Jack Of All Trades: A Guide To Red Mage

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 Bahamut.Turambar
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By Bahamut.Turambar 2021-04-14 12:06:48  
I also posted in the endgame gear thread, but cross posting here:

Any word/testing/math on Gleti's Knife as an offhand vs. augmented Ternion?
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By Sylph.Oraen 2021-04-14 14:41:04  
Gleti's is easily the best offhand for CdC. Everything about it works so well for it.

I don't see a particular case for it outside of CdC, given how many great weapons RDM has, but it's definitely the best for that situation.
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By Asura.Bootus 2021-04-19 07:11:30  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
Gleti's is easily the best offhand for CdC. Everything about it works so well for it.

I don't see a particular case for it outside of CdC, given how many great weapons RDM has, but it's definitely the best for that situation.


I assume it's also BiS for offhanding on Evisceration, yes? You know, in those rare cases where you'd actually want to use Evisceration on a RDM.
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By FaeQueenCory 2021-04-19 08:05:46  
Asura.Bootus said: »
Sylph.Oraen said: »
Gleti's is easily the best offhand for CdC. Everything about it works so well for it.

I don't see a particular case for it outside of CdC, given how many great weapons RDM has, but it's definitely the best for that situation.


I assume it's also BiS for offhanding on Evisceration, yes? You know, in those rare cases where you'd actually want to use Evisceration on a RDM.
Yes. Such as that situation ever arises, it would indeed be the best offhand.
(I'm assuming mainhand Tauret? cause if not, Gleti's would be then be the best mainhand... but then.... why?)
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By Asura.Bootus 2021-04-19 10:02:16  
I guess my real question is... Let's assume you have Crocea in the mainhand. What's a better CDC offhand, Almace or Gleti's?
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By FaeQueenCory 2021-04-19 10:09:43  
Asura.Bootus said: »
Let's assume you have Crocea in the mainhand. What's a better CDC offhand, Almace or Gleti's?
My question is: if you have an Almace at 121... why aren't you using that mainhand if you're wanting to do Chant du Cygne? Even without any augments or very low augment level... let alone R15.

Almace+Gleti CdC >>>> either Crocea+Almace or Crocea+Gleti

Cause if you have the time/effort to change out Daybreak from your offhand... why would you also not change the main?
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By Sylph.Oraen 2021-04-19 14:05:30  
My first guess would be for RP farming in Dyna. There could hypothetically be a situation where the enspell damage boost would outweigh Almace's Aftermath and higher CDC damage, but nothing springs to mind, so I'd have to guess RP farming.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2021-04-19 15:19:22  
Weird question.. what is a 121 Almace? is that Almace III? or is that Almace R15?
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By Foxfire 2021-04-19 15:42:43  
121 is what fae calls 119-3.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2021-04-19 17:28:17  
ok, just making sure, why 121 though... 119 + 3 = 122.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2021-04-19 17:54:32  
Probably just third stage of 119

119 (1)
"120" (2)
"121" (3)
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By Foxfire 2021-04-19 17:57:39  
119 = 119
119-2 = second 119 step(ag, +1) = 120
119-3 = third 119 step(269 skill, +2) = 121

or so the reasoning was iirc.
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By Sillex 2021-05-02 05:45:56  
hello been working on rdm wondering if anyone could post a savage blade set please and thank you in advance
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By Asura.Geriond 2021-05-02 08:38:19  
Foxfire said: »
119 = 119
119-2 = second 119 step(ag, +1) = 120
119-3 = third 119 step(269 skill, +2) = 121

or so the reasoning was iirc.
The reasoning was actually based on the combat skill. The usual pattern was (with a few exceptions):

117 = 215 combat skill
118 = 228 combat skill
119 = 242 combat skill

So by that pattern, 120 would give ~255 combat skill and 121 would give ~269 combat skill, making the 119-3 weapons the equivalent of ilvl 121 weapons.
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By drakefs 2021-05-02 18:29:17  
Sillex said: »
hello been working on rdm wondering if anyone could post a savage blade set please and thank you in advance

ItemSet 379632
  • Thibron augmented 1k TP Bonus

  • JSE Cape augmented STR, ATK and WSD

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By Taint 2021-05-02 18:36:10  
Bunzi feet?
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2021-05-02 18:46:48  
Taint said: »
Bunzi feet?

yeah I'd opt for Jhakri+2 or Vitiation+3(relic) until Nyame path B has at least 4WSD. I have the Bunzi feet, but I only really see them as an idle or +regen piece (if you're willing to give up duration on empy+1 feet for potency).

