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 15651 points of damage.
18:30:26Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:26Kaelynn casts Sentinel's Scherzo.Kaelynn gains the effect of Scherzo.
18:30:26Llewelyn gains the effect of Scherzo.
18:30:26Jezebellee gains the effect of Scherzo.
18:30:26Neimii gains the effect of Scherzo.
18:30:26Stani gains the effect of Scherzo.
18:30:27Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
18:30:27Progress: 130/200.
18:30:27Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 910 points of damage.
18:30:28The Glassy Thinker uses Negative Whirl.Llewelyn takes 396 points of damage.
18:30:28Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:28Jezebellee starts casting Distract III on the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:29Jezebellee casts Distract III.The Glassy Thinker is afflicted with Evasion Down.
18:30:29Kaelynn was defeated by the Glassy Thinker.
18:30:29Skillchain: Radiance.The Glassy Thinker takes 20094 points of damage.

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16:54:56Llewelyn readies Tachi: Fudo.
16:54:57Obey... Follow the light...
16:54:57Vanquish the Glassy Thinker.
16:54:57TP Return: [207]
16:54:58The Glassy Thinker uses Winds of Promyvion.The Glassy Thinker's slow effect disappears!
16:54:59Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 1037 points of damage.
16:55:00Jezebellee starts casting Slow II on the Glassy Thinker.
16:55:00Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 31311 points of damage.
16:55:00Jezebellee casts Slow II.The Glassy Thinker is slowed.
16:55:00Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 976 points of damage.
16:55:01The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 156 points of damage.
16:55:02The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 131 points of damage.
16:55:02The Glassy Thinker readies Asuran Fists.
16:55:03Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1328 points of damage.
16:55:03Kaelynn starts casting Carnage Elegy on the Glassy Thinker.
16:55:04Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
16:55:04The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 138 points of damage.
16:55:05Llewelyn readies Tachi: Kasha.
16:55:05Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 939 points of damage.
16:55:05Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
16:55:05Progress: 110/200.
16:55:05TP Return: [207]
16:55:05Neimii starts casting Cure IV on Llewelyn.
16:55:06Neimii casts Cure IV.Llewelyn recovers 439 HP.
16:55:06Kaelynn casts Carnage Elegy.The Glassy Thinker receives the effect of Elegy.
16:55:07Llewelyn uses Tachi: Kasha.The Glassy Thinker takes 14715 points of damage.
16:55:07The Glassy Thinker readies Winds of Promyvion.
16:55:07Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 985 points of damage.
16:55:07Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 856 points of damage.
16:55:10Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 762 points of damage.
16:55:10Skillchain: Fusion.The Glassy Thinker takes 7085 points of damage.
16:55:10Llewelyn readies Tachi: Shoha.
16:55:11TP Return: [216]
16:55:11Jezebellee starts casting Distract III on the Glassy Thinker.
16:55:12The Glassy Thinker uses Winds of Promyvion.The Glassy Thinker's Evasion Down effect disappears!
16:55:12Jezebellee casts Distract III.The Glassy Thinker is afflicted with Evasion Down.
16:55:12The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 0 points of damage.
16:55:13Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 798 points of damage.
16:55:13Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 784 points of damage.
16:55:15Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1074 points of damage.
16:55:15Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 780 points of damage.
16:55:15Llewelyn uses Tachi: Shoha.The Glassy Thinker takes 12461 points of damage.
16:55:15(Jezebellee) Dia3

16:55:15Jezebellee starts casting Dia III on the Glassy Thinker.
16:55:16Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
16:55:16Progress: 120/200.
16:55:16Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 1020 points of damage.
16:55:17The Glassy Thinker readies Trinary Absorption.
16:55:17The Glassy Thinker is paralyzed.
16:55:18Llewelyn's Stoneskin effect wears off.
16:55:18Llewelyn readies Tachi: Fudo.
16:55:18Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1333 points of damage.
16:55:18Skillchain: Light.The Glassy Thinker takes 17117 points of damage.
16:55:18Llewelyn's Aftermath: Lv.1 effect wears off.
16:55:19TP Return: [207]
16:55:20Kaelynn starts casting Foe Requiem VII on the Glassy Thinker.
16:55:21The Glassy Thinker uses Trinary Absorption.281 HP drained from Llewelyn.
16:55:22Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 827 points of damage.
16:55:22Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 28113 points of damage.
16:55:23The Glassy Thinker readies Winds of Promyvion.
16:55:23Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1272 points of damage.
16:55:25Unable to see the Glassy Thinker.
16:55:26Skillchain: Radiance.The Glassy Thinker takes 55897 points of damage.

