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 Fenrir.Snaps
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-21 13:29:17  
Asura.Avallon said: »
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Regardless, NINs make that NM is a weak biotch - Migwargi ftw!!!

The thing about this is you can't really plan your strategy around any of the specific mid bosses alone since it's completely random. You can take NIN but you might not even get the Thinker. Can NIN survive the damage from the other Promyvion NM's? What about the mega bosses? Can NIN viably tank those? (Serious question, btw)

I've done every mid-boss as ninja and have done Kyou with 4 people. I think it is viable for most of the other bosses as well. That said, I don't think it's necessarily the best job selection for every boss or even the midboss. BRD + SMN seem much simpler for Glassy Thinker. It's not necessarily foolproof though, you only need to do 35k damage while it's readying Pain Sync to be in risky territory even with Earthen Armor + Scherzo.
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By Asura.Avallon 2016-12-21 13:29:41  
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Yea, I just wanted to make sure my pain doesn't happen with someone else. Please spread the word.
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Let it be known, that if you click the light and teleport out before the loot has a chance to drop. No one gets it.

In all honesty, the current lot system with Omen should be changed imo. As I previously mentioned, the same happened to me. What if the group fighting the main boss defeats it with 20 seconds left on the clock? Everyone has at best 10-15 seconds to lot/pass before being automatically booted from the dungeon. This is assuming the group even discussed beforehand the disposition of the drops. I couldn't imagine such a scenario in a PUG group.

I get that the 'lobby' area (the zone with the Omen entrance) is a separate area, but at least have it so the time you get to lot the items is separate from the time you get to clear the content proper.
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2016-12-21 13:34:27  
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We beat Kyou yesterday as GEO (Idris), RUN, DRK (RMEA AG), WHM, RNG, COR. We tried to avoid his special move at 25% with the RUN 1hr's, but they wore before we could get it to 25%. The RUN had no problem tanking otherwise. If I had my dream setup, I would go with: GEO, GEO, DD, DD, COR, WHM and gather in front of the mob with a bubble every 25% to avoid deaths.

For bubbles in the run I had to do Torpor/Vex so the COR and RNG could consistantly hit him. This considerably hurt our damage output after 75%. You can see in the video for the first 25% I used BoG Frailty/Indi-Torpor and the DRK was pulling 20k WS, but the WHM was having trouble keeping curse off the melees and topped off. So I had to switch to Vex/Frailty. Then around 70% the melee couldn't hit, so I dropped Frailty for Torpor. This put WS damage down to 3~6k. With two GEOs you could do Frailty/Fury/Torpor/Vex and allow two DDs to wreck it. A DD RUN or NIN might work good in place of one of the DDs if your DDs are concerned about tanking. Or replace the COR with a tank.

Enjoy the video. All credit to Asura.Bloodlusty.

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By Asura.Saevel 2016-12-21 14:10:14  
Asura.Avallon said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Odin.Sneakky said: »
Yea, I just wanted to make sure my pain doesn't happen with someone else. Please spread the word.
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Let it be known, that if you click the light and teleport out before the loot has a chance to drop. No one gets it.

In all honesty, the current lot system with Omen should be changed imo. As I previously mentioned, the same happened to me. What if the group fighting the main boss defeats it with 20 seconds left on the clock? Everyone has at best 10-15 seconds to lot/pass before being automatically booted from the dungeon. This is assuming the group even discussed beforehand the disposition of the drops. I couldn't imagine such a scenario in a PUG group.

I get that the 'lobby' area (the zone with the Omen entrance) is a separate area, but at least have it so the time you get to lot the items is separate from the time you get to clear the content proper.

They should just give a 5min time extensions upon boss completion. Not like players can just up another floor or anything.
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By Asura.Avallon 2016-12-21 14:18:15  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Odin.Sneakky said: »
Yea, I just wanted to make sure my pain doesn't happen with someone else. Please spread the word.
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Let it be known, that if you click the light and teleport out before the loot has a chance to drop. No one gets it.

In all honesty, the current lot system with Omen should be changed imo. As I previously mentioned, the same happened to me. What if the group fighting the main boss defeats it with 20 seconds left on the clock? Everyone has at best 10-15 seconds to lot/pass before being automatically booted from the dungeon. This is assuming the group even discussed beforehand the disposition of the drops. I couldn't imagine such a scenario in a PUG group.

I get that the 'lobby' area (the zone with the Omen entrance) is a separate area, but at least have it so the time you get to lot the items is separate from the time you get to clear the content proper.

They should just give a 5min time extensions upon boss completion. Not like players can just up another floor or anything.

