The Great Debate 2

I lost my post, the moments over :(

I basically said that marriage is a commodity owned by the churches and that same-sex marriages will never happen because the churches would need to deny what's in the bible to allow them which will cause a ***storm. The churches hold control and power of a lot of the western world and as such the government can't go up against their beliefs.

That said, to me marriages have lost their meaning, it should be about the union between two people through love and respect, not about gaining financial advantage which has always been the case (see historical marriages to benefit the families land holdings/assets).

I don't agree in same-sex marriages because a couple shouldn't put themselves under a belief system that denies what they are. De facto relationships are as far as it will go until marriages are taken away from the church.

That'll do, not as good as I would like it but that will do.

Hey at least there trying!!! Also I meant until 2 people of same sex can have babies that are from both there genes... yes were getting there and could technically probably do it but meh.

*Braces himself*

The bible says on gay marriage:

"And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,'"
—Matthew 19:4

He made Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam!

Flame GO!

Younger, I have no problem with. Multiple is just a benefits type deal to me.

Has anyone conducted a scientific study on this? lol cause from my limited experience its split inn half just like a Hetero family...some good some bad.

cause thats a couple.

Will do it next time thanks ^^

OH SNAP

On Yakuta's point of reproducing, fair point, but think of the fact that those gay people are not going to reproduce anyway, so its not like it makes our numbers go down, because they actually pay women(or buy sperm) to house their children, so its not as if they are hurting our numbers.

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I mean I completely whiffed there, that wasn't what he said, but I do agree on that is what marriage is for, so meh.

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And I also agree on the point of being called a partnership as long as they are offered the same rights.

You mean like http://malepregnancy.com/ ? XD

I dont see the point though anyways, we're far from being extinct, and in some places have severe overpopulation. Then there are hundreds and thousands of children who are familyless, and forced to be raised up in an orphanage, etc. So I don't see why they shouldn't have the chance to be raised by a loving couple (even if they are gay.)
-- I know a few ppl who have been raised by homosexual parents, so come from a sort of 'biased' background, but when it comes down to it... I'd rather see a child raised by 2 men, than stuck in a cold orphanage with hundreds of other children, and no real parental love

Raising a family can be done by anyone, don't even need a partner to do so, it can be done alone. I see no reason why being able to raise a child should be considered on par with the ability to create a being 'with your partner'.

Now should a couple have legal rights taken away b/c they cannot reproduce together? Imo no, but it's still not the same as in a non-legal sense.

When one parent leave the family through whatever reason, death, personal reasons etc that leaves a single parent. If a single parent can raise a child surely two single parents can?

"Now should a couple have legal rights taken away b/c they cannot reproduce together? Imo no, but it's still not the same as in a non-legal sense."

And besides its not like if someone says gays can't get married that they are suddenly going to start fking the opposite sex just to reproduce

two gay people can raise a family just as well as a man and a woman. hell...how many of YOU guys are all *** up and had a female and a male as parents? parenting skills have nothing to do with being gay or straight. most people can't parent period.

also <3 you guys for the delicious QQ much better thank you!

I wouldn't know my mom was defective and my dad worked too much

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pubs/experiments.php
it doesnt mean its good.

i dunno if that was sarcasm or not...

Exactly ^


I don't understand your point here. There are single parents that have raised children better than homo/hetero couples. Your sexuality has nothing to do with your ability to raise a child.

Wow. sorry I just readed to page 3.


I'm tired of hearing this. This doesn't make sense at all. If same-sex marriage is allowed, then YOU COULD. That doesn't mean you will. But you will have the SAME RIGHT to do so. It's not like your sexuality is in your driver's license.



Actually yes. I recall a case where a Guy's partner died and left everything to him in his will but the family went to court so he couldn't get anything. And since the state did not recognize them as Partners so to speak, he didn't get nothing.



We aren't a religion. There is gay church (not the Gym, the real church) and they praise the Lord as any other church. Again is more a for a legal consent, and protect each other legally.



You just need to watch History repeating itself. Wasn't the african american community stigmatize not so long ago? Calling it Impure and all that crap? Took hundreds of years for it to stop, and I truly don't think it hasn't stopped. Same will happen with gay people. At some point in the future the next generation will see how stupid some people were. Also on your next point, I at some point though that nature itself is making more gay people to control ourselves. Its a fact that this world is overpopulated.

I would like to add too that things like THIS makes me angry. Why don't those who opposed follow this two? WHERE IS THE SO CALLED SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE HERE?. Also, I'm tired of hearing "Well if same-sex marriage is allowed then next people will marry animals". This is STUPID. Beware of other things that STRAIGHT people are doing like THIS:



to finish:

ZOMG SLOW DOWN PEOPLE! By the time I posted from reading up to page 2 here we are on 5 already! Most of it derailing though, even talk about marijuana, lol!


Damn! Sounded like what I was going to do. Bash the idea of marriage itself, since it was created by churches.

But then I was going to throw in some stuff about how through theory of evolution, most species on the planet, including humans, aren't monogamous. Monogamy is something derived from way back in the day to help the churches keep tabs on people.

And now it's about government using the churches methods to continue their grip on people's lives for the money, blah, blah... I haven't finished it yet, lol!

Doesn't mean that a family with straight parents results in a stable household either, just saying.

So we agree everyone sucks?

that is what i am saying. i was referring to an earlier post implying that a gay couple can't be a family.

I think that depends on what they're sucking...

They can be a family, because a family is a group that is related that shows love to one another and is there for each other, since when can gay people not do that?

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This of course requires having a child.

Ah, my bad.. a lot of post spamming so I might have missed a post or 2 here and there.

Edit: I'm kinda creeped out atm, my information just popped back for no apparent reason.. I'm not even currently using this char/server again/yet.

Everyone has the opportunity to suck in equal amounts.

ugh. i am pro gays being a family -.- ludoggy is not. please stop PMing me and flaming me.

nooo...I'm the band wagoner...I'm pro gay marriage now since the majority of the boards are ;p
but really people are pming and flaming you? wtf? >.>

Whats going on?

yeah apparently they thought i was against gays being a family. -.-; i'm not i was trying to agrue for it but someone read wrong and got all butt hurt.

moar QQ plz kthx

edit: BOOBIES. sry got distracted...those are distracting even for a female. you should take the boobies down before conversation leans more towards lesbian sex or something.