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15:28:34Llewelyn readies Tachi: Fudo.
15:28:34Llewelyn misses the Glassy Thinker.
15:28:34Llewelyn's Sekkanoki effect wears off.
15:28:34TP Return: [2204]
15:28:37Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
15:28:37Progress: 80/200.
15:28:37Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 845 points of damage.
15:28:37Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 819 points of damage.
15:28:37Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 27457 points of damage.
15:28:38The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 87 points of damage.
15:28:38Llewelyn readies Tachi: Kasha.
15:28:38TP Return: [204]
15:28:40Llewelyn uses Tachi: Kasha.The Glassy Thinker takes 17472 points of damage.
15:28:40Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 892 points of damage.
15:28:42The Glassy Thinker readies Asuran Fists.
15:28:43Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 901 points of damage.
15:28:43Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 1007 points of damage.
15:28:44The Glassy Thinker hits Llewelyn for 89 points of damage.
15:28:44Skillchain: Fusion.The Glassy Thinker takes 8395 points of damage.
15:28:44Llewelyn readies Tachi: Shoha.
15:28:45Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 823 points of damage.
15:28:45TP Return: [221]
15:28:47Neimii starts casting Cure IV on Llewelyn.
15:28:47Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
15:28:47Progress: 90/200.
15:28:47Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 827 points of damage.
15:28:48Neimii casts Cure IV.Llewelyn recovers 216 HP.
15:28:49The Glassy Thinker is paralyzed.
15:28:49Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 862 points of damage.
15:28:49Llewelyn scores a critical hit!The Glassy Thinker takes 1243 points of damage.
15:28:49Llewelyn uses Tachi: Shoha.The Glassy Thinker takes 16961 points of damage.
15:28:51Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 860 points of damage.
15:28:51The Glassy Thinker readies Stygian Vapor.
15:28:52Llewelyn readies Tachi: Fudo.
15:28:52Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 862 points of damage.
15:28:52Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 1044 points of damage.
15:28:52Skillchain: Light.The Glassy Thinker takes 24150 points of damage.
15:28:53Llewelyn's Aftermath: Lv.1 effect wears off.
15:28:53TP Return: [204]
15:28:53Obey... Follow the light...
15:28:53Vanquish the Glassy Thinker.
15:28:55Neimii starts casting Viruna on Llewelyn.
15:28:55The Glassy Thinker uses Stygian Vapor, but misses Llewelyn.
15:28:56Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 1018 points of damage.
15:28:56Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 962 points of damage.
15:28:56Llewelyn uses Tachi: Fudo.The Glassy Thinker takes 24386 points of damage.
15:28:58Records of Eminence: Deal 500+ Damage.
15:28:58Progress: 100/200.
15:28:58Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 889 points of damage.
15:28:58Llewelyn hits the Glassy Thinker for 934 points of damage.
15:28:58The Glassy Thinker is paralyzed.
15:28:59Neimii's Viruna has no effect on Llewelyn.
15:29:00Skillchain: Radiance.The Glassy Thinker takes 48501 points of damage.

Have more, but you get the idea. Only one of those had him attempt to Pain Sync in the middle of the Skillchain, but yeah. It's not hard to Radiance Thinker under 25% HP on SAM with Meditate.

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By Bismarck.Keityan 2017-01-06 22:15:20

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Oh, that's what you mean. Yeah, that's not too bad. I thought you were saying that you can do a 4 step inbetween back to back pain syncs (which is what the original question I was referring to, as in what to do with painsync->painsync during spam time <30%.)

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By Sabishii 2017-01-06 22:59:56

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Did a fight with Fu where an unfortunate series of events caused us to wipe at 75%. He full recovered. When we recovered, and went back in to engage and try and kill him. When we engaged, he was enraged, spamming his full dispel move, draw-ins, and his damaging moves (claws, blizzaga IV, etc.) Is it possible that you can't wipe and recover? Or did we just wipe at a wrong point in time that makes his AI act funny?

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By Asura.Echandra 2017-01-06 23:04:50

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In reference to the pain sync spam. If you hit the mob right after it does Pain sync before it has anything else done to it (enfeebs, etc.) then it can insta-TP and will just keep spamming pain sync. The solution is...do nothing.