Yep exactly. Even something like that would help.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-12-21 14:18:30  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Odin.Sneakky said: »
Yea, I just wanted to make sure my pain doesn't happen with someone else. Please spread the word.
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Let it be known, that if you click the light and teleport out before the loot has a chance to drop. No one gets it.

In all honesty, the current lot system with Omen should be changed imo. As I previously mentioned, the same happened to me. What if the group fighting the main boss defeats it with 20 seconds left on the clock? Everyone has at best 10-15 seconds to lot/pass before being automatically booted from the dungeon. This is assuming the group even discussed beforehand the disposition of the drops. I couldn't imagine such a scenario in a PUG group.

I get that the 'lobby' area (the zone with the Omen entrance) is a separate area, but at least have it so the time you get to lot the items is separate from the time you get to clear the content proper.

They should just give a 5min time extensions upon boss completion. Not like players can just up another floor or anything.

Technically there can be a floor after the boss.
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2016-12-21 14:36:10  
Asura.Avallon said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Odin.Sneakky said: »
Yea, I just wanted to make sure my pain doesn't happen with someone else. Please spread the word.
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Let it be known, that if you click the light and teleport out before the loot has a chance to drop. No one gets it.

In all honesty, the current lot system with Omen should be changed imo. As I previously mentioned, the same happened to me. What if the group fighting the main boss defeats it with 20 seconds left on the clock? Everyone has at best 10-15 seconds to lot/pass before being automatically booted from the dungeon. This is assuming the group even discussed beforehand the disposition of the drops. I couldn't imagine such a scenario in a PUG group.

I get that the 'lobby' area (the zone with the Omen entrance) is a separate area, but at least have it so the time you get to lot the items is separate from the time you get to clear the content proper.

Yep. Living testament to this. Lost Utu's Grip on day 1 clearing him with 10 seconds left and a dead body. A minute or two extension would be enough. I can understand 5 on the chance everyone dead wants a chance at an item and for some reason you have no raises.
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By Asura.Avallon 2016-12-21 15:00:24  
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Odin.Sneakky said: »
Yea, I just wanted to make sure my pain doesn't happen with someone else. Please spread the word.
Deleted Post said:
Let it be known, that if you click the light and teleport out before the loot has a chance to drop. No one gets it.

In all honesty, the current lot system with Omen should be changed imo. As I previously mentioned, the same happened to me. What if the group fighting the main boss defeats it with 20 seconds left on the clock? Everyone has at best 10-15 seconds to lot/pass before being automatically booted from the dungeon. This is assuming the group even discussed beforehand the disposition of the drops. I couldn't imagine such a scenario in a PUG group.

I get that the 'lobby' area (the zone with the Omen entrance) is a separate area, but at least have it so the time you get to lot the items is separate from the time you get to clear the content proper.

Yep. Living testament to this. Lost Utu's Grip on day 1 clearing him with 10 seconds left and a dead body. A minute or two extension would be enough. I can understand 5 on the chance everyone dead wants a chance at an item and for some reason you have no raises.

That really sucks, dude. Sorry to hear that happened to you also.
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2016-12-21 15:02:41  
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Omen (2016/12/21)

We thank the players for their feedback on the new battle content. We will be lengthening the time allowed for players to finish goals per your feedback. We’ll work to bring this update to you as quickly as we can, so we hope players can stay patient until then.

Taken from BGs DevTracker topic
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By Asura.Avallon 2016-12-21 15:05:38  
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Omen (2016/12/21)

We thank the players for their feedback on the new battle content. We will be lengthening the time allowed for players to finish goals per your feedback. We’ll work to bring this update to you as quickly as we can, so we hope players can stay patient until then.

Taken from BGs DevTracker topic

Awesome! I'm glad to see action being taken on this. Cheers to no more lost items!

(Hey SE, while you're at it, do you mind increasing the drop rate on the bodies? Thanks!)
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-21 15:08:19  
I don't think that has anything to do with time after clearing a boss, rather the objectives will receive more time to complete. So lost items are still a potential issue.
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By Bismarck.Kuroganashi 2016-12-21 15:43:58  
lower the recast on getting new KI from 20 hrs ~> 12 be sweet :D

or even better, 8 hrs so makes possible to do 2-3 runs / day ^^
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2016-12-21 15:45:09  
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"Yes you put your alarm clock at 4AM to get a 2nd KI or you out of the static !"
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By Asura.Avallon 2016-12-21 15:49:46  
Bahamut.Tychefm said: »
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20 hrs ~> 12 be sweet

"Yes you put your alarm clock at 4AM to get a 2nd KI or you out of the static !"

The last time I had to wake up at 4:00AM for FFXI was during the HNMLS days when we were fiercely camping Tiamat (and other HNM's).