I'd also consider Atrophy+3(artifact) or jhakri+2 hands for some more +WSD with respectable base stats.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2021-05-02 19:25:53  
drakefs said: »
Sillex said: »
hello been working on rdm wondering if anyone could post a savage blade set please and thank you in advance

ItemSet 379632
  • Thibron augmented 1k TP Bonus

  • JSE Cape augmented STR, ATK and WSD


Is Fotia neck really better than using R25 Duelist's Torque+2?
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By drakefs 2021-05-02 20:29:33  
Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
Is Fotia neck really better than using R25 Duelist's Torque+2?

I just do not see 15 MND beating out .1 fTP (10% WSD). I did not math it out however, just posted what I use + what I want.
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By Taint 2021-05-02 20:38:08  
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Savage_Blade

Fotia is just 0.1 additive to http://FTP. At 1000tp (no tib or moonshade etc). That 4.0 becomes 4.1 with Fotia. Simply put fotia is bad in your setup.
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By drakefs 2021-05-02 20:43:46  
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
Taint said: »
Bunzi feet?

yeah I'd opt for Jhakri+2 or Vitiation+3(relic) until Nyame path B has at least 4WSD. I have the Bunzi feet, but I only really see them as an idle or +regen piece (if you're willing to give up duration on empy+1 feet for potency).

I'd also consider Atrophy+3(artifact) or jhakri+2 hands for some more +WSD with respectable base stats.


Yeah should be Jhakri Feet (fixed), Jhakri Hands are only 1% more WSD with weaker stats overall. Didn't Realize I used Relic hands... swapped to AF (fixed).

Taint said: »
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Savage_Blade

Fotia is just 0.1 additive to http://FTP. At 1000tp (no tib or moonshade etc). That 4.0 becomes 4.1 with Fotia. Simply put fotia is bad in your setup.

You should not be using Savage Blade @ 1k tp. My setup has a Thib and moonshade...

It was my understanding, that while the Sailfi Belt +1 wins out for Savage Blade, it was not overwhelmingly better. So a neck with just 15 mnd and no attack beating the Fotia Gorget seems unlikely to me. I could be wrong.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2021-05-03 01:26:19  
Fotia is even worse at higher effective TP values because it's a relatively smaller overall damage increase for weaponskills that don't replicate fTP or have a low base fTP value.
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By Taint 2021-05-03 05:35:31  
I used 1000tp as an example to keep it simple since your basic understanding of how Fotia worked was flawed. (Many players make the same mistake). As TP goes up the value of Fotia goes from bad to worse for WSs like Savage that scale rapidly with TP.
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By Asura.Kaelann 2021-05-04 14:49:21  
Since another Dark Matter campaign is coming up, what's the best use of that on RDM? 10WSD legs and feet?
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By Asura.Wotasu 2021-05-04 15:03:19  
Asura.Kaelann said: »
Since another Dark Matter campaign is coming up, what's the best use of that on RDM? 10WSD legs and feet?
Phalanx+5 as well
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By FaeQueenCory 2021-05-05 10:16:51  
Asura.Wotasu said: »
Asura.Kaelann said: »
Since another Dark Matter campaign is coming up, what's the best use of that on RDM? 10WSD legs and feet?
Phalanx+5 as well
Seconding Phalanx+.

Now that Nyame exists, I wouldn't really bother with trying to get the WSdmg.
Nyame offers you higher stats (generally), a lot more attack than RDM ever gets used to, all with more accuracy than you're likely to see on Merlinic/Chironic via dark matter, and the A/C/D paths are all either devalued by other (easier to get) sets doing the same thing and/or better (A+C) or are just not that good (D).

There's also a case to be made for hand/legs/feet Refresh+2... but with where RDM is now, the Phalanx will likely be more useful to you overall. So I'd prioritize that.
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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2021-05-05 14:56:23  
I personally don't really see the point in trying to build a +phalanx set for RDM between all the duration and potency you lose in the process. Inventory space is premium enough as is, I'm not keen to lose 5 more slots for a net gain of ~+10 to my phalanx set at the cost of like 40% duration.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2021-05-05 15:00:46  
Ragnarok.Lowen said: »
I personally don't really see the point in trying to build a +phalanx set for RDM between all the duration and potency you lose in the process. Inventory space is premium enough as is, I'm not keen to lose 5 more slots for a net gain of ~+10 to my phalanx set at the cost of like 40% duration.

I just got on RDM and cast phalanx on myself, it lasts for 24min. I think I can handle it only lasting 12min if it's 30% more effective.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2021-05-05 15:08:07  
Even if you don't want to go after DM augments for phalanx+, alluvion skirmish pieces can get +3. Phalanx+ is a big deal. You still get tons of duration + from neck, shield, cape, waist. And you get an extra 15-25 flat HP reduced from armor. That means phalanx would reduce damage taken by 50-60 damage per hit. instead of 35.
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By Cerberus.Nolatari 2021-05-05 15:44:38  
If you maximize casting can cap around 65 single wield, 67 with dual wield if you change swords to sakpata's and egeking.
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