To me, the whole concept behind thinker is to just get out of the dog pile kill as fast as possible gotta have amazing numbers win the parse DPS zerg mode. Waiting 4 to 5 seconds and not doing damage vs wipega, rinse and repeat. Or....work it down, use an alex smn to PD your DD/conduit spam and hope you kill it before PD hits the gradual wear point that pain sync splats you.

I have to say, I am enjoying Omen. It's amusing to see mobs like this have gimmicks that work against the norm that everyone is programmed to do.

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By Sylph.Braden 2017-01-06 23:26:18

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Sabishii said: »

Did a fight with Fu where an unfortunate series of events caused us to wipe at 75%. He full recovered. When we recovered, and went back in to engage and try and kill him. When we engaged, he was enraged, spamming his full dispel move, draw-ins, and his damaging moves (claws, blizzaga IV, etc.) Is it possible that you can't wipe and recover? Or did we just wipe at a wrong point in time that makes his AI act funny?

It's possible his rage duration is either based off of buffs remaining or a timer that pauses when he's idle, but I haven't paid enough attention to it. Seems like you guys got him down to just before his 2nd usage at 75%, then pushed him over soon after restarting and got more of the same.

We've held him with Dia on a full wipe and Vex+Wilt on a partial wipe. If you do Dia, note that he doesn't alliance aggro or anything, but does aggro around... 15'? Might be 10', I forget. You won't have to have people drop party or anything like with Escha/Unity fights though.

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By Carbuncle.Rajang 2017-01-06 23:29:18

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I get behind Fu on RUN before grabbing hate when we start the fight, so all of my buffs get stolen but nobody else. I have maybe a bit over two full rows of stuff taken off of me, but that has been more than plenty for it to take extra damage. It seems like you can avoid the draw-in if the person with hate doesn't run off too quickly and stays in Fu's attack range. We've been successfully killing it as RUN GEO WHM COR SMN +anything, but we limit the number of buffs stolen by just having me on RUN in range.

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By Fenrir.Snaps 2017-01-07 00:02:21

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I'm somewhat skeptical of the absorb mechanic listed for Gin. Here's some trimmed excerpt from the fight we did today.

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21:59:33Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37593 points of damage.
21:59:41Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 40016 points of damage.
21:59:51Skillchain: Light.Gin takes 55659 points of damage.
22:00:34Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 34155 points of damage.
22:00:41Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37352 points of damage.
22:00:48Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 29126 points of damage.
22:01:00Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37384 points of damage.
22:01:11Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37094 points of damage.
22:01:20Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 39959 points of damage.
22:01:29Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 29438 points of damage.
22:01:38Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 42195 points of damage.
22:01:45Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 52672 points of damage.
22:02:13Skillchain: Darkness.Gin recovers 33608 hit points!
22:02:22Skillchain: Darkness.Gin recovers 34970 hit points!
22:02:38Skillchain: Light.Gin takes 19821 points of damage.
22:03:01Skillchain: Darkness.Gin recovers 19143 hit points!
22:03:11Skillchain: Light.Gin takes 14409 points of damage.

Some of these seem well within 10 seconds of each other, and the first skillchain that healed it was a very long time from the last skillchain. What I've noticed is that sometimes Darkness consistently heals it and sometimes Light consistently heals it. Not sure outside of that.

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By Sylph.Oraen 2017-01-07 00:07:51

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I really don't know what causes the change, but that's what we've seen, too. He also takes drastically increased damage from the opposite element. I don't know if that applies to only SC damage or all magic damage, as we've only done Gin with melees.

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By Siren.Kyte 2017-01-07 00:09:32

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Yeah, what's listed on the wiki page is definitely BS from what I've seen as well- I don't usually observe it absorbing anything until ~50% HP. I think I've even observed it seemingly absorbing both (i.e. a Light SC and a Dark SC right after each other), but don't quote me on that.

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By Sylph.Oraen 2017-01-07 02:24:31

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I've seen something similar, but not with SC damage specifically. I always keep Lux runes up while tanking, and it seems that when he gets low on HP (~25%), he can heal from both. Our DNC did a big darkness to heal him while I was also healing him from Lux auto-attacks. Earlier in the fight, it would only be one or the other.