No thanks!
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By Sylph.Oraen 2016-12-21 15:56:10  
A good idea for the KI issues, even if they do not lower or remove the timegate, would be an Assault tags system. Allow us to automatically stock up on canteens, up to four or five or what have you. That way we could set aside specific days for runs rather than needing to set things up every day or twice every two days out of fear of wasting a KI.
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By minikomby 2016-12-21 16:07:05  
Glassy Gorger:
Not too difficult. Having a rdm or another job capable of dispel is incredibly helpful. Blessing Sync copies all buffs of everyone in range so you only want to buff what is needed. I usually let it copy aggressor and Berserk to make it easier to deal damage to it (and we have an Epeolatry run so berserk doesn't do much of anything to him
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What is the max range for copy buff movefor this NM?
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By Wordspoken 2016-12-21 16:31:06  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
A good idea for the KI issues, even if they do not lower or remove the timegate, would be an Assault tags system. Allow us to automatically stock up on canteens, up to four or five or what have you. That way we could set aside specific days for runs rather than needing to set things up every day or twice every two days out of fear of wasting a KI.
Yeah but...then people stockpile and spam the event and we're back to congestion which is what SE is trying to avoid with this KI system.

That being said, I'd like that system as well. Rather congestion than...this.
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By Asura.Frod 2016-12-21 16:33:10  
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Glassy Gorger:
Not too difficult. Having a rdm or another job capable of dispel is incredibly helpful. Blessing Sync copies all buffs of everyone in range so you only want to buff what is needed. I usually let it copy aggressor and Berserk to make it easier to deal damage to it (and we have an Epeolatry run so berserk doesn't do much of anything to him



What is the max range for copy buff move for this NM?

I learned the hard way (and it's posted on wiki) do not let the geo use dematerialize.

He absorbs everything. Signet/sigil/sanction, food, JAs and ***he doesn't really need. ~any~ buffs on the tank and even the luopan will transfer over.

Thankfully tanking him is fairly easy. Range is probably closer to 10', mages can easily be out of range but still hit tank
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By Asura.Avallon 2016-12-21 16:36:47  
Wordspoken said: »
Sylph.Oraen said: »
A good idea for the KI issues, even if they do not lower or remove the timegate, would be an Assault tags system. Allow us to automatically stock up on canteens, up to four or five or what have you. That way we could set aside specific days for runs rather than needing to set things up every day or twice every two days out of fear of wasting a KI.
Yeah but...then people stockpile and spam the event and we're back to congestion which is what SE is trying to avoid with this KI system.

That being said, I'd like that system as well. Rather congestion than...this.

I have a term I coined simply called "artificial longevity". This just means Omen - at least in its current form - is meant to last anywhere between 6 months to a year or more (in terms of all the beastly gear/accessories being offered and your ability to farm them all).

No, I don't care for "Sorry guys, 10 pages and we're in" but I also wouldn't want to be able to get all this great gear super fast. Actually, I would but that's besides the point. The bottom line is SE is attempting to ensure that we don't get all this overpowered gear too fast too soon.
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2016-12-21 16:57:35  
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
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Regardless, NINs make that NM is a weak biotch - Migwargi ftw!!!

The thing about this is you can't really plan your strategy around any of the specific mid bosses alone since it's completely random. You can take NIN but you might not even get the Thinker. Can NIN survive the damage from the other Promyvion NM's? What about the mega bosses? Can NIN viably tank those? (Serious question, btw)

I've done every mid-boss as ninja and have done Kyou with 4 people. I think it is viable for most of the other bosses as well. That said, I don't think it's necessarily the best job selection for every boss or even the midboss. BRD + SMN seem much simpler for Glassy Thinker. It's not necessarily foolproof though, you only need to do 35k damage while it's readying Pain Sync to be in risky territory even with Earthen Armor + Scherzo.
I was trying to figure that out considering I bring both, with EA and G Horn Schzero without sv what's the % reduction? Also, so you damage it while it's tping or between moves up to 35k with EA and Schzero? So the damage counter starts between tp moves? Sorry for all the questions but I can't stand this guy, pisses me off.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-21 17:02:22  
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Regardless, NINs make that NM is a weak biotch - Migwargi ftw!!!

The thing about this is you can't really plan your strategy around any of the specific mid bosses alone since it's completely random. You can take NIN but you might not even get the Thinker. Can NIN survive the damage from the other Promyvion NM's? What about the mega bosses? Can NIN viably tank those? (Serious question, btw)

I've done every mid-boss as ninja and have done Kyou with 4 people. I think it is viable for most of the other bosses as well. That said, I don't think it's necessarily the best job selection for every boss or even the midboss. BRD + SMN seem much simpler for Glassy Thinker. It's not necessarily foolproof though, you only need to do 35k damage while it's readying Pain Sync to be in risky territory even with Earthen Armor + Scherzo.
I was trying to figure that out considering I bring both, with EA and G Horn Schzero without sv what's the % reduction? Also, so you damage it while it's tping or between moves up to 35k with EA and Schzero? So the damage counter starts between tp moves? Sorry for all the questions but I can't stand this guy, pisses me off.

It's the damage you do to it while it's readying the move. SV doesn't affect Scherzo potency, only duration. You can get 50% on Scherzo (capped skill and +5 from gear) and 45% on Earthen Armor, so 95% total.
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2016-12-21 17:08:47  
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Regardless, NINs make that NM is a weak biotch - Migwargi ftw!!!

The thing about this is you can't really plan your strategy around any of the specific mid bosses alone since it's completely random. You can take NIN but you might not even get the Thinker. Can NIN survive the damage from the other Promyvion NM's? What about the mega bosses? Can NIN viably tank those? (Serious question, btw)

I've done every mid-boss as ninja and have done Kyou with 4 people. I think it is viable for most of the other bosses as well. That said, I don't think it's necessarily the best job selection for every boss or even the midboss. BRD + SMN seem much simpler for Glassy Thinker. It's not necessarily foolproof though, you only need to do 35k damage while it's readying Pain Sync to be in risky territory even with Earthen Armor + Scherzo.
I was trying to figure that out considering I bring both, with EA and G Horn Schzero without sv what's the % reduction? Also, so you damage it while it's tping or between moves up to 35k with EA and Schzero? So the damage counter starts between tp moves? Sorry for all the questions but I can't stand this guy, pisses me off.

It's the damage you do to it while it's readying the move. SV doesn't affect Scherzo potency, only duration. You can get 50% on Scherzo (capped skill and +5 from gear) and 45% on Earthen Armor, so 95% total.
Oh wow so you can do unlimited damage between moves?
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-12-21 17:09:43  
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Omen (2016/12/21)

We thank the players for their feedback on the new battle content. We will be lengthening the time allowed for players to finish goals per your feedback. We’ll work to bring this update to you as quickly as we can, so we hope players can stay patient until then.

Taken from BGs DevTracker topic

Awesome! I'm glad to see action being taken on this. Cheers to no more lost items!

(Hey SE, while you're at it, do you mind increasing the drop rate on the bodies? Thanks!)

I do believe they aren't referring to lengthening the time of the event itself just lengthening the time to complete the bonus objectives. You know when you go to a new floor and you have 90s to do 18 weapon skills (3 per party member) or some other ridiculous task that can't be done in 90s. Biggest reason to farm cards solo or with no more then 3 is to have reasonable objectives to complete.
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By cheg 2016-12-21 17:25:03  
ive killed Fu 4 times sofar setup PLD GEO WHM SMN SMN BST kinda easy BPs and tegmina buffet doing 99k...
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By cheg 2016-12-21 20:02:39  
Fu fifth win PLD GEO WHM SMN SMN BST
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By Fenrir.Tarowyn 2016-12-21 20:44:58  
More an annoyance than anything, but one thing about Kin's special move(s).

He'll do target and then some set amount of time afterwards he'll do 11th dimension which is the 3 minute terror/hate reset. But it seems like if someone else gets hate in between target and 11th dimension, his eyes will stop glowing and he won't do terror anymore.

Started noticing this after we'd do bolster after the first terror wore off and the 2nd terror never came.
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By Odin.Sneakky 2016-12-21 21:07:14  
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I have to laugh at this for one reason only: This happened to me - but with the other SMN earring (Below). I'm a career SMN (also) so believe me when I say my heart sunk deep.



At the end of the day though, it's a piece of virtual pixel and mistakes do happen. You'll have another shot at the earring.

I don't know who you went with when this happen but as much as it sucks, I have to take a guess that the party leader didn't do this intentionally. Chances are he/she is going to feel bad about this happening for a while (regardless of solace from the rest of the party - excluding you).

I agree. While I would feel bad if I had done the same, I wouldn't have laughed at the guy right after I did it. But yes, I acted out of impulse, and am immensely sorry for breaking the forum rules. And for treating Jkun like garbage. He didn't deserve that.

Has anyone tried doing a full PUP run? I feel like a good group of 6 1200 JP PUPs would wreck house.
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By Phoenix.Erics 2016-12-22 00:55:30  
ok so theres almost been enough time passed for people to start making +3s if they win every run and focus on one piece, anyone got details on augmenting, is it real? whats needed?
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2016-12-22 01:03:19  
Goblin tells you the required mats.
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