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By Siren.Kyte 2017-01-07 02:51:50

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I wouldn't be surprised if the mechanic is just "Heals from one or the other from 50%-->25%, heals from both 25%-->0".

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By Shiva.Zykei 2017-01-07 02:56:08

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That's what my group experienced as well. We alternate Light and Dark SC for the first 75% and swapped to Distortion for the last 25%. Can also check for what he's absorbing by having your GEO cast on it (Dia II/Bio etc).

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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2017-01-07 04:14:16

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Odin.Geriond said: »

We generally run with PLD DRK WAR BRD GEO WHM.

Switch the Drk or War with a master smn, it will help.

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By Zephin 2017-01-07 09:08:58

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Fenrir.Snaps said: »

I'm somewhat skeptical of the absorb mechanic listed for Gin. Here's some trimmed excerpt from the fight we did today.

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21:59:33Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37593 points of damage.
21:59:41Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 40016 points of damage.
21:59:51Skillchain: Light.Gin takes 55659 points of damage.
22:00:34Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 34155 points of damage.
22:00:41Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37352 points of damage.
22:00:48Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 29126 points of damage.
22:01:00Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37384 points of damage.
22:01:11Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 37094 points of damage.
22:01:20Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 39959 points of damage.
22:01:29Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 29438 points of damage.
22:01:38Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 42195 points of damage.
22:01:45Skillchain: Darkness.Gin takes 52672 points of damage.
22:02:13Skillchain: Darkness.Gin recovers 33608 hit points!
22:02:22Skillchain: Darkness.Gin recovers 34970 hit points!
22:02:38Skillchain: Light.Gin takes 19821 points of damage.
22:03:01Skillchain: Darkness.Gin recovers 19143 hit points!
22:03:11Skillchain: Light.Gin takes 14409 points of damage.

Some of these seem well within 10 seconds of each other, and the first skillchain that healed it was a very long time from the last skillchain. What I've noticed is that sometimes Darkness consistently heals it and sometimes Light consistently heals it. Not sure outside of that.

From what we've seen, Light 100-50% dmgs it, darkness 50-10%, then usually 10-0% we just don't SC, but we have had darkness/light do dmg <10%. Usually someone casts, dia or bio, to check what we SC to it.

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By Fenrir.Snaps 2017-01-07 09:19:15

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Well, that's all of the skillchains we did for the entire fight. Maybe it changes elemental affinity after every Zero Hour?

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By Zephin 2017-01-07 09:34:41

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Fenrir.Snaps said: »

Well, that's all of the skillchains we did for the entire fight. Maybe it changes elemental affinity after every Zero Hour?

Would make sense. Guess we just get lucky going 75-50% that it stays light.

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By Asura.Ramsy 2017-01-07 14:55:49

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Just got done tanking craver on pld and found ochain to be helpful. view sync/carousel together were doing atleast 200 dmg+ each while using aegis. Switched over to ochain and noticed that the damage fell to about 44-90 for each of the tp moves after. Also a few times both view sync/carousel missed.

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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2017-01-08 16:16:49

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Random fact:

You can indeed CFH final bosses and make 5 people into your eternal arch enemies.

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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2017-01-09 08:36:52

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Sylph.Shadowlina said: »

Oh Fun factoid:
The Final Bosses are named after Shogi Pieces.
銀將/Gin: Silver General
金將/Kin: Gold General
香車/Kyou: Lance
歩兵/Fu: Pawn
桂馬/Kei: Knight.

I'm not 100% certain, but I think the Japanese are referring to their intended boss by these names in their shouts. Saw a guy shouting for Omen and there was something about "gold ru-to", which I assume meant gold route, or Kin.

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By Fenrir.Sathicus 2017-01-09 09:18:21

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Also fun fact:

You can charm Transcended mobs. Found this out last night with ability objective and CB timer @1min.

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By Asura.Toralin 2017-01-10 08:20:23

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Floor 1/2
Follow the light and carry out your charge before time runs out.You have 180 seconds remaining.

Floor 4
Follow the light and carry out your charge before time runs out.You have 300 seconds remaining.

You find a hope crystal on the Glassy Craver.
You find a bolt of moonbow cloth on Kyou.

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By Asura.Sechs 2017-01-10 09:25:46

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Hope the new mats dropping will be in ADDITION to the old drops and not IN PLACE, because otherwise farming those accessories just got more annoying folks.

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